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Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 08:41:31
April 23 2010 08:40 GMT
#21
Its hard to say really. A lot of people are saying Kal but I think any protoss playing Flash may as well proxy gateway every single game since its a futile effort. After he made Best cry in the MSL, he's achieved a 90% win rate in the matchup, which is fucking insane.

Personally I think a terran or zerg has the best chance of beating Flash. Zero and Baby got to play like GGPlay and Nada though, which is definitely possible, but I don't see it happening considering Baby's lack of experience and Zero's ability to always lose when it actually counts (like every ace match, Movie, Flash, etc).
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
April 23 2010 08:41 GMT
#22
Did someone say power outage?
Oh wait, this is the OSL, nevermind

but seriously, Flash has a 70% winrate in all mu's when he's at his worst. Think about that. That means if you play Flash in a bo10, and go 3-7m you're playing damn well, probably top 10 in the world well. Given this stat, nobody can really stop FlaSh, because a) if your top 10, he will 3-2 you, regardless of race, regardless of what you do or how well you play, and b) nobody left in this OSL is really at that level right now, in my opinion ( which I might add is probably skewed by how high FlaSh has raised the bar.)

but ya, if Flash doesn't win this OSL, that's a huge upset in my mind.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8128 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 08:45:24
April 23 2010 08:43 GMT
#23
Hum... The way you are using statistic is not very hortodox

I don't see anybody winning againt Flash in this league. If someone has to do it, it would certainly be Baby who won quite a few TvT against him in the last months.

EDIT: I'm saying bs, Baby won against JD not against Flash. Oh well. Baby is cooked too then.
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
April 23 2010 08:59 GMT
#24
There should be a new title, "who should be second place?"
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 09:10:50
April 23 2010 09:10 GMT
#25
Himself. At the level he's playing at, it'll take a self-implosion to stop him. I don't foresee anyone playing out of their minds and defeating Flash unless Flash decides to be dumb and do some dumb shit like 14 CC every damn game or something of that sort.

But hey, things happen.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
April 23 2010 09:11 GMT
#26
Zero is the closest skillwise to Flash .
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
April 23 2010 09:19 GMT
#27
Wheres the no one option?
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
April 23 2010 09:22 GMT
#28
On April 23 2010 17:22 Wings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 16:43 O-ops wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:

We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.

Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.


I didn't know you map imba exists in mirror matchups.

And just saying, if TvT is Flash's third weakest matchup, would that not make that, you know, his strongest matchup?


Romanian immigrant?


Romanian native?
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
April 23 2010 09:23 GMT
#29
I can't find power outage anywhere.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 23 2010 09:26 GMT
#30
Nobody. Though Baby and Kal have the best shot imo.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 09:44:46
April 23 2010 09:40 GMT
#31
On April 23 2010 18:22 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 17:22 Wings wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:43 O-ops wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:

We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.

Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.


I didn't know you map imba exists in mirror matchups.

And just saying, if TvT is Flash's third weakest matchup, would that not make that, you know, his strongest matchup?


Romanian immigrant?


Romanian native?


Edit: must be to say that TvP is Flash's weakest matchup currently. That and map imba exists in TvT.

Before quoting stats, plz make a conscious effort to use stats that makes sense. Flash's tvp record may be the lowest of the three (of this I am not sure, but it seems to be what you're using). But check out his games from the start of 2010. Aside from dropping a game to movie (in a Bo5 that he won) and to M18M he's been raping protoss left and right, including free, best, bisu, jangbi, stork, and Kal - 3 times this season. Flash's been on the scene for quite some time, and his win% include games from the very start of his career. Is it a clear indication of his current form? No.

I don't think i'll agree that Flash's second weakest mu is TvZ. I do agree with what you have to say about his opponents, however.

Your vT analysis just suck. Sounds like you're either trolling or attempting a humor post. You failed on both count.

I pray to God you're actually trolling.

I know I am :p
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ItsBigfoot
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States432 Posts
April 23 2010 09:43 GMT
#32
On April 23 2010 18:22 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 17:22 Wings wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:43 O-ops wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:

We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.

Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.


I didn't know you map imba exists in mirror matchups.

And just saying, if TvT is Flash's third weakest matchup, would that not make that, you know, his strongest matchup?


Romanian immigrant?


Romanian native?


I'm on to you Romanian

Anyway, the Flash vs Kal finals should be pretty interesting
Kal Fighting!
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 09:46:05
April 23 2010 09:45 GMT
#33
On April 23 2010 18:43 ItsBigfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 18:22 O-ops wrote:
On April 23 2010 17:22 Wings wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:43 O-ops wrote:
On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:

We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.

Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.


I didn't know you map imba exists in mirror matchups.

And just saying, if TvT is Flash's third weakest matchup, would that not make that, you know, his strongest matchup?


Romanian immigrant?


Romanian native?


I'm on to you Romanian

Anyway, the Flash vs Kal finals should be pretty interesting


100% Vietnamese bro

Flash would just raped Kal like he did the last 3 times they met imo
Fan of the Jangbanger
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
April 23 2010 09:57 GMT
#34
Baby has the best chance. Nobody knows quite how good he is yet.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
April 23 2010 10:03 GMT
#35
On April 23 2010 18:57 dogabutila wrote:
Baby has the best chance. Nobody knows quite how good he is yet.


lol guess what's happening right now?
Fan of the Jangbanger
ItsBigfoot
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States432 Posts
April 23 2010 10:16 GMT
#36
baby lost, even with his magic 1 base mass tanks
Kal Fighting!
lavion
Profile Joined September 2009
Singapore286 Posts
April 23 2010 10:59 GMT
#37
The question is not who might stop Flash in OSL

It is who Flash cant' stop in OSL
Flash for bonjwa
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
April 23 2010 12:45 GMT
#38
Flash is invincible it seems... Before today I would have said that Baby had the best chance of eliminating him, but now this seems impossible, too. My second bet would be Zero. It is highly unlike that he can stand up to Flash's TvZ, but I don't see anyone else who could be a threat to Flash.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
April 23 2010 12:57 GMT
#39
Highest chance as in 0.5% ? Well I'd say Baby but as of today those 0.5% are gone too.
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 23 2010 13:19 GMT
#40
+ Show Spoiler +
Baby played damn well today, but I don't think it's going to be enough to win the next two games against Flash. Judging only from the forms of the players today, I'd say either Effort or Kal.
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