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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On May 02 2010 06:49 KristianJS wrote: Flash will get the double starleague titles this season like he should have last season!  not if mvp-jwa has anything to say about it | ||
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ErOs_HalO
United States167 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 02 2010 07:43 ErOs_HalO wrote: Power Outage isn't in the poll.. That's what stopped him last time! HAR HAR HAR POWER OUTAGE SO FUNNY It was also suggested in like the 5th post.. | ||
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Tekin
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
On May 02 2010 08 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 02 2010 08 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:20 Tekin wrote: The Kim Carrier Curse will be the one to beat flash. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 02 2010 09:03 K3Nyy wrote: I really want Flash to win both the OSL and MSL and make history. I doubt anyone right now can stop him. I'd rather him not. I really hate his playing style, it's really quite boring. And the MSL actually has plenty of people who I wouldn't say don't have a chance to win. He already lost a game to  Midas and to MVP, and  Jaedong didn't get eliminated. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On May 02 2010 09:31 LunarDestiny wrote: You are a noob if you don't see the beauty in Flash's play. It is called Perfect Starcraft. this and how is his tvz defensive? its natural to be defensive in tvp, and his tvt isnt based around defwhoring either. i dont see anyone in the osl stopping him, but in the msl there´s still jaedong and maybe free... yes, free! he has sick sick lategamemanagement and is capable of challenging flash on a really good day. (its not like jd would stand a chance vs flash if jd only has an average day....) | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 02 2010 09:31 LunarDestiny wrote: You are a noob if you don't see the beauty in Flash's play. It is called Boring Starcraft. fixed I don't find his strategy to be in the least bit interesting to watch. Effective it may be, but boring. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
On May 02 2010 09:31 LunarDestiny wrote: You are a noob if you don't see the beauty in Flash's play. It is called Perfect Starcraft. Even though bluntly said, I agree completely. Flash's play style is literally "Flashy", there is no gap in between. His game is one flawless transition from start to finish. His understanding of the game is already keenly calculated as soon as the game begins. There is no mistake to find, no hesitation, no disappointment as long as its humanly possible. His beauty relies within the detail within the detail within the detail. His smallest judgement ultimately leads him to his perfected win. The problem is, like many of teamliquid netters previously said, you can only appreciate the things you can understand. And unfortunately, not everyone is fully trained in what they see in sc game. No other player gives a run for his money more than Flash. Even if Flash loses, very rarely, it can be said his opponent played at his best by playing even "more perfect" game than Flash, or a staggering strategy to overcome Flash. Flash not only brings entertainment while winning, but also while he loses. In the end, you don't really have to like Flash to be entertained by his game. | ||
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aegisabcde
United States145 Posts
Ahurrrrrrr I'm going to try my cute micro tricks that work 1 out of 10 times in TvT and hopefully that will win me some fans. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 02 2010 09:47 aegisabcde wrote: He probably finds those 'aggressive' TvT players to be good. Ahurrrrrrr I'm going to try my cute micro tricks that work 1 out of 10 times in TvT and hopefully that will win me some fans. Let's not flame needlessly. I've seen good TvT's that last longer than an hour, so no. Perhaps there's something about Flash that I'm missing, but I just don't really see it. | ||
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aegisabcde
United States145 Posts
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
He already has this in the bag. If anyone pulls an upset, it will be considered the biggest upset in E-sport history. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Also, why the flaming? On May 02 2010 10:02 EntertainMe wrote: Going back to the topic, there's no one left to stop Flash in OSL. (I thought baby was the only one with chance) He already has this in the bag. If anyone pulls an upset, it will be considered the biggest upset in E-sport history. I agree. Pure, Effort, and Kal are all by far inferior. At least IMO they all are better than Movie. | ||
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aegisabcde
United States145 Posts
You can like any kind of player you want. I was more mocking those players that try stupid tricks in TvT and get owned (cough Hwasin). | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On May 02 2010 09:51 Lightwip wrote: Let's not flame needlessly. I've seen good TvT's that last longer than an hour, so no. Perhaps there's something about Flash that I'm missing, but I just don't really see it. Do you play SC? This isn't meant to be a flame - a lot of people watch SC and never play it, which is totally fine. But admittedly it's much harder to appreciate Flash's play unless you play a lot of SC, because you don't really have a sense of what's hard and what's not. Here are some things I look out for when I watch Flash play contrasted to when I watch some other Terran play. I don't think I've even scratched the surface of all the things to watch for when he plays though. - Flash simply never moves out in TvP and gets crushed. He basically never misjudges his timings or the relative army sizes and blows an entire army for nothing, something that pretty much no other pro T manages to avoid 100% of the time. - Flash's TvT positioning is unrivaled. He's always at the most important location given the current context of the game 5 seconds before his opponent. This is especially evident on 3 player maps like Medusa and Moon Glaive. Medusa especially, see Flash vs FBH (twice), Flash vs Leta, Flash vs Hwasin. - His army size. You'd think that all progamers are so good at macro that this is even, but it's not true. Flash simply never misses a round (this is even more evident when watching his OSL games where you can watch his resource counter go through the production rounds with incredible regularity, even though he's still controlling his army attentively). - Pace. Flash plays at a faster pace than any other Terran. He's always dictating the flow of the game. It's extremely rare to see him on his back foot in a game - rather it's always the opponent struggling to keep up with his decisions. A great example of this is his game 3 against Calm last OSL semifinals, the epic battle on Fighting Spirit where it seemed like Flash just constantly imposed his will across the map in spite of facing a Zerg who easily got 4 gas very early (and eventually picked up a 5th). You'll never find another TvZ where a top Z gets 4 gas that easily on a giant 4 player map and yet is constantly on his back foot the entire time. It's easy to dislike Flash's play, in part because there's very little drama in his games usually. It's more like, step 1: get an advantage, step 2: make the advantage larger, step 3: win. You have make an effort to look for the perfection in his play to appreciate it, but it definitely makes watching pro SC much more enjoyable if you do. | ||
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