None of them count, I believe. Scourge suicide, so I don't think it counts as a death, canceled eggs definitely don't count, and morphing units aren't included in the triggers. Not sure, though.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

October 05 2009 02:01 GMT

#104

On October 05 2009 09:53 Scaramanga wrote:

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What if it was flash, leta, fantasy and skyhigh?

Flash and Fantasy on the same team = terribad. I would choose Iris over skyhigh personally.

If Canata was one of them it would likely draw somehow.

United States3249 Posts

October 05 2009 02:03 GMT

#105

Yeah this has been around for a long time in chess and is quite popular online.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

October 05 2009 02:08 GMT

#106

I'm in op irc if anyone wants to play some games of this at a lower skill level. (D+/C- ish)

cakemanofdoom

336 Posts

October 05 2009 02:12 GMT

#107

On October 05 2009 11:01 Nevuk wrote:

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Flash and Fantasy on the same team = terribad. I would choose Iris over skyhigh personally.

If Canata was one of them it would likely draw somehow.

Why would Flash and Fantasy be terrible on a team together? Sorry for noobness.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

October 05 2009 02:15 GMT

#108

On October 05 2009 11:12 cakemanofdoom wrote:

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Why would Flash and Fantasy be terrible on a team together? Sorry for noobness.

They wouldn't really be terrible, but I'd shoot myself before watching it. (Both of them can turtle really hard and effectively). Actually, Flash and Fantasy are in the same clan so they would likely make a very good team, but it doesn't seem like it would be entertaining.

Ian Ian Ian

915 Posts

October 05 2009 03:27 GMT

#109

It seems like eventuallly this map is going to have to go down one of two paths soon. It either one, can be identical to melee, but imo, perhaps imbalanced because of various tech issues. Or you can make it more like a UMS and solve some of the tech issues. ie having some units start off with their upgrades. Without that, it could come to a point where your constantly being fed units from an off-race that you don't even want/don't help you at all.

I don't see lag ever becoming a problem, or CCMU. CCMU kicks in at around like 1400 objects or something like that I think. Stuff like screenlag/sprite lag would only become an issue in a long game with tons of units. Which I also don't see happening, games would ne very quick imo.

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

October 05 2009 03:55 GMT

#110

Infested terrans must be hilarious.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

October 05 2009 04:39 GMT

#111

It seems much less workable with multiple races, but zz v zz I actually think would be incredibly unusual on the map. (I played a zvz with pvt earlier, very strange game). I managed to lose 2 games after getting ridiculous advantages, one where I killed every unit, scv, etc. and my opponent just floated and waited for units. Kind of my fault, but still.

Scaramanga

Australia8091 Posts

October 05 2009 04:51 GMT

#112

On October 05 2009 11:15 Nevuk wrote:

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Wait let me get this straight, you dont enjoy games like

this?

Jyvblamo

Canada13788 Posts

October 05 2009 04:52 GMT

#113

This concept sounds interesting. Can we get some replays of games?

selboN

United States2523 Posts

October 05 2009 04:54 GMT

#114

This is awesome looking! I will definitely test this out! Thanks!!

ForTheSwarm

United States556 Posts

October 05 2009 04:57 GMT

#115

This new version looks EVEN MOAR awesome! Thanks for the maps!

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

October 05 2009 05:00 GMT

#116

Neither Flash nor Fantasy turtle in TvT. Canata used to be infamous for it, but he hasn't played TvT in a while. It'd be more awesome to watch aggressive players on this map, for obvious reasons.

oBlade

United States5775 Posts

October 05 2009 05:18 GMT

#117

At the very least, this deserves entry into future events that are like the Ironman tournament.

Kyadytim

United States886 Posts

October 05 2009 06:14 GMT

#118

I played a bunch of games on it, and ran into some problems. First off, killing tanks in siege mode when they go to a Zerg or Protoss player makes almost useless tanks, because those tanks can't be moved short of recall.
Second, there needs to be some penalty for massing static defense. I played one P(me)T vs ZP, and my Zerg opponent built several screens of sunken colonies, essentially stalemating our side of the map, as I was psi blocked from the incoming units my ally killed and couldn't build units that could break the sunkens without taking losses that would overrun my ally.

Excluding mass sunkens, games where one team has a Terran and the other doesn't seem to break, as both Zerg and Protoss tend to lose massive quantities of units to the Terran simply to buy time for tech or econ to kick in. This is especially true for PvT, where the Protoss player's ally gets vultures without speed or mines and tanks that can't siege or can't unsiege. The only exception is really good mutalisk harass, which will create a large imbalance on the other side for a while if nothing much has been exchanged yet.

Other thoughts:
There is no real penalty for sending the civilian off to scout right away or repeatedly, as your opponent gets nothing from killing it in the early game. It's like having a map hack.
Playing a PZ vs ZP, the course of the game an overall stronger Zerg army in play than Protoss. The game saw both Protoss players pushed back up their ramps as the number of Zerg units in play kept growing. It was pretty epic, but came fairly close to stalemating. The ensuing micro intense battle involving absurdly large armies was pretty epic, too.

Trozz

Canada3456 Posts

October 05 2009 06:34 GMT

#119

I want to play this.
I'll be on monday evening
(Pacific time zone).