• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:46
CEST 13:46
KST 20:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options?
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2477 users

[T] The Reality of Progaming - Page 13

Forum Index > BW General
251 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
May 25 2010 01:37 GMT
#241
Thanks for the translation! I've been aware of this ever since I got into eSports when I was a competitive CS 1.6 and semi-WC3/SC player. Sadly, there are so many people in the world who still believe the whole "Korean progamers are treated like rock stars while making 6 digit salaries!" What they do not know is that those are only the top ranked players who manage to win MSL/OSL titles.

I'll admit that one point in my life (around 8th grade - freshmen year) I wanted to be a progamer in either CS or WC3 (I Played SC since I was in 6th grade, but it was mainly money maps and I didn't appreciate the game until later on), but then I realized that it was nothing but a dream since I've heard stories of CS 1.6 pros dropping out of high school (I.E. ShaGuar) to play a game and getting paid very little. They eventually retired from the game and no one has heard from them since, but only few remain to be apart of the scene whether they are a team manager or commentator.

I think that all inspiring players should read this article and rethink if all the time they have put into the game is worth it or not. I'm not trying to tell people to stop playing because I respect other peoples' choices. It's best to rethink the plan because you absolutely regret it.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 25 2010 03:35 GMT
#242
What I'm curious about are the salaries of commentators in particular. The comments in this thread hinted at OGN and MBC raking in the vast majority of the profits (lol "profits"). Are those earnings redistributed in some way for the commentators?
#TeamBuLba
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
May 25 2010 06:40 GMT
#243
Guess the people calling KespA "the voice of the players" or "the good guys" can stfu up
I
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
May 25 2010 07:08 GMT
#244
On May 24 2010 16:02 Phrujbaz wrote:
Why do so many people want to become a progamer? What is so awful about ordinary life? Perhaps the ridiculous school hours in Korea play a role here. Maybe we need to put minimum wage into effect for those hours too.

Why do so many people want to lead an ordinary life... What's so awful in being a PROGAMER?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
May 25 2010 10:16 GMT
#245
i remember seeing pictures of someones visit to a team house. had like 4-6+ bunk beds in a room. its really a different image now that i read this article. and its quite sad that only a few reap the rewards and some many others get shafted.

a players union wouldve been great, but now its probably too little too late
oodug
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9 Posts
May 25 2010 17:07 GMT
#246
Wow. Thanks for the translation. Certainly some food for thought about the SK scene.
I like to play.
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
May 25 2010 18:00 GMT
#247
Wow, I didn't know Blizzard wasn't cooperating with kespa. I'm starting to think Blizzard isn't the company it once was.
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
May 26 2010 00:10 GMT
#248
On May 26 2010 03:00 hejakev wrote:
Wow, I didn't know Blizzard wasn't cooperating with kespa. I'm starting to think Blizzard isn't the company it once was.

sounds more like kespa isnt cooperating with blizzard
FiRewater
Profile Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
May 26 2010 16:48 GMT
#249
hejakev, Simple nailed it on the head. Blizzard has been in talks with Kespa forever without the slighest change from Kespa, they've had enough. Even though there are NFL teams and that's what the fans are watching, the NFL is still making a large sum of money since it's there league. Blizzard created the game and should ultimately have some say.
Tidesson
Profile Joined April 2010
55 Posts
May 28 2010 15:29 GMT
#250
"The adults are making profits out of the children's passion."

You can basically sum everything up with that line. Videogame industry has always been like that. And sadly, I don't think it will ever change. But I have hopes that somewhere in the future someone like Boxer or any of the other known pros lead some kind of "revolution" and refuse to live under those conditions, so law is changed in some way that allows them to lead normal lives.
Bobby Kotick: from now on, this company shall be called BeLizard. Derp derp.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 09:46:47
June 01 2010 09:42 GMT
#251
Despite this excellent article, there will still be people defending KeSPA and belittling this article. LOL. Even Boxer hinting at the problem is not enough to convince some people.

Corporations are in it to keep eSports alive? Hahahahahahah.. CORPORATIONS ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY! Money can come in many forms. It doesn't need direct sales such as tickets. If Starcraft progaming TV cease to exist next week, it wouldn't matter at all. Why? Because there is a demand for Starcraft. If OSL, MSL suddenly died, it wouldn't matter. There will be other leagues that will take its place. KeSPA cease to exist tomorrow? Again, no problem.

Anyone ever notice how most of all E-Stro players look like crap, as though they have not slept for months? Progamers do not have to be treated as slaves inorder for eSports to be successful. It's only the corporations telling people that. If progaming was to reboot with better conditions for their players, eSports will not die. Why should it when there is a healthy demand for it. And for the corporation saying "players are better off being young for talent," it is basically saying "we don't want our players worrying about a life, military service, and university degree." Corporations don't want their players doing anything that isn't related to programing. They do not want players old enough to think for themselves.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Wolfpox
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada164 Posts
June 06 2010 11:16 GMT
#252
What a sad article. I figured this must be something like how it works, but hopefully Blizzard can do something with GomTV and turn things around, if Blizzard doesn't want it to reflect on them. After all, if they want to suddenly have control, that means they have some responsibility.
[B] Butigroove wrote:[/B] Blizzard is double expanding to the natural gold base of our poor little nerd hearts.
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:00
INu's Battles#15
Classic vs ByuN
SHIN vs ByuN
IntoTheiNu 559
LiquipediaDiscussion
Escore
10:00
Week 5
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
09:00
PiGosaur Cup #72
CranKy Ducklings170
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko361
ProTech141
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20680
Calm 4572
Sea 3198
firebathero 571
Mini 485
Shuttle 317
Leta 296
BeSt 281
actioN 277
EffOrt 249
[ Show more ]
Zeus 234
Light 208
Hyuk 165
Soma 125
Larva 112
ggaemo 99
Hyun 98
Snow 95
Killer 81
hero 76
ZerO 75
Pusan 72
ToSsGirL 67
Rush 63
Hm[arnc] 59
[sc1f]eonzerg 44
Backho 41
Sharp 35
Free 28
sSak 27
Sexy 25
yabsab 24
zelot 18
Sea.KH 18
Shinee 16
Shine 16
GoRush 15
scan(afreeca) 14
910 14
Terrorterran 13
sorry 12
IntoTheRainbow 12
soO 11
JulyZerg 10
Barracks 10
SilentControl 8
Sacsri 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
resolut1ontv 1573
monkeys_forever258
XcaliburYe256
Other Games
singsing2014
B2W.Neo590
crisheroes247
Happy224
NeuroSwarm72
MindelVK17
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream132
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 78
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP38
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco3164
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1834
• TFBlade1356
• Stunt537
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 15m
Big Brain Bouts
4h 15m
Replay Cast
12h 15m
Replay Cast
21h 15m
RSL Revival
22h 15m
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
23h 15m
IPSL
1d 4h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
4 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
5 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-29
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.