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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
November 29 2011 04:50 GMT
#61
On November 29 2011 10:25 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 09:17 Frostfire wrote:
I'm only low plat, I should be gold in sc2. Where would that put me?



It matter what you are in sc2, if you havent really played brood war before it's going to shock you because of things like control groups and automatic mining. You'll probably land up with the keyboard and mouse symbol (lower than D-) if you go into the ladder and cant even beat the computer.

I've played masters who look like total noobs in bw because mechanics are a lot more important here. You could win games with just pure macro even if your strat made no sense what so ever.

Get comfy with you could join a clan and practice with people there, or just play with the computer till you get comfortable while practicing a build a match up.
Alternatively...you can create as many accounts as you can...so try to execute a build, if you go below a particular rank where no one wants to play, just create another account

The funniest part of sc2 people playing broodwar is to watch terran go mass bio against toss


Bio against Toss isn't bad. I see a lot of SC2 players going bio TvT though heh
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Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
November 29 2011 04:53 GMT
#62
Regarding the map 90% of the time you will play on fighting spirit anyway so learn that one!
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Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
November 29 2011 05:08 GMT
#63
On November 29 2011 13:50 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Bio against Toss isn't bad. I see a lot of SC2 players going bio TvT though heh

I really hope i'm just not getting the sarcasm
|| o.o
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 29 2011 05:44 GMT
#64
On November 29 2011 14:08 Lumire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 13:50 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Bio against Toss isn't bad. I see a lot of SC2 players going bio TvT though heh

I really hope i'm just not getting the sarcasm

Dunno what exactly he means by "isn't bad" but it's true that Bio TvP... can sometimes win games... in very specific situations... like http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/72448_Light_vs_Stork/vod
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11450 Posts
November 29 2011 06:23 GMT
#65
On November 29 2011 14:08 Lumire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 13:50 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Bio against Toss isn't bad. I see a lot of SC2 players going bio TvT though heh

I really hope i'm just not getting the sarcasm


No it's true. If you're not used to it, bio can wreck a Protoss who just went goons. I think there was a specific build, Deep Six that used bio. It's just not terribly popular.
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
November 29 2011 09:19 GMT
#66
deep 6 is an allin that hopes to hit before storm, or hope he doesn't have reavers
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
November 29 2011 10:17 GMT
#67
On November 29 2011 13:50 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 10:25 dartoo wrote:
On November 29 2011 09:17 Frostfire wrote:
I'm only low plat, I should be gold in sc2. Where would that put me?



It matter what you are in sc2, if you havent really played brood war before it's going to shock you because of things like control groups and automatic mining. You'll probably land up with the keyboard and mouse symbol (lower than D-) if you go into the ladder and cant even beat the computer.

I've played masters who look like total noobs in bw because mechanics are a lot more important here. You could win games with just pure macro even if your strat made no sense what so ever.

Get comfy with you could join a clan and practice with people there, or just play with the computer till you get comfortable while practicing a build a match up.
Alternatively...you can create as many accounts as you can...so try to execute a build, if you go below a particular rank where no one wants to play, just create another account

The funniest part of sc2 people playing broodwar is to watch terran go mass bio against toss


Bio against Toss isn't bad. I see a lot of SC2 players going bio TvT though heh

I could never hit newly switched SC2 players going bio against me out of nowhere (well, I probably hit a lot of them but as I'm zerg, they would go bio against me anyway so it's not "out of nowhere").

Also, I heard that HiyA anti-carrier build is pretty good. Build is:

1- Scout Carriers
2- Cancel 3rd factory
3- Put down 4 rax ASAP
4- Make M&M against something that has 4 base armor
5- Upgrade them
6- ???
7- Win against a Protoss using some 4 base armor flying units, psionic storms, DTs (that 1-shot marines) and reavers. I think he also used a maelstrom somewhere in this.
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xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
November 29 2011 11:02 GMT
#68
Frostfire that puts you at D- until you get some decent idea of how to control large armies, macro properly, and know some build orders. Even after then you will probably lose over half your games.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28778 Posts
November 29 2011 15:06 GMT
#69
deep 6 is a 12 year old outdated strategy. it specifically refers to a build popularized by heartcutter through his battlereports describing it, before replays ever existed.

but bio can certainly work tvp, as long as it's timed correctly and catches protoss off guard. basically reavers and storm slaughter bio, but upgraded mm destroys goon/zealot. it also used to be legitimately really good on certain maps without easily accessible gas naturals, like nostalgia.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 15:47:47
November 29 2011 15:42 GMT
#70
On November 29 2011 18:19 rauk wrote:
deep 6 is an allin that hopes to hit before storm, or hope he doesn't have reavers


You can beat both Storm and Reavers with bio. When I'm smurfing I would go SKTerran against Toss and use Science Vessels to irradiate High Templar (you could use emp but irradiate is more fun). Reavers are much harder, you need atleast 1 Tank and you need to run away every time the scarab shoots, causing it to dud (maybe ill add lockdown into my repertoire).

At the pro-level though UpMagic was the only one who would open bio as a legitimate strategy quite a few games, and he went to the dark side

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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
November 29 2011 16:34 GMT
#71
Why don't I remember control groups and auto mining being such a nightmare. Granted I've only played SC 1998 - 2000 but I don't remember those being the problems, though I was never that good at it. I remember playing at a LAN and getting owned by DTs as Zerg but I can't figure out how that happened with ovies being detectors. Think it was a rush of sorts.

Maybe it was because I was playing a ton of Warcraft 2 back then and C&C and Red Alert.

Though I'm pretty sure I'd die to AI nowadays even as Terran on BGH abusing supply wall mechanic.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
November 29 2011 20:25 GMT
#72
Protoss is least APM intensive for beginners, it's also easier to beat AI with imo. For terran you can just wall yourself in, expand to expo, mass tanks, and harass with vultures. A good thing to practice is to try to max out your army before the 20 minute mark, then go for 15.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
November 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#73
Another thing: when you have critical mass in units, get rid of your building hotkeys (except for key ones like comsat), and use location hotkeys where your production units are. This helps a lot with late game micro/macro.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 29 2011 21:33 GMT
#74
On November 29 2011 12:47 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 10:26 synapse wrote:
Wait till you get a spire....


no one ACTUALLY goes 5sm6sm7sm though... always preselect 9 larvae and then spawn em all at the same time

I meant the ss -> oops 6 scourge thing
:)
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
November 29 2011 21:40 GMT
#75
On November 30 2011 06:33 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 12:47 rauk wrote:
On November 29 2011 10:26 synapse wrote:
Wait till you get a spire....


no one ACTUALLY goes 5sm6sm7sm though... always preselect 9 larvae and then spawn em all at the same time

I meant the ss -> oops 6 scourge thing


kekeke i do this all the time, so annoying
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
November 29 2011 22:38 GMT
#76
I feel like I should just 4 pool every game.
Loljk kekeke. Do I have to DL Destination? I can't seem to find it anywhere?! I love that map so much <3
"In solitude, we are least alone"
Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
November 29 2011 22:39 GMT
#77
I don't know any build orders D: I just 8 depot 10 rax into whatever, I wing it.
"In solitude, we are least alone"
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
November 29 2011 22:51 GMT
#78
^^ Go to the iccup website, and you can download all the popular maps from there. It's on the iccup ladder map pack. Extract it to your maps in the brood war directory.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 23:34:21
November 29 2011 23:31 GMT
#79
On November 30 2011 07:39 Frostfire wrote:
I don't know any build orders D: I just 8 depot 10 rax into whatever, I wing it.


Go on to liquipedia

Learn

FD vs Protoss
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/FD_(vs._Protoss)

2 Rax Acad vs Zerg
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2_Rax_FE_(vs._Zerg)

These should defend you against most of the stuff D players do, until you get better mechanics you will need to have more units in the early game to compensate. Once you get better you will find yourself expanding earlier with less units and can move onto Flash build/1 Rax FE.

In the meantime you don't want to just keep dying to 2 gate dragoon and 2 hatch lurker. Both builds also encourage moving out early on and dictating the game, which means you are less likely to get contained, or lose to non-standard builds.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
November 29 2011 23:48 GMT
#80
On November 29 2011 08:01 Frostfire wrote:If I wanna play Zerg, how the hell am I gonna send a force of more then 24 zerglings running in at a line into the scary Terran seige tank - bunker base?!


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