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lowfi(
Germany280 Posts
But in my case - I like to decide for myself which bo I use, when I scout (man I hate that feature where it says "scout now" ). Why do you need a programm which notifys you if your mins or gas go above/ below a certain amount? I think that's is just annoying. Sry JCA but that prog is pretty much useless. Your other programs rule nevertheless  | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
BWCoach doesn't mess with StarCraft itself. If ANYONE gets an unfair advantage over you with BWCoach then you need to improve. It's not like maphack where no matter how good you get he still sees what you are doing. With BWCoach if he beats you because of it then that means you need to improve your own timing and then you will be on a level playing field with him. | ||
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StaSiS
United States147 Posts
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Tricky
China752 Posts
fuckin nerd u r an idoit YES IDIOT! u r ignoring the point of playing game which is for fun uhhh WAT A JOKEee | ||
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MadduX
United States515 Posts
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Yang
Lithuania231 Posts
Ppl, who play with bwcoach in wgt or other 'not training' games, are cheaters. next jca release - undetectibale map hack. 'kiddin' | ||
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Ceril
Sweden1343 Posts
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MannerLess_
Brazil535 Posts
On March 22 2004 04:59 Ceril wrote: I kinda like my own "third-party program" that tells me that I got almost full in the top left corner and "should you not do something with thoose minerals and gas?". It is called: my dear friend that watches my games. Very neat program that. And so Hack. Isn't that a bit different from an automated SOFTWARE? | ||
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
On March 22 2004 05:05 MannerLess_ wrote: Isn't that a bit different from an automated SOFTWARE? Actually there is a difference between hardware and software. It is a useful term, but in another area, not to decide if something is hack. - Mouse drivers are 3rd party addons which directly effect your plaing capability. Ban non Blizzard / non Microsoft mouse drivers ? - So above point was ridiculous, eh ? Then what about a programmable mouse ? Mind you, there are some with 5 Buttons ;-) - What about WinAmp in the background playing techno music which will make me react faster? Forbidden because its software? How about the good old ghettoblaster ? Allowed because it's hardware ? - That ghettoblaster can play a tape with a build I recorded watching a nada replay. Hardware/Software ? Forbidden / allowed ? All that crap about "its software" is so "my father style". And thats an insult if it comes to technical terms ;-) . In my oppinion there's a really easy way to decide if something is cheat. Consider Starcraft to be a black box. Will a program give you any information, that you cannot have using the blackbox interface? If so it's hack. If not, it's a legal help. BWCoach only reminds you of information you already have. So no hack, gg, thanks to JCA. | ||
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
There are the "advanced players" like Physician. They don't need BWCoach because they don't forget to build depots. I don't do either and I regularly agree to restart a game if my opponent claims he fucked up his build ;-) Now these people would "suffer" the most because players not able to pulloff a straight build will be coached to compete. We greet this and are happy to get more of a challenge out of our opponents. On the other hand there are the "Maddoxxes". These players are not newbies but they are certainly not good. They still forget pylons and don't know which build counters what when playing against a competent opponent. Likely, despite thousands of games played, the "Maddoxxes" will never improve. It's not because they are stupid (Well maybe they are). It's because they don't take their joy out of challenging their mind but winning agains weaker opponents (Their carreer started with xvc compbashes btw). Loosing closely against someone they will more likely claim the other guy hacks then ask for a regame. If their opponent has someone giving hints to him they will be angry "because he cheats" not happy to have better competition. Now this is the party that wants BWCoach to be considered hack allthough they themselves would be the EXACT target group which could use bwcoach the most. It's up to you, but I'd rather play a newbie that tries to improve using bwcoach than play a whining "Maddoxx" who will call me hacker in the likely case he will loose. So good work JCA, help the newbies and don't listen to the "Maddoxxes" Peace, koehli | ||
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JudasT
Spain2226 Posts
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error
Germany36 Posts
On March 21 2004 13:50 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: A hack is something that messes with StarCraft itself to give you an unfair advantage over your opponent. BWCoach doesn't mess with StarCraft itself. If ANYONE gets an unfair advantage over you with BWCoach then you need to improve. It's not like maphack where no matter how good you get he still sees what you are doing. With BWCoach if he beats you because of it then that means you need to improve your own timing and then you will be on a level playing field with him. so its just a hack if u re not good enough o.O very nice following szenario noob plays vs noob the one noob make a nearly perfekt 9/10 gate zealot rush so who wins? ah i forgot noobs dont count and just need to get better so thats not a hack anymore t.t | ||
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
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HurtnTime
United States296 Posts
haha j/k.I need to make some training files. FYI - the posted training file does not include the most important part which is the spider mines after machine shop. Place spider mines to defend the early expansion. Update: JCA added the spider mines. | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
On March 21 2004 10:01 Pacifist wrote: post it notes aren't third party program also, its not like BWCoach where when your minerals are high it says "high minerals," when your APM is low it says "play faster," when u need supply it says "build supply." Post it notes lack the perfect timing of BWCoach, the one quality which makes BWCoach such an unfair hack What the hell does it matter if it's a program? You seem to think it's a hack just because it's SOFTWARE (oooooooo!!) that makes reminders. You know some people have better mouse drivers than others. They have an unfair advantage. Are they hacking? Some people have better hardware than others. They have an advantage. Are they hacking? Should good mice be banned? Seriuosly, bwcoach is intended to help people to get better. If you still forget supplies regularly, can't spend money, and need reminders to play fast, you are hardly playing broodwar on an enjoyable level. Once you get past those barriers, you don't need bw coach and people who use bw coach will not have an advantage over you. Just my $0.02 CAD | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
and Thanks JCA!! | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
Quake has programs, that you run, that tell you the spawning times of all the items, like an apmlive or something, a timer that runs at the corner of the screen. Granted u cant use them at offline events, but its not really a cheat is it? Its already something you 'know', it just helps make it more effeceint | ||
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Pob
880 Posts
but the feature export build order from replay looks very good i have to say , ill download it when that feature works properly | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
Is it a hack now? Where do you draw the line? It's a slippery slope guys. | ||
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IcarusFalls
Canada94 Posts
bwcoach = tutor. getting an advantage for yourself within the rules of the game. it's just like someone whispering over your shoulder in a game (build a depot now) therefore bwcoach is not a cheat even if it does give an advantage meaning it's deamed ok and it does not effect my level of play in game so i really dont care :D it will make lesser players better so hf ! edit: how this will effect the game is only by allowing people to rip build orders off with ease. good and bad players alike. therefore the skill will go up but i mean it's not like it matters. hardly anyone i know is good and there are still very few really good players out there. so many people have played this game for 5 years and if they arnt already gosu this isnt going to help that much. | ||
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