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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 01 2010 02:52 GMT
#101
Glad to see you have realized that the entirety of TL are Flash fanboys.
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When people matyr in the future, could they at least support their cause with sound logic? Otherwise, it's just sad.
Jaedong
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 01 2010 02:53 GMT
#102
lol so many flash fans in TL

If I heard this 2 years ago I would've died laughing

Y'all are bandwagoners.
dats racist
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 01 2010 02:57 GMT
#103
On January 01 2010 11:53 MrHoon wrote:
lol so many flash fans in TL

If I heard this 2 years ago I would've died laughing

Y'all are bandwagoners.


I agree, less than a year ago everyone was shouting BISU BISU BISU. And before that, SAVIOR SAVIOR, JAEDONG JAEDONG.

bandwagoners

well I can at least call myself a proud Flash fan for 2 years something now.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 02:59:01
January 01 2010 02:58 GMT
#104
as much as i hate posting 4chan drivel, this picture is just so true.

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[image loading]
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 01 2010 03:00 GMT
#105
On January 01 2010 11:44 Abyzou wrote:
You're definitely correct in that JD is just as 'bad' as Flash is, however, he is at least somewhat charismatic, he has a much better understanding of how to communicate with fans and just plain being an ambassador of SC, just like Boxer was/is. That's why I like him. He has heart. And fuckin' sick dance moves.


Jaedong is pretty much a social outcast. He doesn't talk much to anyone, avoids contact and tells himself before games and during practice he's going to kill his opponent? Flash is not the most charismatic guy either, not like Boxer at least (no one is), but he doesn't seem weird in any way to me (except his face twitching rofl)
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 01 2010 03:00 GMT
#106
On January 01 2010 11:53 MrHoon wrote:
lol so many flash fans in TL

If I heard this 2 years ago I would've died laughing

Y'all are bandwagoners.

There's nothing wrong with bandwagoning as long as you don't get off once the player starts to decline.
Jaedong
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 03:11:49
January 01 2010 03:06 GMT
#107
I don't know if you know this, OP, but all sports- in fact, all competitive endeavors- are subject to the same law. That is, "early variation and later standardization". Stephen J Gould had a fantastic set of articles where he wrote about this phenomena, and how it applied to both evolutionary biology and baseball. Did you know that at one point the massive dominance of the bilateral, multicellular, body-plan with specialized organs wasn't so assured (e.g., insects, vertebrates, other arthropods, etc.)? There were many more radially symmetrical multi-cellular organisms (of which some still exist), pancake shaped organisms, etc. There was a lot more deep variety. But a lot of them were just less efficient.

What you're seeing in Starcraft is just that. The wild and woolly days are over. The standardization phase is here. The game will lose certain fans- those in it for the wild and woolly plays- and it will keep others, those who are interested in the minutae of small decisions and factors that separate winners and losers these days. In other words, if you're going to get entertainment out of the game these days you also have to appreciate the subtleties of the game.

Just as fans of baseball who are really into the specifics of the game do- they get their enjoyment out of the little things, the nuances, the subtleties, as well as the decision making that goes into running a team. Baseball is pretty much completely figured out, after all, and I'm sure there are people who are like"yawn... another ground hit into a double play." etc. I used to get mad when football coaches pretty much always punted instead of "going for it" on 4th down- I mean hey, I often "went for it" in videogame football with my fake Field Goal passes! But of course in the real world the game becomes more standardized and you almost never see stuff like that, right?

There's no coincidence that as Starcraft gets more popular, the emphasis increasingly comes on Team Play. This is because more of the enjoyment for fans now comes from managing teams and all the decisions that go into that, just like it does in most other sports.
I will eat you alive
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 03:15:38
January 01 2010 03:12 GMT
#108
Errrr
response to the first post
If you don't like Flash's solid standard play then watch UpMagic. usually creative. but doesn't win as much.

edit: to bandwagoning. everybody follows this in some way. nobody has a great reason for liking every player. but its not bandwagoning is if you stay a fan of a person after decline etc. except for Boxer because everybody just yells that they like him.
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Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
January 01 2010 03:13 GMT
#109
On January 01 2010 11:53 MrHoon wrote:
lol so many flash fans in TL

If I heard this 2 years ago I would've died laughing

Y'all are bandwagoners.


Oh brother, i could say that about ANY player...
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 01 2010 03:14 GMT
#110
On January 01 2010 11:44 Abyzou wrote:
[image loading]


This thread sure went as expected.

Can I have a good nuke mods? I love Boxer way too much to say no.

Also, in case I didn't mention it? Flash is cancer and TL is full of frothing fanboys who eat that shit up. Oh and people who like 'loli', aka cartoon child pornography, and think it should be legalized. Totally cool dudes, see the attached image for my reaction.

It's true Best's loss prompted me to write this - I couldn't sleep because it was nagging me, so I had to post it. I've felt this way for a fucking long ass time though. You're definitely correct in that JD is just as 'bad' as Flash is, however, he is at least somewhat charismatic, he has a much better understanding of how to communicate with fans and just plain being an ambassador of SC, just like Boxer was/is. That's why I like him. He has heart. And fuckin' sick dance moves.

Also lol'd at the PM I got from someone, I feel so offended that someone dares message me and call me a retard.

Happy new years, you delightful queers. I've had some good fucking food and wine. <:

Adios.
so you write a post about how flash is boring and defensive and mechanical in response to a game where he reads his opponent and does an allin timing rush to punish HIM for aiming for a long macro game?
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Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
January 01 2010 03:15 GMT
#111
It's true Best's loss prompted me to write this - I couldn't sleep because it was nagging me, so I had to post it. I've felt this way for a fucking long ass time though.


This guy seriously lost sleep over someone in another country doing something well? He doesn't even know the kid.
☺ ☻
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 01 2010 03:17 GMT
#112
that "response" isnt helping you any bit.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
January 01 2010 03:32 GMT
#113
Flash fan boys clumped together to bash a troll.

Made my day.
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
January 01 2010 03:42 GMT
#114
Starcraft would be way more entertaining if they could show the first person view without giving people epilepsy.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 01 2010 03:42 GMT
#115
On January 01 2010 12:17 29 fps wrote:
that "response" isnt helping you any bit.


I'd say it actually made things worse considering he pretty much ignored every response in the entire thread and spouted more stupid bullshit, even throwing some random insults to the general population of TL in there.
BW forever || Thall
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 01 2010 03:45 GMT
#116
On January 01 2010 11:44 Abyzou wrote:
[image loading]


This thread sure went as expected.

Can I have a good nuke mods? I love Boxer way too much to say no.

Also, in case I didn't mention it? Flash is cancer and TL is full of frothing fanboys who eat that shit up. Oh and people who like 'loli', aka cartoon child pornography, and think it should be legalized. Totally cool dudes, see the attached image for my reaction.

It's true Best's loss prompted me to write this - I couldn't sleep because it was nagging me, so I had to post it. I've felt this way for a fucking long ass time though. You're definitely correct in that JD is just as 'bad' as Flash is, however, he is at least somewhat charismatic, he has a much better understanding of how to communicate with fans and just plain being an ambassador of SC, just like Boxer was/is. That's why I like him. He has heart. And fuckin' sick dance moves.

Also lol'd at the PM I got from someone, I feel so offended that someone dares message me and call me a retard.

Happy new years, you delightful queers. I've had some good fucking food and wine. <:

Adios.


So, to sum things up:

-You don't like Flash.
-You admit that everything you said about Flash applies to Jaedong as well, making you a hypocrite.
-You got so butthurt over Flash beating Best that you lost sleep over it. (just ROFLMAO)
-Then you call the rest of us 'pathetic'

Also IdrA just completely wrecked your shit.

But really man, you might want to seriously consider taking a break from SC watching if you can actually get so upset at a player that he makes you LOSE SLEEP.

To anyone else in this thread who is worried about Flash 'dominating SC', jesus people, it's only been like 2 months since Flash turned godmode on. Jaedong had a much longer reign and I didn't see anyone claiming "It's over, Brood War is finished, Jaedong broke the game"

Players will adapt, Flash's godmode will turn off eventually, life will go on.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 01 2010 03:59 GMT
#117
On December 31 2009 22:55 Abyzou wrote:
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Starcraft has become more and more frustrating, it has gotten to the point where I really need to write about it. I’m sure I’ll get tons of angry responses.

Starcraft is not as awesome as it used to be. I know people are going to whine I’m wearing thick nostalgia goggles, it’s only natural. Why is Starcraft in a decline? Because the game has become cold and mechanical, and the true idols with heart have faded out.

Flash is absolutely dominating at the moment and it’s really frustrating, both as a Starcraft enthusiast and as a fan of many players that are having a rough time atm.

I really dislike Flash, because he’s so uncharismatic. And he’s not fun to watch. What’s exciting about Starcraft is awesome, daring plays, back and forth action, all that juicy stuff. With Flash though we get nothing, and then "forth" action as he rolls out of his base and kills the other player off for being too greedy in getting bases. Flash also does a few other things like cheesing, well that’s all fine and dandy but it doesn’t really compensate. Flash is, at the end of the day, a macrobot with perfect mechanics, and he doesn’t have heart like the star players of old did. He’s the best but that doesn’t really matter when it’s not entertaining. I’m sure there are a whole fuckton of zealous fanboys here on TL who cream their pants when they watch him, but I think that to the majority of the audience, things like that don’t matter, what matters is entertaining games, stunning stratagems, matches that surprise you and keep you on the edge of your seat, etc. Instead, players like Flash dominate the players who’re actually entertaining. This is what the metagame has led up to, and that points us to a single conclusion: Starcraft rewards the least entertaining type of strategy the most of all.

SDM covered it quite well in his sole article on Gom: http://www.gomtv.net/mumbojumbo/column/1

We get these kids that are stunningly good, but the appeal is limited. And Starcraft as an e-sports is in decline. Entertaining plays take a back seat because of the corporate pressure on the teams to deliver results. Win win win. So many times, TL users fail to grasp these things because all they think is "But he’s winning, that’s all that matters." So typical.

I remember when Tasteless cast GOM and he and SDM were discussing Flash, the guy was as usual doing his defensive opener and you could just tell by the way they spoke that they were trying not to say he was boring. I think they ended up saying something along the lines of "he’s consistent".

It’s not all bad. But I think that Starcraft, at its core, is ephemeral, with a ticking clock that’s running out. It’s not as solid as a ‘real’ sport, because the game’s gotten (or is in the process of getting) figured out. There might be a few more "revolutions" to come but they’ll be minor. Maybe Dark Archons will become a staple of PvZ. Maybe Ghosts will gain a role in TvP. Maybe optical flare and restoration will find a place in certain builds. Or maybe Zerg will simply find new ways of raping even harder. The map rotation has done its part but it can only go so far in keeping it fresh.

Right now I have my hopes set for SC2. Blizzard promised that the game won’t rely on map design to stay balanced, at least not a first. If they can create a game that stays fresh for more than 10 years, I’ll be glad. The two expansion packs should help, bringing more units, map features, etc into the mix. Or maybe they screw up and we’ll get CS: Source all over again.

to summarize what he just said : flash is boring blah blah flash is boring
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 04:07:55
January 01 2010 04:04 GMT
#118
It's funny, because (P)BeSt is the most "uncharismatic" player in the game. And considering that Flash hasn't even won anything yet this season, this is a waste of a butthurt fan rant.

On December 31 2009 22:55 Abyzou wrote:
Flash is, at the end of the day, a macrobot

Sounds like Best, to me! In fact, that's the only Best can do right.
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yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 04:09:41
January 01 2010 04:06 GMT
#119
On January 01 2010 11:53 MrHoon wrote:
lol so many flash fans in TL

If I heard this 2 years ago I would've died laughing

Y'all are bandwagoners.
psh, ive been a fan of flash since the first time I saw him play, which was savior vs flash, blue storm, in the GSI. Though the "bandwagon" player on tl is def jaedong and not flash. Theres like 4 times as many jaedong fanboys as anyone else.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 01 2010 04:08 GMT
#120
On January 01 2010 12:45 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 11:44 Abyzou wrote:
[image loading]


This thread sure went as expected.

Can I have a good nuke mods? I love Boxer way too much to say no.

Also, in case I didn't mention it? Flash is cancer and TL is full of frothing fanboys who eat that shit up. Oh and people who like 'loli', aka cartoon child pornography, and think it should be legalized. Totally cool dudes, see the attached image for my reaction.

It's true Best's loss prompted me to write this - I couldn't sleep because it was nagging me, so I had to post it. I've felt this way for a fucking long ass time though. You're definitely correct in that JD is just as 'bad' as Flash is, however, he is at least somewhat charismatic, he has a much better understanding of how to communicate with fans and just plain being an ambassador of SC, just like Boxer was/is. That's why I like him. He has heart. And fuckin' sick dance moves.

Also lol'd at the PM I got from someone, I feel so offended that someone dares message me and call me a retard.

Happy new years, you delightful queers. I've had some good fucking food and wine. <:

Adios.


So, to sum things up:

-You don't like Flash.
-You admit that everything you said about Flash applies to Jaedong as well, making you a hypocrite.
-You got so butthurt over Flash beating Best that you lost sleep over it. (just ROFLMAO)
-Then you call the rest of us 'pathetic'

Also IdrA just completely wrecked your shit.

But really man, you might want to seriously consider taking a break from SC watching if you can actually get so upset at a player that he makes you LOSE SLEEP.

To anyone else in this thread who is worried about Flash 'dominating SC', jesus people, it's only been like 2 months since Flash turned godmode on. Jaedong had a much longer reign and I didn't see anyone claiming "It's over, Brood War is finished, Jaedong broke the game"

Players will adapt, Flash's godmode will turn off eventually, life will go on.


Feels like Jaedongs reign was weaker than this tho and somethings telling me Flash isn't gonna stop for a while.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
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