I think in his prime ffort could consistently beat flash.
I mean like if they played a best out of 5 over a period of like 10 days, effort would atleast win like 4 of them. With that said, no one here is going to beat flash. the player with the highest chance of doing so is Kal, but he isn't good enough ATM. I don't see Zero doing it. Maybe Baby if he gets lucky but TvT seems like a matchup where crazy cheeses don't pay off so much in comparison to other matchups.

just my 2 cents

JohnColtrane

Australia4813 Posts

April 26 2010 15:55 GMT

#145

On April 27 2010 00:44 Lucid90 wrote:
I think in his prime ffort could consistently beat flash.
I mean like if they played a best out of 5 over a period of like 10 days, effort would atleast win like 4 of them. With that said, no one here is going to beat flash. the player with the highest chance of doing so is Kal, but he isn't good enough ATM. I don't see Zero doing it. Maybe Baby if he gets lucky but TvT seems like a matchup where crazy cheeses don't pay off so much in comparison to other matchups.

just my 2 cents

o.O that's a pretty bold claim, flash has been tearing up zergs like nobody's business

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

April 26 2010 16:09 GMT

#146

Effort in his prime wouldn't stand a chance vs Flash in his prime (now). Maybe he could've had a chance in a Bo5 when Flash was in his deepest ''slump'', but that's it.

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

April 26 2010 16:52 GMT

#147

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97348

Effort was a favorite to beat Flash less than a year ago.

okum

France5778 Posts

April 26 2010 17:03 GMT

#148

On April 27 2010 01:52 jalstar wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97348

Effort was a favorite to beat Flash less than a year ago.

That was just after Flash had lost 4 consecutive TvZs by not building turrets. Not particularly relevant to anything, except the hypothetical scenario that Flash decides to go into such a phase again.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

April 26 2010 17:14 GMT

#149

Flash had nothing to play for in that game, he was already knocked out of the OSL at that point while Effort had to beat Flash to advance. Effort was in other words 100 times more motivated to win, he came from a good win streak vs T while Flash came from an ugly loss streak vs Z, and still only 55% thought that Effort would win. And Flash ended up winning the game anyway...

o[twist]

United States4903 Posts

April 26 2010 17:17 GMT

#150

if flash 14ccs every game effort would be a favorite against him next month too. effort has never been as good at the game as flash, though

Kuzmorgo

Hungary1058 Posts

April 26 2010 19:36 GMT

#151

On April 23 2010 16:38 Wings wrote:
Analyzing Flash, we can see that his vP is his worst matchup, and that it pretty much is at a meh 70% all-time. However, I can't see Pure or Kal (lol poor guy) beating Flash, and Movie got raped pretty badly the last time round.

His second worst matchup is his vZ. However, Effort can only beat Flash if he receives help from his species. Zero... is awesome but I don't see him standing a chance, he seems to love surprising opponents with creative strategies, but Flash only ever looks surprised when his face twitches by accident.

We come to Flash's third worst matchup, his vT. Due to map imbalances, I'd say Flash automatically starts off with an advantage. However, Flash has only gone 9-4 in his last 13 TvT's (let's just ignore the 25-1 streak right before that). Do the math: that means Flash is actually only 69% in his last 13... O_O. Slump!!! As a result, I conclude that Baby or Forgg have the only realistic chance. Baby has the mental advantage; likely, this is probably the only time(?) Flash will have played someone younger than him in a BoX, and this likely scares him really badly. Baby is also riding a hot streak, and actually changed his name to Ty somewhere along the way. Forgg is Flash's teammate and therefore has secretly been extremely jealous of him throughout this entire time and has stolen all his replays. Likely, Flash's recent TvT losses were because Forgg tried to sabotage Flash by acting dumb during their practice matches.

Conclusion: Baby or Forgg.

W8 wut???

Anyway, Baby would have a chance prolly if he had more time to prepare, but even than its TvT.. so I say P's have the best chance with a successful cheese!!! Or smthin'
But its all just hypothetical. No one will actually stop Flash...

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

April 27 2010 02:45 GMT

#152

On April 27 2010 01:52 jalstar wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97348

Effort was a favorite to beat Flash less than a year ago.

Well, let me remind you that Flash started his infamous TvZ streak (that was later ended by hyun) against Effort in WCG after he completely dominated him 2:0.

darktreb

United States3017 Posts

April 27 2010 02:58 GMT

#153

On April 27 2010 11:45 Lebesgue wrote:

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Well, let me remind you that Flash started his infamous TvZ streak (that was later ended by hyun) against Effort in WCG after he completely dominated him 2:0.

True, but most of us Flash fans last year (aka real Flash fans =P) were his harshest critics at the time, and I seem to remember that right after Flash beat July (in the least convincing 3-0 ever) and right before Effort lost to Iris, the common consensus was that Effort would be the favorite (if not the heavy favorite) in the final.

I certainly believed Flash could win but all indications at the time were that Effort's nearly perfect ZvT was better than Flash's flawed TvZ at the time.

Then of course, Iris beat Effort, giving Flash's TvZ some time off for retooling and by the time they did meet in WCG a month later everything was changing.

hyst.eric.al

United States2332 Posts

April 27 2010 03:00 GMT

#154

Jaedong's TvZ in his prime has always been better than Effort, and I actually like Effort. Lets be serious now, Effort's TvZ is in shambles and Flash will eat CJ's Neo-Savior (comparable to Savior only because of the slump, nowadays).

seRapH

United States9803 Posts

April 27 2010 03:01 GMT

#155

On April 27 2010 04:36 Kuzmorgo wrote:

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are you saying forgg doesnt have a chance? teammates always do, i wouldn't underestimate him. especially since they'd be meeting in the finals

+ Show Spoiler +

idk how many times i've said this already, but I'LL SAY IT AGAIN

ForGG 3-0 Flash finals!

Dgtl

Canada889 Posts

April 27 2010 03:52 GMT

#156

I really think that the only way Flash will/can lose is if his opponent plays a strong mind game against him and strictly prepares/ practices builds that directly counter flash's play. To play "standard" against Flash is to lose. Sure this isn't always the case but for the past long time it has.
So I guess hyper aggressive builds involving both econ and units.

Would love to see Flash get 4 or 5 pooled TBH.

iloveHieu

United States1919 Posts

April 27 2010 08:16 GMT

#157

Please Kal, go all the way..

FOR AIUR!

ROOTdrewbie

Canada1392 Posts

April 27 2010 08:19 GMT

#158

flash is unstoppable. gg

Creationism

China505 Posts

April 27 2010 08:21 GMT

#159

On April 27 2010 01:52 jalstar wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97348

Effort was a favorite to beat Flash less than a year ago.

It seems that people COMPLETELY forgot the read the stats in between? Flash 3-1? when the hell was effort EVER gonna beat flash in a Bo5. Where are these claims coming from? And Flash WON that game, with a bunker rush BBS i think. Please, look at some stats before making statements that have absolutely no basis.