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Na[12]Sil
United States192 Posts
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Klogon
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JuDaS
Spain143 Posts
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On March 20 2004 16:29 Sliggy wrote: Exactly what i was thinking.i agree. Ultimately, BWCoach may be the death of bw. 1) newbies will rely on this program, not knowing why they are doing anything. This means they will be stuck with very basic builds, and wont be able to alter them according to the game. Ultimately, no more good players. 2) people will quit because they will be sick of other people using this shit, so no more good players and the people who are already good will be gone. 3) on another note, this is a program that everyone is going to need. Its like a patch, if you dont have it you cant compete. So eventually EVERYONE who plays 1v1 is going to need to download this shit, or get raped by people who are using it. 4) the blizzard anti-hack policy thing says 'NO 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS THAT ENHANCE THE PLAYERS PLAYING ABILITY IN ANY WAY ARE ALLOWED' hmm.... sound familiar? This is my opinion. personally i hate the fucking thing, but whatever. | ||
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
On March 20 2004 15:59 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: i just tried to use it and i have to say that first build order is useless, its not even clear when they want you to build it, if they want you to cut probes or not. once my 8th probe starts building its like "build pylon" so like uh well i dont have 100 minerals yet did u want me to build it on 7 or what? but anyways i figure that just gives me time to build it. okay. next its like build gateway when i'm on 9 and not enough minerals to build it yet. so uh. did they really want me to 9 gate? or should i 10? and then its ilke build gas. now im like well shit. would that be a 9 gas too? 10? 11? useless. update! tried the second build order and it had me do 11 rax, 4 rines, a vulture, a wraith, a machine shop, an ebay, 4 turrets, an armory, a cc, and then it disappeared. i was like wth do i do now? and i dunno how i feel about expanding tvz with 1 wraith, 1 vult, and 4 rines, especially that slowly. sounds dicey! It's just guidelines. You can't expect it tell you to do everything. You should have some knowledge of what to do after that, yes? | ||
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tAi
78 Posts
New nick name for bwcoach = bwprison (jca i dont mean to flame you) | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
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radiaL
Andorra2690 Posts
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Verbloten
Australia750 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
On March 20 2004 17:57 DarkGhost wrote: It's just guidelines. You can't expect it tell you to do everything. You should have some knowledge of what to do after that, yes? guidelines? i cant tell if it means to cut worker or not! useless, wow pylon before gateway? omg let me memorize that one. if it doesnt tell the newbies that their gate is too early/too late it is basically telling them nothing at all | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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MadduX
United States515 Posts
and i am going to laugh when everyone who used it gets banned from battle.net | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
On March 20 2004 16:29 Sliggy wrote: i agree. Ultimately, BWCoach may be the death of bw. 1) newbies will rely on this program, not knowing why they are doing anything. This means they will be stuck with very basic builds, and wont be able to alter them according to the game. Ultimately, no more good players. 2) people will quit because they will be sick of other people using this shit, so no more good players and the people who are already good will be gone. 3) on another note, this is a program that everyone is going to need. Its like a patch, if you dont have it you cant compete. So eventually EVERYONE who plays 1v1 is going to need to download this shit, or get raped by people who are using it. 4) the blizzard anti-hack policy thing says 'NO 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS THAT ENHANCE THE PLAYERS PLAYING ABILITY IN ANY WAY ARE ALLOWED' hmm.... sound familiar? This is my opinion. personally i hate the fucking thing, but whatever. JCA is just looking for Robot Brood War.  | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On a final word if you can get a better player than you, to teach you, it will always be better than BWcoach. If you do not like automated tutor, find yourself a human one ~ it will always be better. You do not need or want help at getting better? Fine Do it the old fashion way ~ battle made. Why deny others when they ask for help? What exactly are you afraid of? IcedEarth ~ nice name btw, hey man keep practising ~ you will get better ~ do not be afraid of 'newbies' raping you. | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On March 20 2004 17:51 NoRTyDoG wrote: Exactly what i was thinking. Uh, I'm going to try to answer this, becuase I don't feel this reduces skill in any way. (I know this is a very split debate, JUST like apm, so you can feel free to flame shamelessly). 1. People are relatively stupid, but not THAT stupid. Once they take the big leap of moving from BGH to Lost Temple, this will help them get an idea of what they NEED to be doing. Now, YES, some people may get addicted, but those kinds of people wouldn't get good without the program ANYWAYS. Further, the "newbies" that really have the drive to get good will have the intelligence (and hopefully advice) that points them into the direction of countering builds and more about timing. This is VERY similar to BWchart and the replay function - > there are many players that try to "copy" Nada macro, EVERYONE is walling in, why? Not becuase they "figured" it out, so saying that this program takes away creativity is unfair and should not take all of the blame. Again, I reiterate, those players that constantly do so will not only develop a weakness to playing only on Lost Temple, they will not be able to deal wtih change fast enough intuitively to do well in high level games. 2. Ok, this is very unlogical. Yes, it will improve your macro probably. I play on fastest possible /bgh occasionally to improve my macro. I'm not going to claim I'm good, but who's going to leave becuase somoene knows how to do a proper 2 fac vult now? This doesn't micro for you, and the advantage is only early-game, in which an experienced player has ALREADY learned this knowledge. The only possible valid argument that can be twisted from this is that we (the people without BWCoach) were unable to have this aid so they can learn faster than us (the early basics). 3. "raped?" I think that 99% of the apm haters say that speed is irrelevant, tactics are 200% more important. (Just to tangent alittle, i completely agree, but I feel that apm (and hotkeying, a lot of the apm haters do NOT hotkey) is completely necessary, and I can always use the undefeatable argument: nada apms 300 just to look good?) Moving on, if anything, like you said, the newbies won't be able to play properly and do the same build every game. This is contardictory to the other statement that you said. "High" level players do not need this. Therefore, this dosen't take away from the game. 4. We all use BWCoach and RWA case closed. A couple thoughts of my own about the program (I will be testing it more as a more fluid program is released): I think that it will dumb down creativity a little, but right now tvp is just 2fac vult/fact port / fact (bay) expo. There is no wraith, bbs, or infantry rush any more. Its not like players are trying to be craetive and this program is shutting them down. I think it will improve skill level among mid-level players (which is basically the entire TL forum.) I suggest that we all try the program (if you are comfortable with it) before we continue to flame hardworking JCA, who has provided us with so many useful tools. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
thanks for posts like yours exalted ~ it is ur types of posts that make me stay reading at times.. ~ Entropy | ||
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MadduX
United States515 Posts
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MadduX
United States515 Posts
Any program that gives someone an advantage over someone not using the program should not be allowed. Simple as that. | ||
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radiaL
Andorra2690 Posts
Once one little thing loses sync, all is gone, cept min/gas/supply/apm warnings | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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