• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:03
CET 23:03
KST 07:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 286HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea StarCraft player reflex TE scores [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Opel 1.7 DTI Y17DT Engine Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1515 users

Gaming Mice

Blogs > Aylear
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 00:32:34
December 30 2009 00:30 GMT
#1
As I've always been a competitive gamer and humongous nerd, I've owned a big number of expensive and supposedly great mice over the past few years, ranging from the Microsoft IntelliMouse to present-day Ikari Laser. Since I'm totally bored, I'll respond to IntoTheWow's inquiry and jot down some of my experiences.

Without further ado:


_______________________

[image loading]


[image loading]


Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0.

The IntelliMouse is famous in FPS circles. It's used by a large number of professional CS and CS:S gamers; in fact, more professional gamers use this mouse than any other mouse. This is often because they started out with it, though, and they stick with it because changing the gear they're so accustomed to as to be practically part of their muscle memory is a thoroughly bad idea.

Even so, when Microsoft released a new and updated version of the IntelliMouse a couple years back, I got excited and took one home.

It wasn't the gaming revolution of the hype machine. Oh, it was okay; the design is comfortable and it's responsive, but it's pretty big, and the side buttons are made of plastic bullshit and chips. It also has limited DPI, which was a big problem for me because I play with fairly high sensitivity, but it's not an issue for my SC-gaming friend whom I ended up donating it to. This was probably 18 months back, and unless I miss my guess he's still using it.

Main reason I didn't keep using it is because I couldn't use it with my abnormally high sensitivity. Most people should be fine with it, though.

If you like the IntelliMouse mouse design, but want a newer mouse, may I recommend:

_______________________

[image loading]


[image loading]


The Razer DeathAdder.

I won't lie: This is one of the best mice I've ever owned. The design is nice. It runs at 1800 DPI. The mouse itself is of good construction. Once again, the side buttons are flimsier than I would have liked, but it's a LOT better than on the IntelliMouse. The side buttons were also poorly placed for my grip, which was disappointing but not a deal breaker. It's also pretty big, and it feels a little empty. To be honest, when I bought it I was expecting a more compact and very lightweight mouse. Instead, it was big, and fairly lightweight.

Once I grew accustomed to it, though, it was good. It was never QUITE perfect, but for the most part I had no problems with the mouse. You know, until it died.

When you buy Razer, you pretty much take a chance. Their products malfunction. Most people still have early DeathAdders that work just fine. Others have theirs die or otherwise malfunction within a year. Mine lasted about nine months before the scroll wheel went to shit, and when the mouse itself finally died another couple months later I was happy, because it meant I could replace that overly expensive piece of computer hardware in good conscience.

Still, I might have bought a new DeathAdder if I wasn't so pissed off at Razer. I would say you can't go wrong with buying a DeathAdder, but if yours dies I won't be held accountable.

_______________________

[image loading]


[image loading]


Logitech MX518 Optical & G5 Laser

I'm cheating a little by lumping them together, but it's pretty much the same design with a different sensor. The original G5 Laser also had only one side button, which is total bullshit. Logitech has since "apologized" for their brilliant design decision by re-releasing the mouse as the G5 Blue which you can buy to replace the other one. Rejoice!

My G5 Laser gave me years, and when it finally went, it did so with a warning. I have not a single complaint regarding its construction, which is solid and firm. It's taller than the other mice, but not by much.

Certain design elements could have been improved, though. For example, your thumb is supposed to rest within that little grove below the side buttons. That's fine and all, but the bottom part of the mouse ends in a sharp edge for some stupid reason. If you like holding the mouse with your fingers close to the mouse pad, your thumb will be raw within the hour.

Okay, fine. The mouse wheel is noisy, and the cord is very stiff. There's your construction complaint.

The difference between optical and laser is mostly a question of mouse prediction. If you know what that is and absolutely, positively must have a mouse that doesn't have prediction (i.e. you're a hard core CS gamer), get the MX518. If it doesn't matter to you, I'd go for the laser variant.

In my opinion you can't really go wrong with either of these two. They're tried and tested.

_______________________

[image loading]


[image loading]


SteelSeries Ikari Laser.

I was on the fence as to whether or not I should get this one. It comes with a hefty price tag, and I've never had a mouse be so much better than my current functional mouse that it was worth it. In the end, I held off until my DeathAdder died, upon which I decided to go back to my favoured mouse design. I used the G5 for a while, then bought the Ikari.

This thing is a beast. Construction wise, it is excellent. The main buttons are responsive, the mouse wheel is barely audible, the cord isn't too stiff, the side buttons are solid if too easy to press.

Design wise, it's a G5 on steroids, if the G5 had a rest for your ring finger. The main issue with the Ikari comes with the thumb grove, which is much too high. It feels better than the G5 (and doesn't have the sharp edge of death), but your thumb is practically touching the side buttons at all times. I accidentally pressed mouse 4 once while editing this. To remedy this, I some times press downward with my thumb on the thumb rest, but if I do this it's hard to get a grip to lift the mouse without the thumb slipping and hitting the easily pressed side keys.

It's such a shame. If it wasn't for this one gripe, I would recommend the Ikari wholeheartedly over all other mice, because everything else is made of win. I can even press the mouse wheel button without ever accidentally scrolling, which most mice have a problem with.

If you can get your literal hands on an Ikari and perhaps try it out before you purchase, I recommend doing so, because if you find you have no problems with the thumb rest it's a fantastic and lightweight mouse. You'll have to decide if it's worth the price tag, though.

*
TL+ Member
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
December 30 2009 00:34 GMT
#2
I have a Diamondback and a MZ518, though the diamondback started off as a good mouse it became very loud and the buttons very stiff. These days I just use my logitech, which is bad for starcraft because its such a heavy mouse.
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
Ducci
Profile Joined April 2009
United States588 Posts
December 30 2009 00:35 GMT
#3
I love my g5 laser
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
December 30 2009 00:38 GMT
#4
Just got the death adder for Christmas, and i freaking love it. Amazing mouse. Hope mine lasts much much longer than yours lol :<
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 00:41:21
December 30 2009 00:39 GMT
#5
The Ikari Laser has problems at low sens (like all laser mice) and they fucked up the lift off distance on the optical version.

More Quake players probably swear by WMO1.1 than IME3.0, but those are definitely the two most popular of all time among serious FPS players. I'd wager MX518 rounds out the top 3.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
December 30 2009 00:41 GMT
#6
On December 30 2009 09:39 Jibba wrote:
The Ikari Laser has problems at low sens (like all laser mice) and they fucked up the lift off distance on the optical version.


Really? I should probably add this, but as I play on fairly high sens for everything, it hasn't been a problem for me. They did fuck up the lift-off distance on the optical version, though, and I wouldn't recommend it over the laser version for anything.
TL+ Member
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 30 2009 00:42 GMT
#7
A lot of these high-end gaming mice just aren't worth it, too overpriced and don't really make much of a difference.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
December 30 2009 00:43 GMT
#8
On December 30 2009 09:42 writer22816 wrote:
A lot of these high-end gaming mice just aren't worth it, too overpriced and don't really make much of a difference.


Disagree.
TL+ Member
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 30 2009 00:43 GMT
#9
For those who don't know, the lift off distance is exactly what it sounds like. When you need to lift the mouse up as you get near the edge of your pad (or just to get more comfortable), you don't want a high lift off distance or else it'll mess up where you're aiming.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 30 2009 00:55 GMT
#10
On December 30 2009 09:43 Aylear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 09:42 writer22816 wrote:
A lot of these high-end gaming mice just aren't worth it, too overpriced and don't really make much of a difference.


Disagree.


ok then, explain how every virtually every progamer uses classics like LMO/G1/1.1a/3.0 instead of the new junk that just came out? You might argue that these players are too accustomed to their previous mice but if the new mice actually made a difference with their 12379481747034 dpi and god knows what other bullshit they tout, people would actually switch to them.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 30 2009 01:01 GMT
#11
On December 30 2009 09:42 writer22816 wrote:
A lot of these high-end gaming mice just aren't worth it, too overpriced and don't really make much of a difference.

You probably never tried a high end gaming mice.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
December 30 2009 01:03 GMT
#12
On December 30 2009 09:55 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 09:43 Aylear wrote:
On December 30 2009 09:42 writer22816 wrote:
A lot of these high-end gaming mice just aren't worth it, too overpriced and don't really make much of a difference.


Disagree.


ok then, explain how every virtually every progamer uses classics like LMO/G1/1.1a/3.0 instead of the new junk that just came out? You might argue that these players are too accustomed to their previous mice but if the new mice actually made a difference with their 12379481747034 dpi and god knows what other bullshit they tout, people would actually switch to them.


are we talking about just Starcraft pro-gamers or other pro-gamers as well because i think a higher DPI would help FPS players much more than RTS players.
Hiphopapotamus
Profile Joined July 2009
United States121 Posts
December 30 2009 01:32 GMT
#13
On December 30 2009 10:03 b3h47pte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 09:55 writer22816 wrote:
On December 30 2009 09:43 Aylear wrote:
On December 30 2009 09:42 writer22816 wrote:
A lot of these high-end gaming mice just aren't worth it, too overpriced and don't really make much of a difference.


Disagree.


ok then, explain how every virtually every progamer uses classics like LMO/G1/1.1a/3.0 instead of the new junk that just came out? You might argue that these players are too accustomed to their previous mice but if the new mice actually made a difference with their 12379481747034 dpi and god knows what other bullshit they tout, people would actually switch to them.


are we talking about just Starcraft pro-gamers or other pro-gamers as well because i think a higher DPI would help FPS players much more than RTS players.


Yet, in actuality, it doesn't.
My lyrics are bottomless!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 30 2009 01:56 GMT
#14
logitech g3 no comment
Administrator
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
December 30 2009 02:00 GMT
#15
sorry but an expensive 60$+ with a tag [gaming] mouse wont make u a pro gamer.
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 30 2009 02:29 GMT
#16
DPI is overrated yo. Basic mice for the win!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 30 2009 02:29 GMT
#17
also: don't buy up the g3s all over the net I only have 3 in stock
Administrator
Methos
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States206 Posts
December 30 2009 02:30 GMT
#18
I don't buy gaming mouses since they're always really, really big and I don't work well with big mouses. Also it's expensive haha
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 30 2009 02:47 GMT
#19
Razer DeathAdder. Beautiful.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
December 30 2009 02:48 GMT
#20
I can't use the small mice that most people on TL use for more then an hour. I have used a lot of mice and the only one that is comfortable for long periods of time for me is the mx518.
#1 Kwanro Fan
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:50
Best Games
Maru vs Solar
Reynor vs TriGGeR
herO vs Solar
Clem vs TriGGeR
Maru vs TBD
PiGStarcraft541
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft541
IndyStarCraft 110
Nathanias 74
ForJumy 44
EmSc Tv 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 217
Hyuk 52
NaDa 17
IntoTheRainbow 12
ivOry 7
Dota 2
syndereN215
League of Legends
C9.Mang0125
Counter-Strike
fl0m3051
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King101
Other Games
tarik_tv9294
FrodaN5014
Grubby4332
summit1g4013
RotterdaM356
shahzam342
ToD256
KnowMe252
mouzStarbuck243
Liquid`Hasu200
gofns125
Harstem119
ArmadaUGS108
Trikslyr60
JuggernautJason45
ZombieGrub18
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1484
BasetradeTV152
StarCraft 2
angryscii 38
EmSc Tv 29
EmSc2Tv 29
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 47
• musti20045 40
• davetesta21
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2251
League of Legends
• TFBlade1662
• Scarra855
• Stunt476
Other Games
• imaqtpie2290
• Shiphtur296
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 57m
RongYI Cup
12h 57m
herO vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 1h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 13h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-05
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.