EPTObviously serious. It by no means takes a lot of talent to become a doctor. It takes a lot of effort, and a willingness to have your life revolve around it (and have to deal with pressure). Talent? .. not really.
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errol1001
454 Posts
Obviously serious. It by no means takes a lot of talent to become a doctor. It takes a lot of effort, and a willingness to have your life revolve around it (and have to deal with pressure). Talent? .. not really. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
what is hard at beeing a doctor? Maybe i see it in that because i come from an academic family, but doctor is like lawyer. you chose it, study it and then with time, you're a doctor. nothing hard there. | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:41 SkytoM wrote: troll?To be a progamer is definitly A LOT harder than to be a doctor.. what is hard at beeing a doctor? Maybe i see it in that because i come from an academic family, but doctor is like lawyer. you chose it, study it and then with time, you're a doctor. nothing hard there. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:17 Ilvy wrote: Every person got his own dream and it would not stop at any age. I am happy he tried it out and could make a clean end when his time comes. He never will question himself "what if?" Jos is a great person and he will make his way whenever he wants and hey you could make kids until you are 80 and if you have trouble just use Viagra :D I can but you can't, haaa-haaa | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 28 2009 20:49 Elroi wrote: I mean, I think Dark Elf from CJ became a lawyer in about 4 years after quitting progaming. LOL Kid's been a progamer for like 4 years. Most people cannot become doctors you idiots. Stop bringing up this inane point, becoming a doctor is much harder than you think. I know this is teamliquid and not studentdoc but seriously get a fucking clue. It requires much more dedication than moving a bunch of units around on a screen. You study for 4 years in college, getting about a 3.6 gpa or so minimum at least with about a 3.5 in sciences AND you have to do well on MCAT, competing against the brightest people in the world. This doesn't include all the other shit medical schools look for, such as volunteering, leadership activities, research experience etc. that you have to do while studying all day with no social life. Then you do another 4 years or so years of medical school where you learn all the shit you need to know, memorizing everything AND retaining it all. It's not like college where you learn everything for the final, regurgitate it on a piece of paper, then forget about it for the rest of your life. Oh wait, you probably wouldn't know because most likely, you haven't even graduated high school yet and know nothing of the real world. You also have to do 3~7 years of residency depending on your specialty where you get paid jack shit, like $50,000 a year and work like 80 hours a week (surgical residents can work up to 110 hours a week). Compare this to your mom or dad who probably works 40 hours a week and comes home tired as shit from it. It's 36 hour days separated by 12 hour rests for years! You kids get impressed if a progamer says in an interview that he practiced for 14 hours a day for a week to prepare for a series. Pretty much each step of the way takes more effort and lasts longer than an average progaming career. You need more talent, dedication and intelligence to be a doctor than to be a progamer. A progamer plays a fucking game for a living. There are only so many strategies and so many styles of playing. Do you know how many diseases there are to know? You have to know their symptoms, causes, treatments, etc. It sounds like nothing if I type it out here but it's a ridiculous amount of information to learn. If it's so easy to be a doctor, then why doesn't everyone do it like you say? God you kids are stupid. On December 28 2009 23:36 UlyssesPro wrote: I don't mean to be picky, but I don't think this piece qualifies as an essay. Usually an essay takes the reader on a "journey towards understanding", that is, it helps us follow the path the author took to come to a greater understanding of whatever it is he or she is writing about. This piece carries little to no evidence of the author's assumptions about either Korean culture or Korean sociology and seems highly generalize. For Example "Koreans are fucking xenophobic as fuck. They are not happy go lucky to foreigners at all " Could we not say the exact same about Americans? Consider recent American attitude toward Hispanic immigrants / laborers etc. Mainstream news would have us believe they are stealing jobs and running drugs, both of which are simply 100 percent overgeneralized and oversimplified. I hope TL reconsiders what it chooses to feature on the homepage in the future. I think his post was very good, but your point about illegal immigrants is very good. They were even featured in the health care debate, in which congressmen stated that they didn't want to waste money helping immigrants have health care on the taxpayer's dime, which makes sense, but isn't exactly the most tolerant of positions. On December 29 2009 01:37 GreEny K wrote: But isn't that the same thing idrA did when he was in US? He just played all day or am I wrong? That is just what I hear and it seems logical to me.. Anyway, what's going on with ret? How is it his fault that the koreans don't want to play him, they don't think they should waste their time playing him because they are better yet they want to play REAL pros and learn from them... just doesn't make sense to me how they think. I want to get better so ima play better people but I dont want to give a worse player that same chance... Just stupid. One last thing, how the hell DID IdrA get on CJ, I never heard that story. And for people who think he can put in a good word for ret and get him over to CJ rek said it perfectly, "they don't give a fuck what idra thinks." Right. Hmmm I want to be a known progamer and get a chance to play a televised game. I want to improve myself and I am competing against hundreds of other players who have the exact goal as me. Should I help out some kid who I can't even communicate with and will hypothetically take my spot and limit my options if he turns out to be better than me or should I attempt to better myself by seeking out better opponents and learning from their experience and skills? Yes, how stupid of them. | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:41 SkytoM wrote: To be a progamer is definitly A LOT harder than to be a doctor.. what is hard at beeing a doctor? Maybe i see it in that because i come from an academic family, but doctor is like lawyer. you chose it, study it and then with time, you're a doctor. nothing hard there. ? That argument is literally identical to a progamer. You choose it, study it, and with time you're a progamer. Nothing hard there. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:45 Chill wrote: ? That argument is literally identical to a progamer. You choose it, study it, and with time you're a progamer. Nothing hard there. to become a licenced doctor you have to finish high school and than take 6+x years (6+8 for neurosurgery), so it takes a little bit more time than to become a progamer. | ||
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1984
Ukraine115 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:45 Chill wrote: ? That argument is literally identical to a progamer. You choose it, study it, and with time you're a progamer. Nothing hard there. The main difference is competitiveness, it's insane in case of Korean SC and almost non-existent in medicine, at least compared to progaming. The point I'm trying to make is that becoming a progamer is more complex (i.e. not everybody will succeed no matter how much time they spend and how hard they try), while becoming a doctor is harder (the total amount of work and time spent is larger but if you're interested and not stupid you will be fine). | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
Doctor... are you serious you are comparing being a DOCTOR to a progamer? Wow you guys are unbelivibly ignorant. 10 hours a day cannot be compared to 38 hour shifts! I was in med-school (changed major for financial reasons) and let me tell you 7% of the people that join med-school actually have what it takes. I did rounds in hospital I worked 24 hour shifts in several hospital... Until you have been there and see what is really like please shut up. Videogame player to Doctor. WOW! Just wow... A SC game is far from being as complicated as a surgery. I vote for this thread to be closed. Comments are way off topic this is a flame war and stupidity has reached new heights. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:55 1984 wrote: The main difference is competitiveness, it's insane in case of Korean SC and almost non-existent in medicine, at least compared to progaming. The point I'm trying to make is that becoming a progamer is more complex (i.e. not everybody will succeed no matter how much time they spend and how hard they try), while becoming a doctor is harder (the total amount of work and time spent is larger but if you're interested and not stupid you will be fine). I agree. Can we just agree they're both difficult in their own rights? I think this is a silly argument to continue with  | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:53 s.a.y wrote: to become a licenced doctor you have to finish high school and than take 6+x years (6+8 for neurosurgery), so it takes a little bit more time than to become a progamer. A little more time? read my post you ignorant kid On December 29 2009 02:55 1984 wrote: The main difference is competitiveness, it's insane in case of Korean SC and almost non-existent in medicine, at least compared to progaming. The point I'm trying to make is that becoming a progamer is more complex (i.e. not everybody will succeed no matter how much time they spend and how hard they try), while becoming a doctor is harder (the total amount of work and time spent is larger but if you're interested and not stupid you will be fine). Right, there's absolutely no competition in medicine. That's why people are weeded out in college based on their gpa using classes such as biology, organic chemistry, physics and then by their mcat score, then by their respective activities, then by their respective merits. Once they're in med school, not only do they have to memorize everything that they learn and retain it without flunking out, they have to pass 3 different tests (once every two years iirc) and do well to get the specialty that they want. Even when you get to become a doctor, not everyone does well. Progaming is nothing compared to medicine, get this into your heads geeks. You don't know shit about becoming a doctor. On December 29 2009 02:57 Chill wrote: I agree. Can we just agree they're both difficult in their own rights? I think this is a silly argument to continue with Really Chill? You agree with that moron? It might be hard to make a name for yourself in progaming, but there is no way that progaming is even close to being as competitive as medicine is. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:58 Arhkangel wrote: IF YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR STOP COMPARING PALYING SC TO BEING IN MED SCHOOL! Okay, if you are not a progamer I would ask you also stop making the comparison. And since you are neither a doctor nor a progamer, I seriously question why you are in this thread by your own request. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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city42
1656 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:59 ghostWriter wrote: A little more time? read my post you ignorant kid Hey Shakespeare, ever heard of understatement? | ||
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1984
Ukraine115 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:59 ghostWriter wrote: Really Chill? You agree with that moron? It might be hard to make a name for yourself in progaming, but there is no way that progaming is even close to being as competitive as medicine is. Ok, I really hope you're not mentally deficient, otherwise it's pointless to continue. Drop-out rate at medical schools is less than 10%, actually 10% was a major concern somewhere so it's usually even lower (you can google it). And then compare it to hordes of koreans who try to become progamers but very few of them succeed. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7804 Posts
The idea is that being a progamer is interesting only if you are, let say, top 40 in the world. Spending 3 / 4 years in a house playing 12+ hours a day and not doing anything else than some B-team internal league and online tournament is just fucking sad. Life is short, there are many many things to do. Girls to meet, great places to go, amazing books to read, incredible amount of things to learn and to enjoy. Being a top thier progamer worths it for some people (even if you asked me if I would like to be Jaedong, I would say no way), but otherwise, it's just a good way to throw away the best years of your life for no reward, at all. So probably, becoming a doctor is not easier than being a bad progamer, but I really think being good enough that it becomes inetersting, that's really much harder than almost anything else. For a huge majority of people, that's just impossible. Rekrul is right. The problem is not that you shouldn't follow your dreams, the problem is that it's not a dream, it's a nightmare. For everybody except some people blessed by the Gods of Starcraft. And none of us is one of them. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 29 2009 02:28 Chill wrote: What is your point? He knew what he was getting into so he deserves no credit? I don't even see what you are driving at. I said he is doing what no one else could or can. And for that he deserves an incredible amount of respect. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying did he know what he was getting into, he must have since he dedicated so much time to get to Korea. So either he knew they treat foreigners that way and still decided to go or he decided to stay there anyway. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
Think about it this way: There are two 15-year-old kids, both know nothing about progaming and medicine. One is told he is going to become a progamer, the other is told he is going to become a doctor. They both want to become what they are told to become. Who has the higher LIKELIHOOD of becoming the profession they are told/want to become? Becoming a doctor is just a higher probability field. If you put in the work, and there is a ton of it over a long period of time, you will make it. I don't think the same is true for becoming a progamer. There are too many people also putting in the work that you have to be better than. | ||
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