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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
December 28 2009 14:39 GMT
#321
24 is still young, it's the years after that rapidly catch up. When you're 26, 27 you start to think "fuck"

If there was a chance in hell of being successful at Starcraft I'd say do it without even worrying about your age, but it's honestly an unattainable goal. Not that Ret has to take it in any way but my advice would be to put your energy into winning TSL2, enjoy that money and pursue another goal in the interim and try out SC2 where there might actually be the potential achieve success, which there just isn't in SC
StalkerSC
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada378 Posts
December 28 2009 14:41 GMT
#322
"I'd fucking get out my KTF baseball bat and tell them in that case play him 5 games right now if you lose a single game you're getting the fucking beats. But thats just me, and thats a perfect world. This is not me, this is koreans and their koreans way, in a very imperfect progaming world that turns it's players into slaves." 100% true. It made me LOL.
IIf your good at Starcraft, Your good at life. - Artosis
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2584 Posts
December 28 2009 15:30 GMT
#323
Wow, never expected it to be this tough on foreigners in progaming teams there. Ret, getting into professional starcraft would already be such a huge success to me. : D
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
a11
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany300 Posts
December 28 2009 16:16 GMT
#324
On December 28 2009 23:36 UlyssesPro wrote:
I don't mean to be picky, but I don't think this piece qualifies as an essay. Usually an essay takes the reader on a "journey towards understanding", that is, it helps us follow the path the author took to come to a greater understanding of whatever it is he or she is writing about.

This piece carries little to no evidence of the author's assumptions about either Korean culture or Korean sociology and seems highly generalize. For Example

"Koreans are fucking xenophobic as fuck. They are not happy go lucky to foreigners at all "

Could we not say the exact same about Americans? Consider recent American attitude toward Hispanic immigrants / laborers etc. Mainstream news would have us believe they are stealing jobs and running drugs, both of which are simply 100 percent overgeneralized and oversimplified.

I hope TL reconsiders what it chooses to feature on the homepage in the future.

I just want to point out, it wasn't Rekrul who called it an essay.
AureS
Profile Joined June 2007
France108 Posts
December 28 2009 16:17 GMT
#325
i totaly agree with rekrul post
iG.SwOrD
Profile Joined October 2009
Bulgaria183 Posts
December 28 2009 16:33 GMT
#326
On December 28 2009 23:26 AstraBoy wrote:
lol
come on the guy is 24!!!! he must be looking for a GF and get married, have his own house, a profession, etc
not trying to be pro at a video game OMFG O_O

24 !!!!!


24 is a lot. He should forget his unrealistic teen dreams because they will never happen , not in this life. Koreans will never open for any foreigner , they will never accept him as a player from their own.
He should really ask himself what he wants to achieve with his life.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2009 16:37 GMT
#327
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.

Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.

If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.



But isn't that the same thing idrA did when he was in US? He just played all day or am I wrong? That is just what I hear and it seems logical to me..

Anyway, what's going on with ret? How is it his fault that the koreans don't want to play him, they don't think they should waste their time playing him because they are better yet they want to play REAL pros and learn from them... just doesn't make sense to me how they think. I want to get better so ima play better people but I dont want to give a worse player that same chance... Just stupid. One last thing, how the hell DID IdrA get on CJ, I never heard that story. And for people who think he can put in a good word for ret and get him over to CJ rek said it perfectly, "they don't give a fuck what idra thinks."
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
December 28 2009 16:47 GMT
#328
Idra got on CJ because he took stork to the late late game in a TvP at either blizzcon or WWI, I can't remember. It was a really nice long macro game. CJ coaches took interest in him because of that, or at least that was what was circulated here.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 16:56:01
December 28 2009 16:52 GMT
#329
On December 29 2009 01:47 Tropics wrote:
Idra got on CJ because he took stork to the late late game in a TvP at either blizzcon or WWI, I can't remember. It was a really nice long macro game. CJ coaches took interest in him because of that, or at least that was what was circulated here.

Idra won a tournament, open only to North American players, and the prize was to become a progamer.

edit: Actually, I think you were saying that CJ took him from his old team (estro I think?) because of that performance vs. stork. That may well be the case.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25974 Posts
December 28 2009 16:52 GMT
#330
On December 29 2009 01:37 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.

Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.

If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.

But isn't that the same thing idrA did when he was in US? He just played all day or am I wrong? That is just what I hear and it seems logical to me..

He also went to school, had family to talk to, familiar food, language and culture, had freedom to stop if he wanted, and slept in his own bed. Believe yourself to be as mentally tough as you want, that shit adds up.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 28 2009 16:57 GMT
#331
people who think u can compare mass gaming at home with korean pro gamer practice are totally unaware of several things..

seriously
hatred outlives the hateful
MuscLe
Profile Joined January 2009
United States29 Posts
December 28 2009 17:05 GMT
#332
Now all the trolls on the website are gonna come here and agree since Rekrul posted something about this.
Find a way to win.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
December 28 2009 17:11 GMT
#333
If training 12 hours a day non stop made you the best, then Boxer would not have lost against G5 AND White-RA in the same tounament. Same goes for EffOrt, even thought it was a proxy I heard? Even then, the practice should make you almost invincible against proxies.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2009 17:12 GMT
#334
On December 29 2009 01:52 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 01:37 GreEny K wrote:
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.

Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.

If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.

But isn't that the same thing idrA did when he was in US? He just played all day or am I wrong? That is just what I hear and it seems logical to me..

He also went to school, had family to talk to, familiar food, language and culture, had freedom to stop if he wanted, and slept in his own bed. Believe yourself to be as mentally tough as you want, that shit adds up.



You got a point there, but he was willing to give it up (obviously), was he aware of what it would be like?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 28 2009 17:17 GMT
#335
On December 28 2009 23:26 AstraBoy wrote:
lol
come on the guy is 24!!!! he must be looking for a GF and get married, have his own house, a profession, etc
not trying to be pro at a video game OMFG O_O

24 !!!!!


Every person got his own dream and it would not stop at any age.
I am happy he tried it out and could make a clean end when his time comes. He never will question himself "what if?"
Jos is a great person and he will make his way whenever he wants and hey you could make kids until you are 80 and if you have trouble just use Viagra :D
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
December 28 2009 17:22 GMT
#336
On December 28 2009 12:54 toopham wrote:
All you guys are fuking bandwagon jumpers.
Rekrul post something bad about estro and the koreans and about ret and you all agree.

When I posted something bad about estro and how badly they treated ret and how Estro coaching suck balls, motherfuckers tell me I should "blog it" or that I am very wrong and shouldn't be saying those things against Estro because they've done so much for foreigners.

NeverGG even tell me to watch what I say because Estro coaches lurk this forum.
And then I get my thread closed because I am a nobody making a post.

It seems like the only way you can make a thread around here is if you're well known.

it's just fucking sad.

i'd have to agree with toopham
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
gjg.instinct
Profile Joined May 2009
144 Posts
December 28 2009 17:23 GMT
#337
I think a few points Rekrul touched on have some merit; In Korea, I would I imagine someone with such a large physical constitution, like Ret, is probably met with some distaste. That part of the world is no stranger to famine and shortage, and a huge westerner personifies the hostility some people have towards the west. He also seems old relative to the entire programing scene. I have also never been able to figure out how people go to Korea without taking even a crash course in Korean...every piece of footage of foreigners in Korea indicates that they can't even muster a few words of Korean; what would you expect in any country with that kind of cultural barrier. Yea it's a difficult language to learn for westerners, but there have to be some basics.

Highly skeptical of the idea of Koreans being "xenophobic". Although I have never been there, I have always known Koreans to be well mannered and helpful online, and always eager to converse if you give them a chance to use their English. In my head I can name a few Koreans who have gone out of their way, with no benefit for themselves, to help me practice / learn strategies. A dude I played with even e-mailed me from the military to see how I was doing.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 28 2009 17:23 GMT
#338
On December 29 2009 02:12 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 01:52 Chill wrote:
On December 29 2009 01:37 GreEny K wrote:
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.

Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.

If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.

But isn't that the same thing idrA did when he was in US? He just played all day or am I wrong? That is just what I hear and it seems logical to me..

He also went to school, had family to talk to, familiar food, language and culture, had freedom to stop if he wanted, and slept in his own bed. Believe yourself to be as mentally tough as you want, that shit adds up.



You got a point there, but he was willing to give it up (obviously), was he aware of what it would be like?


I dunno if he know exactly what comes but i think its exactly the part of Idra ppl hate that makes him successfull there, he is a stubborn streight forward guy with a big ego. "Don´t care what ppl think about me, i do what i want"
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2009 17:25 GMT
#339
On December 29 2009 02:22 YPang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 12:54 toopham wrote:
All you guys are fuking bandwagon jumpers.
Rekrul post something bad about estro and the koreans and about ret and you all agree.

When I posted something bad about estro and how badly they treated ret and how Estro coaching suck balls, motherfuckers tell me I should "blog it" or that I am very wrong and shouldn't be saying those things against Estro because they've done so much for foreigners.

NeverGG even tell me to watch what I say because Estro coaches lurk this forum.
And then I get my thread closed because I am a nobody making a post.

It seems like the only way you can make a thread around here is if you're well known.

it's just fucking sad.

i'd have to agree with toopham


Rofl, why would it matter that eSTRO coaches lurk the forum? Is saying something bad about them going to get me shot or banned? Lol... If anything, this provokes me to insult them just to see what they say...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25974 Posts
December 28 2009 17:28 GMT
#340
On December 29 2009 02:12 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 01:52 Chill wrote:
On December 29 2009 01:37 GreEny K wrote:
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.

Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.

If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.

But isn't that the same thing idrA did when he was in US? He just played all day or am I wrong? That is just what I hear and it seems logical to me..

He also went to school, had family to talk to, familiar food, language and culture, had freedom to stop if he wanted, and slept in his own bed. Believe yourself to be as mentally tough as you want, that shit adds up.



You got a point there, but he was willing to give it up (obviously), was he aware of what it would be like?

What is your point? He knew what he was getting into so he deserves no credit? I don't even see what you are driving at. I said he is doing what no one else could or can. And for that he deserves an incredible amount of respect.
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