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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
when does it go back down? when you're done doing whatever you were doing with people of lower skill levels, it's different. Their money goes up when they have 5 zealots queued on their 2 gateways, so its telling them to spend it. They also don't build supply buildings/lords until the game tells them they have hit the limit. You should have gotten into the habit of building depots in time with your production by now anyway. | ||
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SuGoSu
Turkey109 Posts
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
on 30 tries only once i could... ;/ | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
sunshine, siggy ~ u have another god dam point!! grrrhhh jeje. Its a matter of skill level ~ I guess an ultra newbie could beat another newbie if he used the zeal rush gate training file. I guess those reminders can be considered as cheating help. STILL ~ the distinction is a fine one. BWcoach is clearly intended as a teaching tool ~ a fun one too. If somebody decides to use it as a cheat it is a very clumsy, ineffective tool for those ends and it will benefit a very small group. APM live also makes warnings that you could consider they were helping you ~ and yet very few consider it as cheating. BWcoach has the potential to help each individual get BETTER and NOT AT THE EXPENCE OF YOUR OPPONENTS WEAKNESS like a map hack. BWcoach was not designed to help you 'cheat' ~ nor was APM live ~ they both do help the player using them but in a different way than a map hack. Its an ethical issue ~ legally yes ~ its a third party program and thus something that blizzard could decide to ban or turn the blind eye as it has done to so many other third party programs not made by Jca (~ bots, ~ filter.) BWcoach does far more GOOD than it will ever cause harm ~ try it and you will understand how crappy it is as a hacking tool and how trully fantastic it is as a teaching tool ~ | ||
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SunShine
Netherlands787 Posts
i dont care about the build order help etc. im worried about the warning it gives u when ur cash is high during an attack wich every player sometimes forgets no matter what skill level and im worried about the supply thingie for the same reason. even pro's forget these things sometimes and with this program u would not forget wich is part of the game so its taking away a part of the game | ||
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error
Germany36 Posts
so its hack and dont tell me its not an advantage if u get told that u re low on supply even realy gosu player can forget an pylon in midgame i personally hope that evryone using this programm will be banned by blizzard cause of using 3.party prog ( unfortunatly i dont think that ll happen) btw: i had less probs with it if it wpuld send a msg at start of like player: hello i am using bwcoach version 1.1c now we juist need lasgos KI prog and we ve got wc3 with shitty graphics excellent sry 4 bad eng hf | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
I have had this idea to put "post-it" (C) notes on the side of my monitor that would attract my attention once in a while. Something like this BUILD SUPPLY, FUCKING IDIOT! WTF NO SCOUTING? YO FASTER PLZ, OK? LOOK AT MINIMAP MORE OFTEN, LOSER!? Ok, would you consider this hacking? Because that is essentially exactly what BWChart does, only a tiny little bit easier. | ||
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T_T
Vatican City State593 Posts
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error
Germany36 Posts
On March 21 2004 09:23 MPXMX wrote: Ok, dudes, let me try to settle your dispute I have had this idea to put "post-it" (C) notes on the side of my monitor that would attract my attention once in a while. Something like this BUILD SUPPLY, FUCKING IDIOT! WTF NO SCOUTING? YO FASTER PLZ, OK? LOOK AT MINIMAP MORE OFTEN, LOSER!? Ok, would you consider this hacking? Because that is essentially exactly what BWChart does, only a tiny little bit easier. indeed good point just try to think next time post-it notes re rly good software..yea | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
 ~lol | ||
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
On March 21 2004 09:23 MPXMX wrote: Ok, dudes, let me try to settle your dispute I have had this idea to put "post-it" (C) notes on the side of my monitor that would attract my attention once in a while. Something like this BUILD SUPPLY, FUCKING IDIOT! WTF NO SCOUTING? YO FASTER PLZ, OK? LOOK AT MINIMAP MORE OFTEN, LOSER!? Ok, would you consider this hacking? Because that is essentially exactly what BWChart does, only a tiny little bit easier. post it notes aren't third party program also, its not like BWCoach where when your minerals are high it says "high minerals," when your APM is low it says "play faster," when u need supply it says "build supply." Post it notes lack the perfect timing of BWCoach, the one quality which makes BWCoach such an unfair hack | ||
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MannerLess_
Brazil535 Posts
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MadduX
United States515 Posts
Do you agree that BWCoach gives the person using it an advantage over someone who is not using it? Then how can you say it is fair to use in leagues and ladders, where things like maphacks are banned, because they do the same thing: give one player an advantage over another. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Learn to beat a gundam rush and stfu. The persons overall skill determines how helpful this will be. If they are already good they wont have any of those stupid alerts flashing in the corner and they wont need to use any stupid carbon copy build order. If they suck then they wont be able to use the alerts to their fullest and it will only hurt them by distracting them. Sliggy and Maddux, you guys are afraid of a person who can macro. Go play pubbies. And sliggy, On March 20 2004 23:19 Sliggy wrote: 2) not just 1 person, but eventually people will get pissed off that everyone seems to play flawlessly with this program. Imagine playing 10 1v1 and you lost every one of them because some guy spent his money, which usually he would not have been able to do. Its only helping people to improve? So do steroids, but they are banned. ROFL. | ||
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MadduX
United States515 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
It's not my fault your stupid. | ||
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
But I had a pretty hard scare, because at one point, I build 2 overlords, because I had a tad extra money, but I didnt notice that he killed one. This put me behind in supply that I didnt pay attention to, and thus, at one point he broke out of my light contain, and I go back to find my new units, just to find it giving me the you need more overlords message. Right here, bw coach could have told me a while before that I needed overlords, as it does right when you lose one. Had I seen this, I would have had plenty of units, to just break him right then and there. Secondly thanks to this whole thing, I wasnt spending well and got up to 1600 before I noticed....this means to me, that I can freely expand again, tech to hive, and still build plenty of units from everyhatchury...had I noticed this before, I would have had an even easier time. Anyway, even though I was already going to win the game, this all means that even though I'm a 200-220 APM zerg, and I dont consider myself "newbie" (by no means great mind you) it could have helped me pull of a pure rape game. And in Responce to the post about posted notes...BWCoach gives sounds, and flashes on your game screen. I could easily get focused on my game, and not see the posted notes sitting outside my monitor. Bwcoach puts them right where im looking, hard to miss that way. And as much as I think BWCoach is a hack, im not to terribly worried about it. I played a game with it, and the build orders sucked, plus all the little screens and numbers and shit just get destracting. I say thanks to JCA for BWchart, RWA, but not for BWcoach, im very disapointed that he couldnt see this. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
Now seeing that you probably meant bwCoach, and no, It wont make you much better, however, if a good player is much more aware,it can completely change things. And no god damnit, im not trying to say that I am a good player! Im just useing it as an example | ||
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