EPTOn January 01 2010 01:00 Zoler wrote:
Jaedong is a god.
Flash is a god.
Bisu is a god of the occasional fail.
whats ur point
Jaedong is a god.
Flash is a god.
Bisu is a god of the occasional fail.
whats ur point
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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dasanivan
United States532 Posts
Flash is a genius, and I can't say I've ever seen a genius who was boring. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 31 2009 22:55 Abyzou wrote: I remember when Tasteless cast GOM and he and SDM were discussing Flash, the guy was as usual doing his defensive opener and you could just tell by the way they spoke that they were trying not to say he was boring. I think they ended up saying something along the lines of "he’s consistent". stop trolling | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Anyone who calls Flash a macrobot is either trolling, or doesn't understand Starcraft enough to see the depth of his play beyond his macro. The fact is, that his strategies are more complex and daring than the stuff you'd see in the old days from a player like Boxer. Strategies don't need to be obvious to be intelligent and daring. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 01 2010 01:23 TheYango wrote: Anything I could say has already been said before. The only thing I'll add is that you should go read the most recent TLFE. Anyone who calls Flash a macrobot is either trolling, or doesn't understand Starcraft enough to see the depth of his play beyond his macro. he is starcraft | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
Yeah. This argument actually makes it look like you have no clue of what you're talking about. Flash is tasteless' favorite non-protoss player, and he has always made clear he loves watching flash. It's like watching tennis and Federer in his prime. You consider a tournament boring just because Federer raped 5 out of 6 opponents? Or rather take Nadal as an example, which alot of people accuse of having a boring style. Does Nadal not produce epic games too? Is it impossible to be struck by awe watching Nadal even though you hate him? Bullcrap arguments dude. The level of perfection these players bring to the table is what makes it exciting to watch. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
In football, Chelsea are brutal to watch. They play a direct, attacking style that constantly wears down on the opponent's back line and they seem to always score from set pieces or deflections just by sheer ragged force of will. Arsenal, on the other hand, constantly pass and produce brilliant play and finishes. Arsenal hasn't won anything in four years. People constantly call for the firing of Arsene Wenger, but the bosses keep him around. There are other things more important than winning endless trophies to ArsenalFC. It really depends how you approach Starcraft. It's not like Flash is going to win forever. There are dark times in every sport depending on what type of game you enjoy. I was personally offended every time the Patriots won a superbowl. But guess what? Those years when the 49'ers were destroying kids? I was in love. If you can't stomach Flash for his style, don't watch him - good thing about Starcraft -- There are millions of games!! | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
Do u realize how badly would most of current players , not just Jaedong and Flash - rape the hell out of old school stars at their prime ? If lets say Zero would travel in time and get back to 2004 - this would be rape without competition. Tho in my opinion starcraft might be far away from being perfected. Every single detail matters. In 2008 - it was all the same. Yet the game evolved dramatically - mech tvz and so on. It is because someone discovered some details - that all others did miss - and made a useless strategy - a great one. Not every detail is noticed yet. Even definiton of detail can change into more detailed one as the evolution of the game progresses. The game will evolve and I believe that a complete change of playstyles/strategies is highly possible if not sure. If the game is perfectly evolved - then even 8 minerals could decide the outcome - and noone would be suprised at that. I know it sounds ridicilous but in 2002 - if u said that - most people would laugh and mock you, ' wat a tard' Nowadays you would call these mockers 'tards' , wouldn`t you ? Propably. Its narrow-minded. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
When we look at nearly every other sport on the planet, the innovation that still occurs in SC is impressive. Whether we're talking about physical sports like football, baseball, or competitive games like Chess, there really isn't anything close to the constant turnover and fresh maps/ideas that we see in SC. To top it all off, there are so many more games of SC played, which only reinforces the amazing strategic depth of SC. Perhaps it's because, compared to many people on TL, I never watches Boxer in his prime, but I've never been really bored with the macro style that Flash employs. Some of my favorite games of 2009 were games like Really v. Kal where Really just pulls off a flawless timing push. And Flash's TvZ's recently have just been excellent, because the decision making and control is so flawless. Perhaps, instead of looking for the flashy cheesy plays, we can find the real beauty in sublimely executed long game strategies. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
The other point of OP is that TvT is boring. Then don't watch it. There are plenty of great games to watch instead. Ruby went 18port wraith against Skyhigh. Leta went nukes against Pure and played a hell of a game. Bisu vs. Iris stands for itself as an AMAZING set. If it was all mechanics and macro, there would be a certain protoss in the ****** OSL Ro4! Go Starcraft and go this weeks SPL. Flash vs FBH!!! | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
I for one will sympathize. It sucks if a game you used to like is just getting owned by a single player that you don't like. If, say, Effort were winning absolutely everything and CJ fans were sprouting out of the ground, I would feel annoyed too. (For some reason I don't like Effort as much as he probably deserves... I guess I just want Jaedong to stay on the throne for ever and ever. No offense, CJ fans! Same with Calm, now that I think about it.) So I would say, learn to take what you can from Flash's play. He's got a long career ahead of him, believe me. Especially for the next couple months (and maybe the next couple years), if you hate Flash, you really will start to hate starcraft. Also try and see if instead of hating him, you can "love to hate" him; like, cast him as a dramatic villain mastermind when you watch SC :D | ||
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NiGoL
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Moridin
Bulgaria165 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
Also, if what you said was true, then players like Flash would never lose, yet Hyun managed to beat him by utilizing a tactical error compunded by a geographic feature on Match Point to take him down in a spectacualar display of muta micro. That's smart play, not mechanical. Just because today's plays require higher apm and perfect execution doesn't diminish the strategic options of the players. It actually opens them up. A build that comes to fruition in 15 minutes is no less intriguing that one that peaks in 5-7 minutes, and actually has many more intricacies and variations because of the length of time at which you are, essentially, at the mercy of your opponent's own strategy. I feel that this thread's premise is purely nostalgic without a solid look into today's scene at all. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
Yes the games are pretty standard these days and some of it is pretty one sided but thats when rooting to see good players face each other is fun. Think of it as building hype. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On January 01 2010 00:52 konadora wrote: i think this thread should be more like "Why I hate Flash" On January 01 2010 01:30 Xiphos wrote: I think the OP should change the title to "Why I hate Flash". Funny because I was thinking the same thing. | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
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