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sata
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden127 Posts
March 20 2004 03:29 GMT
#21
I think it can rock as a tool to help you train, it will be great for me as a newbie. But it should be made so it could easily be detected and not be alowed in tournaments or tour, such as wgt and others.
MannerKiss
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2398 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-20 03:33:58
March 20 2004 03:30 GMT
#22
The prog was horrible....the timeing is off on the strats it uses. the little meters and shit just get in the way and destract you, and the build orders arent even that good -_-

Might be good for a newbie who has NO IDEA what he is doing, but the builds are basic

In fact, the first game I tried it vs computer, and the computer like 6 pooled me or something, and the prog just contines on with its build and annoying the crap out of you -_-
I want an igloo.
jca
Profile Joined April 2003
France273 Posts
March 20 2004 03:46 GMT
#23
On March 20 2004 12:30 Tai-Shu wrote:
The prog was horrible....the timeing is off on the strats it uses. the little meters and shit just get in the way and destract you, and the build orders arent even that good -_-

Might be good for a newbie who has NO IDEA what he is doing, but the builds are basic

In fact, the first game I tried it vs computer, and the computer like 6 pooled me or something, and the prog just contines on with its build and annoying the crap out of you -_-


As many people said before on this forum, BWCoach does not replace your brain. I think you just gave us a brilliant demonstration it is totally true.
http://www.bwchart.com
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
March 20 2004 03:50 GMT
#24
On March 20 2004 12:46 jca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2004 12:30 Tai-Shu wrote:
The prog was horrible....the timeing is off on the strats it uses. the little meters and shit just get in the way and destract you, and the build orders arent even that good -_-

Might be good for a newbie who has NO IDEA what he is doing, but the builds are basic

In fact, the first game I tried it vs computer, and the computer like 6 pooled me or something, and the prog just contines on with its build and annoying the crap out of you -_-


As many people said before on this forum, BWCoach does not replace your brain. I think you just gave us a brilliant demonstration it is totally true.


Holy shit, owned.
ILoveOOv ownZ everyone!!! ~ Lamer List: Mynock, naventus
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
March 20 2004 03:51 GMT
#25
One thing I like about BWCoach, the APM box is in a much better place than APM live.

Also, this program is great for learning new build orders or just trying to practice timing. But using it all the time is really ruining the game, and I'm not willing to do that.
ILoveOOv ownZ everyone!!! ~ Lamer List: Mynock, naventus
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-20 04:02:29
March 20 2004 03:56 GMT
#26
i used it in a game vs the computer to test, well my apm skyrocketed up to 227 whereas i normally have 170, and my macro was much better

but it took so much of my attention that i had no clue what was going on


i really admire jca for programming this, it must have been difficult

i also hope jca that you can make some kind of warning that the player using bwcoach ALWAYS says "I am using BWCoach!" at the start of the game and that he can't do anything about it

edit: huh, bwcoach said i had 280 apm, why does it give a different reading than bwchart?
DANCE ALL DAY
7op
Profile Joined February 2004
Canada654 Posts
March 20 2004 04:18 GMT
#27
where are the sounds in english?
7op
Profile Joined February 2004
Canada654 Posts
March 20 2004 04:19 GMT
#28
only found them in chinese
ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
March 20 2004 04:21 GMT
#29
On March 20 2004 12:56 GroT wrote:
i used it in a game vs the computer to test, well my apm skyrocketed up to 227 whereas i normally have 170, and my macro was much better

but it took so much of my attention that i had no clue what was going on


i really admire jca for programming this, it must have been difficult

i also hope jca that you can make some kind of warning that the player using bwcoach ALWAYS says "I am using BWCoach!" at the start of the game and that he can't do anything about it

edit: huh, bwcoach said i had 280 apm, why does it give a different reading than bwchart?


yeah, it was the exact same way for me

pretty nice program for beginners i think, nice work JCA
StaSiS
Profile Joined February 2004
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-20 04:37:14
March 20 2004 04:36 GMT
#30
Grot:

Why is my average apm in APM Live! not the same than the one given by BWChart ?

That is because BWChart measures actions that were actually recorded into the replay file. Whereas APM Live! measures clicks & keys. Even though minimap clicks are discarded, misclicks in the map are not.

For example, if you click 20 times in a row on a CC, it counts as 1 select action in BWChart, whereas in APM Live!, it counts as 20 actions. For keys, most of the useless ones are discarded. That includes the F2,F3,F4 keys, the tab key, the arrows, the space bar and every key that you type in messages (since 1.00J). Basically only hotkeys and unit/building letters are recorded. So it's quite close to BWChart.

(From bwchart.com)
JOBY Protoss
Profile Joined December 2003
Romania36 Posts
March 20 2004 04:37 GMT
#31
While using BWCoach...who's playing ? You or your computer ? I watch tones of replays...see lots of vod's...listen to a bunch of rwa's...this is how i learn...i don't like my machine to tell me what to do ! [i know it's not my computer but the guys who made the training files...but nevertheless...]
For beginers i could see the point...but who starts playing BROODWAR now ? Such a great game should've been played since the first day it got out !
I am a three dimensions body trapping a single dimension soul.
JOBY Protoss
Profile Joined December 2003
Romania36 Posts
March 20 2004 04:38 GMT
#32
Don't get me wrong JCA...i admire your work very much !!!
I am a three dimensions body trapping a single dimension soul.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
March 20 2004 04:55 GMT
#33
u dont have to play lots of games with bwcoach.. it can save you time in checking out build orders though and making sure you are tight with them, assuming the timing isnt off. maybe it will keep improving like rwa has
GTR-2-Go_au
Profile Joined February 2004
Australia315 Posts
March 20 2004 04:57 GMT
#34
ok guys, jca, its a really good program.. but you cant get the exact bo's from reps, just the start [MAIN], names ect.

I also made a .trn file for BWCoach, for the bamboo/gundam rush. it aint that good but if any one is interested...

http://home.pacific.net.au/~gtr_2_go/gundam rush.tm.trn
I got none.....
MadduX
Profile Joined June 2003
United States515 Posts
March 20 2004 05:00 GMT
#35
Does it remind people who are forgetting pylons/depots/overlords?? I dont think that is a good idea.. forgetting those is a part of the game
Team LighT
MadduX
Profile Joined June 2003
United States515 Posts
March 20 2004 05:11 GMT
#36
And i Totally agree with grot on it should announce to the other player that he is using bwcoach, so people have a way of knowing.. but now that it is already released people can just not update it if they didnt want the other person knowing.
Team LighT
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
March 20 2004 05:42 GMT
#37
I really like the feature which beeps if you have x amount of minerals, really good for those who get distracted with their micro.
DarkGhost]Coon[
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1471 Posts
March 20 2004 06:33 GMT
#38
This program is good only to train. As a real coach would. Shouldn't be allowed at tourneys and it MUST announce itself. Other than that it's awsome. Almost doubled my APM. ^^
Common sense is not so common.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-20 07:16:08
March 20 2004 06:59 GMT
#39
i just tried to use it and i have to say that first build order is useless, its not even clear when they want you to build it, if they want you to cut probes or not. once my 8th probe starts building its like "build pylon" so like uh well i dont have 100 minerals yet did u want me to build it on 7 or what? but anyways i figure that just gives me time to build it. okay. next its like build gateway when i'm on 9 and not enough minerals to build it yet. so uh. did they really want me to 9 gate? or should i 10? and then its ilke build gas. now im like well shit. would that be a 9 gas too? 10? 11? useless.

update!

tried the second build order and it had me do 11 rax, 4 rines, a vulture, a wraith, a machine shop, an ebay, 4 turrets, an armory, a cc, and then it disappeared. i was like wth do i do now? and i dunno how i feel about expanding tvz with 1 wraith, 1 vult, and 4 rines, especially that slowly. sounds dicey!
Sliggy
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia797 Posts
March 20 2004 07:29 GMT
#40
On March 20 2004 11:15 GooDGaMe[cF] wrote:
The program is stupid and dumbs down starcraft, i see it as a step backwards :O


i agree. Ultimately, BWCoach may be the death of bw.

1) newbies will rely on this program, not knowing why they are doing anything. This means they will be stuck with very basic builds, and wont be able to alter them according to the game. Ultimately, no more good players.

2) people will quit because they will be sick of other people using this shit, so no more good players and the people who are already good will be gone.

3) on another note, this is a program that everyone is going to need. Its like a patch, if you dont have it you cant compete. So eventually EVERYONE who plays 1v1 is going to need to download this shit, or get raped by people who are using it.

4) the blizzard anti-hack policy thing says 'NO 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS THAT ENHANCE THE PLAYERS PLAYING ABILITY IN ANY WAY ARE ALLOWED'
hmm.... sound familiar?

This is my opinion. personally i hate the fucking thing, but whatever.
Yes Im back to doing RWA. Most recent one: [GG99]Slayer vs NeO(E)sKy. Gogo http://sliggy.fwtf.com
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