EPTWho Might Stop Flash in OSL? - Page 7
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On April 25 2010 17:13 konadora wrote: Honestly speaking, I have to say it's Baby. The rest are pretty garbage against Terran, much less against Flash. completely agree here. I was thinking about making a post about how baby was flash's biggest threat to winning both leagues but I was too lazy. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
On April 26 2010 04:24 stormguy85 wrote: I love how absolutely no one in the six pages has really given Effort a chance at beating flash. We have not seen Effort's BoX play this year at all. We have no idea how much he can step his game up when it really matters. If he can get back to his previous form, he is the only person who really stands a shot. But from what we actually know of player's ability to perform in BoX sets, Zero and Kal are the only real contenders. Dude. Effort won only 3 ZvTs this year. And they were all against Gogo. He also lost to Gogo 3 times. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On April 26 2010 09:25 dani_caliKorea wrote: Dude. Effort won only 3 ZvTs this year. And they were all against Gogo. He also lost to Gogo 3 times. Yeah those 4 rounds of tiebreakers didn't make any of them look good. | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On April 26 2010 09:12 Vivi57 wrote: completely agree here. I was thinking about making a post about how baby was flash's biggest threat to winning both leagues but I was too lazy. Except while Baby did put up a good fight, he then subsequently lost 2-0 to MVP, hardly the TvT virtuoso that Flash is. Both Kal and ZerO have stronger vT's than either Baby or ForGG. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
On April 25 2010 20:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: Baby is a fantastic player, but his TvT is his weakest matchup. On the other hand, Flash's TvT is probably his best. I agree that Baby is the best player out of Flash opponents in terms of skills, but I don't see him winning a TvT BoX versus Flash at all... Baby goes on a good run for a couple of months and he's the best player out of this group? Over Kal? Over Zero? Effort has been on a run as good (clarification - I mean in the past, not currently) as Baby's and now people are discounting him entirely. People are far too quick to hype a player when they're on a good run. Hell, he just lost to MVP in a TvT and MVP is no one's idea of a TvT expert. | ||
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NiGoL
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
Flash is really good in Bo5s is in both leagues, so I think in a potential kal-flash OSL finals Kal will at least have the practice advantage. I think he definitely is capable of beating flash (fanboyish aside  ), but flash is VERY good in Bo5s (outside of his VERY goodness in everything else lol). Kal definitely has the best shot at winning the OSL after flash. | ||
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Tapioca Weasel
81 Posts
That or something new has to come to the game, and for that reason i think Zero is slightly more likely of a contender, unless Forgg has seen a weakness in practice that we don't know about. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
other than that.. maybe baby if he lucks out 3 games.. lol | ||
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lyhb
Canada208 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
None of the remaining players are anywhere near good enough to have that said about them. Kal is good but it's not like practicing with Stork or something isn't a good representative of Kal's skill. Same thing goes for Zero, and everyone else, with the possible exception of Effort if he turns it back on somehow (like in 09 when he displayed absolutely amazing late game ZvT). Conversely, it's impossible to prepare for Flash. No other Terran is within 3 leagues of his abilities, and when you face a guy who simply has 20% more stuff at all times, and makes the right decision in 98% of situations instead of in 80% of situations, there's no way your practice partners can prepare you for that. The decision making thing is the hardest part to simulate in practice - even team melee players probably can't simulate that. So when you face him, it's almost like you didn't practice at all, unless you cheese him hard but then he's also seemingly uncheesable, so what can you do? | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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phaleos
Australia105 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On April 26 2010 10:19 Jaksiel wrote: Baby goes on a good run for a couple of months and he's the best player out of this group? Over Kal? Over Zero? Effort has been on a run as good (clarification - I mean in the past, not currently) as Baby's and now people are discounting him entirely. People are far too quick to hype a player when they're on a good run. Hell, he just lost to MVP in a TvT and MVP is no one's idea of a TvT expert. ok. Lets make you practice 12-14 hours of SC a day, plus go to school, AND play a demanding game vs Flash, then lets see if you win vs MVP. This is the first time baby has made it into both leagues and I'm sure the extra work load is taking its toll on him. it all came down to MVP being more fresh than baby in their game and being able to execute his build better because of it. BaBy is the real deal. He just needs more time to get used to the attention and the workload and I'm sure he'll be one of the next best terrans if he already isn't the second best. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 26 2010 14:19 darktreb wrote: Conversely, it's impossible to prepare for Flash. No other Terran is within 3 leagues of his abilities, and when you face a guy who simply has 20% more stuff at all times, and makes the right decision in 98% of situations instead of in 80% of situations, there's no way your practice partners can prepare you for that. The decision making thing is the hardest part to simulate in practice - even team melee players probably can't simulate that. So when you face him, it's almost like you didn't practice at all, unless you cheese him hard but then he's also seemingly uncheesable, so what can you do? Perhaps let the practice partners play with operation cwal + black sheep wall? | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
On April 26 2010 17:40 Shotcoder wrote: ok. Lets make you practice 12-14 hours of SC a day, plus go to school, AND play a demanding game vs Flash, then lets see if you win vs MVP. This is the first time baby has made it into both leagues and I'm sure the extra work load is taking its toll on him. it all came down to MVP being more fresh than baby in their game and being able to execute his build better because of it. BaBy is the real deal. He just needs more time to get used to the attention and the workload and I'm sure he'll be one of the next best terrans if he already isn't the second best. Moot point. He knows his schedule, and know what he's up against being so deep in both leagues. And the way he lost to MVP was frankly quite embarrassing. Time will tell if BaBy IS the real deal and IMO he isn't close to being the second best terran. That said, I'm quite a fan of his myself and I'm sure he'll shape up to be quite a player. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
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