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Hello TL,
I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it.
THIS GAME IS FRIGHTENING. So much multitasking, no building multi-select, no auto mine, and the worst one to me is, NO BIG CONTROL GROUPS. If I wanna play Zerg, how the hell am I gonna send a force of more then 24 zerglings running in at a line into the scary Terran seige tank - bunker base?! I haven't installed any ladders yet, I still can't beat a computer with any of the races! I think I like Terran the most though, that sexy medic. I hate how you cant stim with a medic in your control group though! Hopefully I will get the hang of this scary game. Any tips about installing ladders, build orders, general strategy or unit counters would be much appreciated as I can't even beat the a.i!
I will keep updated on my progress 
  
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lol this post made my day
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serious...?
honestly i ld suggest you would start with terran  And if you find the medic already sexy... wait for the valkyrie. I fucking love her
hot german xD
they are way cooler than in sc2. And yes Apm is actually useful in bw...
hot valk voice xD
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And there's always cannons morphing underneath your bed
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Just wait till you see Lurkers
On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:Hello TL, I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it. THIS GAME IS FRIGHTENING. So much multitasking, no building multi-select, no auto mine, and the worst one to me is, NO BIG CONTROL GROUPS. If I wanna play Zerg, how the hell am I gonna send a force of more then 24 zerglings running in at a line into the scary Terran seige tank - bunker base?! I haven't installed any ladders yet, I still can't beat a computer with any of the races! I think I like Terran the most though, that sexy medic. I hate how you cant stim with a medic in your control group though! Hopefully I will get the hang of this scary game. Any tips about installing ladders, build orders, general strategy or unit counters would be much appreciated as I can't even beat the a.i! I will keep updated on my progress
Have fun dude, the reason I loved BW so much was that I had fun even if I lost.
I would suggest starting out with Protoss, its the easiest race to begin with and very simple, very powerful. To beat AI just get used to expanding and building units (just build zealots and dragoons, thats all you need). The AI just does a really terrible all-in and then is pretty useless after that.
Once you beat the AI, try installing Iccup and join the sgs clan. You will find lots of people like you who are just starting out and will be willing to play some games (hopefully).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674
I would suggest learning early pressure builds to start out with (2 gate dragoon PvT, 2 gate zealot PvZ). The reason is you will just straight up die in the 1st min with macro openings until you have good micro and gamesense. You probably won't start winning games till after about a 100 losses  but don't give up, because winning your first Iccup game is the best feeling in the world.
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Just a general thing to practice - can pick up some micro maps to help you out - but practice your 1a2a3a. :p
Get used to separating units to a certain extent in your control groups. There's also the shift+click/Ctrl+click on the unit..icons? in your middle interface.
I mean this in the nicest way possible - don't bother with any of the ladders until yuo can beat the snot out of an AI or three. ^^;
Check out Liquipedia, and look in the BW Strat section - theres a lot of posts like this in there that have great tips on easy-to-learn openings and such!
Welcome to BW, and have fun! :D
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One of the biggest changes from bw to sc2 is the unlimited unit selection. I still miss the old days of sc/bw where it took skill just to move around a maxed army fluently. I believe that alot of top zergs dont even hotkey some of their units, and instead have their rally points set to 1 spot, and then as they attack they use up the control groups, and then manualyl select 12 and attack over and over until all the units are moving.
I still miss the fact that you couldnt even have marines and medics on the same hotkey as it doesnt let you use stim, and instead constantly had to rehotkey units as you made them. Good times.
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If you like terran and you want to beat the ai just build a bunker outside his base and send 2 scvs to repair it (the ai is so retarded that he will keep attacking the bunker and not the scvs). just don't let the ai expand, for some strange reason they are very good at macro, and also attacking you at weird timings
bw is not scary, after you win your first game you will be hooked believe me
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Canada11340 Posts
For build orders, Liquidpedia is your friend. In regards to control groups, I believe Day9 talked about having your front four control groups on 1-4, but for the rest of your zerg army, you position them in groups of 12 behind the hotkey-ed groups. So then when you go for the attack, you select the back non-hotkeyed groups to attack first, and then the hotkeyed ones.
Go easy on yourself. It's a steep learning curve, but it's an awesome game. One thing to get really good advice is to find a race and stick with it for a bit because it's a little hard to advice when you're up in the air on which race to play. In addition, there is a lot of threads entitled "SC2 transitioning to BW HELP!" etc. Look at some of those threads as they are loaded with useful tips.
For beating ai, make sure you're playing on good proleague maps. Beating ai at a beginning level with Zerg is freaking hard with old Blizzard maps because there's no natural expansion that any modern zerg will use. (Very little one base tech going on here.)
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Keep in mind that the way the AI plays is very different from what a standard game will look like. The builds it will use are very allinish by modern standards, meaning you pretty much defend an early push and easily overpower it with macro from there.
Also, practice some of that 1t2t3t1a2a3a with another group of medics following closely!
Keep in mind that terran is generally regarded as the most mechanically difficult race
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you can set hotkey "spots" as mentioned above by using shift-F1-3 (someone will correct me) - use them on your barracks and on a place on the map to quickly change rally points by flicking between your production and the spot
if BW ladder is too taxing then definately play some BGH/money maps AND the huge multitude of other UMS maps (multiplayer rpgs, challenges, micro arenas) as they are awesome
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On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:Hello TL, I just bought and installed Brood War, due to everyone saying it's such a great game and I'm missing out if I don't play it. THIS GAME IS FRIGHTENING. So much multitasking, no building multi-select, no auto mine, and the worst one to me is, NO BIG CONTROL GROUPS. If I wanna play Zerg, how the hell am I gonna send a force of more then 24 zerglings running in at a line into the scary Terran seige tank - bunker base?! I haven't installed any ladders yet, I still can't beat a computer with any of the races! I think I like Terran the most though, that sexy medic. I hate how you cant stim with a medic in your control group though! Hopefully I will get the hang of this scary game. Any tips about installing ladders, build orders, general strategy or unit counters would be much appreciated as I can't even beat the a.i! I will keep updated on my progress
You send more than 24 zerglings using more than 2 hotkeys. Takes mad skillz.
Terran is usually regarded as the hardest race when starting. Either way, you're faced with a massive learning curve to competency. Getting D+ on iccup 2 summers ago required more hard work and practice than any of my sc2 promotions! Good luck!
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Thanks guys! My friend told me there was a map where you got to control 3 photon cannons on 1,2, and 3 where you shoot at medics running by. He says it will help my micro a lot, anyone know where I can get this?
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That's just how the game works. I'm not sure what you mean by 'installing ladders' but you can go to iccup.com to make an account/play on their private server. Although beating a computer is easy (they do similar builds all the time so just think of a counter e.g. firebats for zealot rushes). I also recommend watching Proleague (Videos>BWVods on TL page) so that you can learn the current game style (why T's don't use firebats against zealots even though it seems intuitive at first.) If you don't like the Korean casters watch some old videos casted in English.
You need to get used to the controls. Learn how to employ all the keyboard buttons: F2/F3... , CTRL groups, Shortcuts (e.g. T for stim, S for SCVs, etc). Focus on learning what each unit does, unit counters, tech tree, current meta game: no point blindly following builds without knowing the purpose/weaknesses: e.g. post hatch zergling all-ins vs. 1rax FE., and so on. Do not get into the mind set that you should play computers before real opponents. Real players are not predictable like computers.
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Canada11340 Posts
On November 29 2011 08:14 FFGenerations wrote:
you can set hotkey "spots" as mentioned above by using shift-F1-3 (someone will correct me) - use them on your barracks and on a place on the map to quickly change rally points by flicking between your production and the spot
if BW ladder is too taxing then definately play some BGH/money maps AND the huge multitude of other UMS maps (multiplayer rpgs, challenges, micro arenas) as they are awesome
F2 to F4. But yeah, I don't think I would start laddering unless I could beat a computer. Alternatively, if you can find a friend that is learning around the same level as you, that's always fun. Most of my BW recruitments is through LAN games of 2v2v1 where we pair of weaker partners with stronger ones. That might not always be reasonable, but I cannot emphasize enough how fun big multiplayer games can be with even a couple friends you know.
Playing against computers is grind work. And while I was told to beat 3 Terrans to work on my macro/ multi-tasking skills, for someone starting out I think playing against people is much more fun.
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Croatia9491 Posts
Hang in there buddy, it only gets better
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On November 29 2011 08:17 Frostfire wrote:
Thanks guys! My friend told me there was a map where you got to control 3 photon cannons on 1,2, and 3 where you shoot at medics running by. He says it will help my micro a lot, anyone know where I can get this?
You should really focus on macro first (just like SC2). If you really want to play terran a certain bit of micro is necessary, but you should really focus on perfecting a build order and good macro first.
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I meant maps to install/download whatever, I'm new so I don't know much, I just know I've seen people playing on maps I can't seem to find Dx. Another thing I hate so far about this game is the damned blacked out fog of war! If I'm new, how am I supposed to know where my opponent spawns?! The good thing about sc2 is that even with blacked out fog of war there is a map preview so I can see all the spawn positions rofl.
Edit: Even if there was blacked out fog of war *
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On November 29 2011 08:17 Frostfire wrote:
Thanks guys! My friend told me there was a map where you got to control 3 photon cannons on 1,2, and 3 where you shoot at medics running by. He says it will help my micro a lot, anyone know where I can get this?
Yes, that's the map I was talking about, I can't remember the name for the life of me though. when I get home I can look in my folders if someone else hasn't helped you out.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Strategy
Terran, Zerg, and Protoss all have different easy and hard points on the learning curve. Terran is probably the hardest to initially control but it's not a very fancy race...your unit compositions are generally similar across matchups.
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On November 29 2011 08:20 Frostfire wrote:
I meant maps to install/download whatever, I'm new so I don't know much, I just know I've seen people playing on maps I can't seem to find Dx. Another thing I hate so far about this game is the damned blacked out fog of war! If I'm new, how am I supposed to know where my opponent spawns?! The good thing about sc2 is that even with blacked out fog of war there is a map preview so I can see all the spawn positions rofl.
When you're online, you can mouse over the name of the map - or in the general area, and there's text that says "map preview"
Otherwise single-player --> Black Sheep Wall it up.
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