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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 31 2009 17:48 GMT
#61
You do realise that now that you've posted this, everybody in your vicinity will come and hunt you down filled with nerd rage.

Oh, hey! You're from Sweden as well!

...oh...well, make your amends with god then... o.0
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
December 31 2009 17:55 GMT
#62
Dude, watch Flash vs. Best from last night's MSL quarterfinals. That was entertaining as hell.
seNsiX.421
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
December 31 2009 17:58 GMT
#63
no problem, every now and then upmagic comes and makes my day!
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Jlab
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States217 Posts
December 31 2009 18:06 GMT
#64
It was only the other day that i realized just how amazing the game of starcraft is today. It has evolved sooooooooo much. In the start there was no use for vultures almost in TvP but now they are standard. Im sure ghosts will make their way into the scene along with terran have some form of cheeze. Toss has way to much cheeze and zerg has 4/5 pool. So im sure terran will make some more cheezes and the game will evolve more.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 18:08:08
December 31 2009 18:07 GMT
#65
Imo this just depends a lot on the point of view.
Personally I'm quite a good player but I can't help but to stare in awe at my monitor if Bisu/Jaedong/Flash/Stork are playing.
They're just out of this world.
Maybe Flash isn't all that characteristic, ya.
But BISU!??!?! Fuck yea he is. Fucking cocky bitch that tends to underestimate opponents and looks pretty decent for an asian.
Stork's silvers already made up their own character in Stork's psyche so you might as well call him a shizo...
And Jaedong, well - he's Jaedong, kid is probably the incarnation of the word ballsy - add to it his death stare and yea, you've got Jaedong the motherfucker that's trashing every fucking other newbie around.
Okay, except Flash from this statement as for recent results.
Still.
Lee motherfucking Jae Dong. k?
kthx.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
December 31 2009 18:07 GMT
#66
Flash's TvZ is not very campingish. He is very aggresive atm in thatt MU and it is quite fun to watch that, except that there is no one who manage to challenge him
I pwn noobs
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 18:09:59
December 31 2009 18:09 GMT
#67
I actually think starcraft fans are getting more retarded at a rate faster than the game is being solved. That's the problem. Dope shit happens every day, but if it's not something ridiculous obvious like in 2005 then they don't see it.
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Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 18:27:15
December 31 2009 18:12 GMT
#68
Obviously if flash didn't have heart for the game he wouldn't have the "Cold Mechanics" that makes him the macro machine he is today....Come on now :\

I guess your perception of a player who has heart is a person who just sits at D-C level and plays fastest alot on USWest.

I really don't understand your reasoning behind saying Flash or any other calibur of progamer doesn't have "heart".

It sounds to me like you just can't find anyway to get better and are sitting here bashing people who know what to do to get better.

I feel frustrated from starcraft all the time but that doesn't make me just say "well hes just a robot, he doesn't really love the game." I mean what kind of sense does that even make...?

One more thing games like Chess are still around, why is that?

Hope you respond to this post.
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
December 31 2009 18:31 GMT
#69
On December 31 2009 23:42 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fast Food Restaurants ruined everything. Food is not what they used to be. I can't believe I have to eat fast food.

Goddamn I love Wendy's though


this is what I read


Mmmmm you making me hungry for Wendy's new spicy chicken nuggets
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
December 31 2009 18:33 GMT
#70
This is way you cheer for protoss/ protoss has the biggest need for revolution and new 'stategems'.\
so being a fan of protoss is always exciting. esp with the era of zerg dominance.
and because of this zerg dominance, i THANK flash. i Thank him for putting jaedong in his place and handing zergs their comeuppance
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 18:39:48
December 31 2009 18:34 GMT
#71
You've been spoiled. If I had to watch games as they were played 9 years ago, I don't think I'd bother lol. They were fun for the time, but StarCraft is so much better today. Maybe you just need help seeing the more subtle things they do these days, but last night I was watching SC and just thinking about how freaking awesome it is.

I've actually got a pen and a paper beside my bed (I watch SC on my iPod) to write down particular games which at least have moments I thought were intensely clever... I've basically written something down for almost every game.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 31 2009 18:41 GMT
#72
On December 31 2009 23:10 KwarK wrote:
There is still innovation if you know where to look. Just because people have optimised the basics doesn't change the wealth of strategic decisions under the surface. It's very easy for a bad player to look at a game and think "well, he's making the same general units as in every other PvT therefore it's all the same" but the more you understand the game, the more you can appreciate its depth. I recommend you watch some Day9 daily, he's excellent at making the complexity of the game accessable.


QFT. The "innovations" that flash makes aren't as obvious, but if you understand what he's changing from the norm, then you see how he has experimented outside what has been done. These guys practice half their lives (literally) and they will use something when they find something that works.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
December 31 2009 18:48 GMT
#73
On January 01 2010 03:41 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 23:10 KwarK wrote:
There is still innovation if you know where to look. Just because people have optimised the basics doesn't change the wealth of strategic decisions under the surface. It's very easy for a bad player to look at a game and think "well, he's making the same general units as in every other PvT therefore it's all the same" but the more you understand the game, the more you can appreciate its depth. I recommend you watch some Day9 daily, he's excellent at making the complexity of the game accessable.


QFT. The "innovations" that flash makes aren't as obvious, but if you understand what he's changing from the norm, then you see how he has experimented outside what has been done. These guys practice half their lives (literally) and they will use something when they find something that works.



truuuuuuuuuuuuth*!
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Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 19:03:30
December 31 2009 18:58 GMT
#74
For some reason i dunno why i dont enjoy watching starcraft as i do last season. Flash is just overdominating the whole scene too much. Granted im a terran and im always amazed at the plays he shows us, but having someone winning all the games he plays isn't someone that i would really like. His TvT and TvZ is too beastly to the point that if he does not make a single mistake there would be no way anyone would be able to win him.

And if he brought about a new revolution in TvP,then everyone will only think of starcraft as Flash. No one will bother about other gamers because Flash is there. There would be no rivalries as Flash is the embodiment of starcraft

edit:well i dont mean i hate him its just that if hes all win u wouldnt even bother to watch since u know that hes gonna win his matches. If he has a 50% record against S class gamers like jaedong and bisu and stork then that would be nice cause u would be hoping he does some solid play to outplay them or whatever
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
December 31 2009 19:00 GMT
#75
On December 31 2009 23:40 ella_guru wrote:
Not every game 'back then' was amazing.

Not every game now is.

But there are still loads of great games in both eras.

exactly.

the only reason we think the games back them were considered better because OGN and MBC chose to only televise the top 8 or something. Besides, we can only find vods of some of the best games, and I personally found a few of those to match today's "boring playstyles". Some were just awkward for me to watch, being a new fan and all. But now with VOD technology we can see every game, and we can see the difference between a good game and a bad game. And one of the biggest reasons FlaSh is considered a normal terran is because everyone else COPIES HIM.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
AnubisWarrior
Profile Joined March 2008
United States4 Posts
December 31 2009 19:06 GMT
#76
The biggest deal for me nowadays actually is that the progamers have so much time to prepare for a map that I think it's pretty hard to surprise anyone by the time new maps are competitively played.

The best example of this I can think of is split sets in MSL Ro16 and OSL Quarterfinals - I think progamers struggle to find innovative strategies that will get their opponents off balance considering the set is not played out in a single day. Also from the audience standpoint, at least personally watching a set in one day is much more enjoyable and leads to more interesting psychological competition than a split BoX. I think there was an interview where Savior said that Fantasy would not have beat GGPlay (using Fantasy Build) had the Bo5 been played on split days. I think subtle things that emphasize preparation over innovation (and adapting in-game to something you haven't seen before) has led to modern play becoming more mechanical.

I still think the main causes are the depth of modern pro-teams (so there is a lot of opportunity to test a diverse range of strategies for every map) and the fact that competitive maps have been played to death so it's hard to think of something no one has ever seen.
horang3
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
December 31 2009 19:23 GMT
#77
A lot of the things that you say about Flash people said about oov.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288
Do great work
Tru_m4n
Profile Joined September 2009
162 Posts
December 31 2009 19:43 GMT
#78
While Flash is without doubt a great player, I don't really see what you guys find to be interesting with him. He basically never makes a mistake, instead he waits for his opponent to make one, and then strike with full force. However, to me he's the master of turtling, and therefore the most boring player I've ever known. I don't possess a great knowledge of this game, so flame if you want. I just can't understand how he can be seen as more entertaining than for example Bisu. It's like cheering for Germany when it comes to football. Entire team defends for the entire game, only to score a goal on a corner kick and eventually win. Flash is exactly the same.

I must admit though, that I really enjoyed seeing Flash roll over Jaedong on HBR, perhaps there is still hope for a more offensive Flash after all.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 31 2009 19:52 GMT
#79
On January 01 2010 03:58 streamofhonour wrote:
For some reason i dunno why i dont enjoy watching starcraft as i do last season. Flash is just overdominating the whole scene too much. Granted im a terran and im always amazed at the plays he shows us, but having someone winning all the games he plays isn't someone that i would really like. His TvT and TvZ is too beastly to the point that if he does not make a single mistake there would be no way anyone would be able to win him.

And if he brought about a new revolution in TvP,then everyone will only think of starcraft as Flash. No one will bother about other gamers because Flash is there. There would be no rivalries as Flash is the embodiment of starcraft

edit:well i dont mean i hate him its just that if hes all win u wouldnt even bother to watch since u know that hes gonna win his matches. If he has a 50% record against S class gamers like jaedong and bisu and stork then that would be nice cause u would be hoping he does some solid play to outplay them or whatever

All good things come to an end.

People were talking about Jaedong like this last season (incidentally, there are never any Flash B-word threads, while Jaedong and Bisu B-word threads are a dime a dozen), and now look what's happened. Players rise and fall, and the fact that the skill level between everyone is so close ensures that the field is always dynamic.
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Tazan_0
Profile Joined May 2009
United States63 Posts
December 31 2009 20:04 GMT
#80
All of your points are so wrong, misguided and lack true thought, that I cannot even bring myself to muster enough enthusiasm to explain how misguided you are. If you don't like starcraft, stop playing it and get off TL.
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