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While reading the Ro8 OSL thread i realized that none of the remaining players other then flash ever dominated nearly as hard. Logically I started wondering about who has the highest chance of stopping Flash.
Dont get me wrong, Flash is my favorite player because I like consistent players who dominates. I am not raising this thread to say who is better (he's straight out the player with the most momentum atm). I still have a childish dream for someone to get a platinum mouse (XDXD u bet sc tourneys will keep going when sc2 comes out!)
Poll!
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Who has the highest chance of stopping Flash in OSL?Kal [P, mad tall?] (135) 32% Baby [T, Royal Roader Candidate] (123) 29% Zero [Z, Queen of Zergs] (77) 18% Movie [P, looking for revenge] (25) 6% Effort [Z, Alien working out of slump] (25) 6% Pure [P, strong momentum] (17) 4% ForGG [T, Ape timing] (17) 4% 419 total votes Your vote: Who has the highest chance of stopping Flash in OSL? (Vote): Baby [T, Royal Roader Candidate]
(Vote): Movie [P, looking for revenge]
(Vote): Pure [P, strong momentum]
(Vote): Zero [Z, Queen of Zergs]
(Vote): Effort [Z, Alien working out of slump]
(Vote): ForGG [T, Ape timing]
(Vote): Kal [P, mad tall?]
Updated Poll! (Ro4 spoiler!)
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Who has the highest chance of stopping Flash in OSL?Kal (why dont i like him) (37) 55% Effort (alien come back?) (20) 30% Pure (ew) (10) 15% 67 total votes Your vote: Who has the highest chance of stopping Flash in OSL? (Vote): Pure (ew)
(Vote): Effort (alien come back?)
(Vote): Kal (why dont i like him)
My own personal opinion: (Ro8)
+ Show Spoiler +1. ForGG: Assuming he can get his way from beating Kal (which is quite a test since Kal's overall strong) and then Ro4, he probably has appropriate timing and non-mechanical skills to beat Flash. Yes, Flash is the best at defense, but I feel like being a Teammate will really help for the more creative one (remember arena msl?).
2. Baby: If anyone's gona stop Flash at one point in the OSL, it is the best time to do it ASAP. Bo3 > Bo5 since Flash is clearly the most consistent atm, and the greatest enemy to consistent players with momentum is underestimating opponents before the last stage of the tournament (think how many good players are eliminated at Ro8 for the past leagues). In addition, Baby's royal roader strength may carry him through, and in TvT a strong mental will is gona help a ton.
3. Zero/Kal: Flash's recent wins and past league wins made me think that matchup really makes no more difference to him anymore. My first 2 bets are on players who can use creativity in a mechanical matchup to have a slight chance of winning, so my 3rd bets (and 4th...) goes to players are are decently consistent. Since these two players will only play Flash in Bo5s, we can only hope that their consistency on the day might just turn out better.
Overall, I'd be mad disappointed if Pure came anywhere close to a title.
Updated Opinions (Ro4)
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I bet all my money zerg. which is effort.
I still can't convince myself that pure is "good". he win his games but none in a spectacular "game sense" sort of way. and being flash's next opponent is simply gona give flash tvp practice.
which then flash will use to annihilate kal with assuming kal gets past effort. which to me is very unlikely (cj zvp)
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I think you're kidding yourself with fOrGG, and ZerO is the only player to get my vote. Don't think any of the others stand a significant chance.
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i really hope flash gets this osl so he'll be a golden mouse winner too
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Baby has the best chance because he's running so hot right now but even then it's a very slim chance because of his lack of experience.
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On April 23 2010 16:01 deL wrote:
I think you're kidding yourself with fOrGG, and ZerO is the only player to get my vote. Don't think any of the others stand a significant chance.
fOrGG only because he plays crazy and he's flash's teammate. but i do agree im kidding myself with him because it's kinda ridiculous just to see him beat kal and then ro4
I like and agree with Zero but, he just clutch fails so often T.T (think of ace games and previous league efforts) but once again I like his Zerg style alot!
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On April 23 2010 16:07 JMave wrote:
i really hope flash gets this osl so he'll be a golden mouse winner too
THINK PLATINUM! JUST THINK IT
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ForGG regularly gets owned in practice by Flash. He won't really stand a chance. His mechanical skills are also either on par with or below those of the likes of Kal and ZerO. Up against, Flash, I would put him as actually the least likely to win (out of the choices you presented).
The only real contenders IMO are ZerO and Kal. Kal, albeit losing every single recent game against Flash, did look fairly solid in all of them, dragging most, if not all to the late game against Flash. His decision making is sharp and his mechanics rarely fail him. Based upon their recent history, I would say that Kal is the closet to Flash's level right now. This doesn't say much as I would still put Flash as a favorite over Kal in a Bo5 by a wide margin (at least 70:30), but he comes the closest I would say.
The next man (or queen as the case may be) I would put money on is ZerO. He's been displaying rock solid ZvT as of late and his losses recently have been to good players. One can't forget however his 1-2 loss vs Flash in the last MSL Ro8. Hyun might have been the Zerg to stop Flash's monstrous TvZ streak, but ZerO was the first to CRUSH Flash in a ZvT--remember, Flash's TvZ had been up to that point (and arguably still is) untouchable. Set 2 of that series showed ZerO just rolling through Flash and the other sets that he lost all went to the late-game where he went down fighting and kicking.
Sure you might argue that ZerO isn't experienced in the big stage yet and can choke occasionally, but I'm sure he's been learning plenty from his mistakes. If we have his record to go by, ZerO is a player that learns extremely fast; from going from bottom of the barrel C-Class Zerg player two years ago to the top 3 Zergs that he is right now (ZerO to HerO anyone?) I'm sure that he can take at least a game away from Flash in a Bo5.
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I don't see forgg beating Kal.
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Savior didnt win every league he played in. Oov didnt win every league he played in. Nada didn't win every league he played in. Boxer/Bisu/Jaedong did not win every league they played in.
Upsets happen and are part of the game. That's why Flash has a 71% winrate and not a 80-90% winrate, and same goes for the above. Remember when Savior fell to Bisu, remember when Bisu fell to Mind and Fantasy in Batoo, remember when Jaedong lost to ForGG and lost to Calm. You shouldn't underestimate anyone at this stage of the tournament, and Baby is reminiscent of the old Flash, if he pulls off some sick cheese he might have a chance of taking this. Zero/Kal have the best chances to beat Flash, but they need to step up their game in order to do so.
No, ForGG stands no chance of beating Flash at all.
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Seriously only Movie can, mainly because Movies macro is almost as good as Flashs. Also Movie has good game management. His mechanics and decision making need to improve in PvT though. But in Flash's current form, I can't imagine Movie beating Flash.
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the only thing that can defeat flash is the schedule, not being able to prepare for MSL AND OSL, so he might drop one.
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Analyzing Flash, we can see that his vP is his worst matchup, and that it pretty much is at a meh 70% all-time. However, I can't see Pure or Kal (lol poor guy) beating Flash, and Movie got raped pretty badly the last time round.
His second worst matchup is his vZ. However, Effort can only beat Flash if he receives help from his species. Zero... is awesome but I don't see him standing a chance, he seems to love surprising opponents with creative strategies, but Flash only ever looks surprised when his face twitches by accident.
We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.
Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.
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If movie can bring with him the games he brought in the last final against Flash, i would not be suprise if he takes Flash down.
Baby is the strongest contender right now.
The rest Flash can kill ezpz
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On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:
We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.
Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.
I didn't know you map imba exists in mirror matchups.
And just saying, if TvT is Flash's third weakest matchup, would that not make that, you know, his strongest matchup?
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Baby is going down today and the rest...? I just can't see Flash losing a Bo5 to any of them. Drop a game? Maybe. Drop two games? Unlikely. But actually losing a Bo5? No way.
Imho the only possibility of stopping Flash is if Baby tries something very cheesy and/or all-inish today and gets very very lucky.
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On April 23 2010 15:56 Lozzo.cu wrote:
Overall, I'd be mad disappointed if Pure came anywhere close to a title.
Why? People bitched about Movie in the last OSL, and then when the final rolled around he brought with him some AMAZING games onto the stage.
Just saying, when those people who put amazing dedication toward what they're doing are offered a once-a-lifetime chance to prove that they're the best at what they do, they tend to take it up with a tad bit more resolution than they normally have.
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Dude... All of Flash's matchups are fucking ridiculous. To say he's weakest in TvP is sort of a meaningless statement... Given his consistency, the only significant factor is his opponent.
NO WAY Baby takes this from Flash, from the way Baby threw away his game to MvP last week... Any of the other players, I'm sure, can offer Flash a decent challenge--not enough to win it--but enough to take a game. GO GO!
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On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:
Analyzing Flash, we can see that his vP is his worst matchup, and that it pretty much is at a meh 70% all-time. However, I can't see Pure or Kal (lol poor guy) beating Flash, and Movie got raped pretty badly the last time round.
His second worst matchup is his vZ. However, Effort can only beat Flash if he receives help from his species. Zero... is awesome but I don't see him standing a chance, he seems to love surprising opponents with creative strategies, but Flash only ever looks surprised when his face twitches by accident.
We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.
Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.
Hilarious. Great post.
Anyway, I'd say that BaBy or ZerO has the best chance to beat Flash.
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On April 23 2010 16:43 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:
We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.
Conclusion: Baby or Forgg. I didn't know you map imba exists in mirror matchups. And just saying, if TvT is Flash's third weakest matchup, would that not make that, you know, his strongest matchup?
Romanian immigrant?
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Honestly, this whole OSL and MSL has just turned into a big game of "Who can stop Flash?" I think that as long as someone beats him, they'll be just as respected as the eventual winner no matter who it is.
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