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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
May 21 2009 04:25 GMT
#61
Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.

I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
My. Copy. Is. Here.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 21 2009 04:32 GMT
#62
I know these guys probably won't fit a lot of people's tastes but they're not that well known and maybe someone will like them:

BW forever || Thall
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 04:34:39
May 21 2009 04:34 GMT
#63
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote:
Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.

I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o


Grow some ears then.

By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 21 2009 04:37 GMT
#64
On May 21 2009 10:52 Aegraen wrote:
Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.

The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.


I think it's an insult to compare symphonic metal (in any genre, be it black, death, gothic, melodic, whatever) to real classical music. There is a HUGE gap between orchestral arrangements in metal and actual classical music.

I agree with you everywhere else, though. Metal really does have some of the best technical musicians in the world (though not all, not by a long shot), and when you count all the subgenres it has (from heavy metal to nu metal to tech death to progressive), you really do have the most diverse genre out there, I think.

But still...a classical ear probably won't find anything noteworthy in metal. I grew up in a classical family listening to classical music until around five years ago when I got into metal. They're worlds apart, even in composition.

On May 21 2009 13:09 Aegraen wrote:
Japanese are the shit (Blood Stain Child is JP)



They have some crazy guitarists.

Wow...they're actually really good. Thanks.

On May 21 2009 13:14 FragKrag wrote:
I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.

Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"

Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.

But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.

Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.

Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.

I'll check those black metal bands out.

I haven't listened to Atheist or Watch Tower, and haven't gotten around to trying out Fates Warning even though they've been sitting on my "list of music to try out" list forever...lol.

On May 21 2009 13:34 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote:
Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.

I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o


Grow some ears then.

By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL

If you can wade through the oceans of shit, there are a lot of good melodeath albums. Get over it. It's difficult to objectively condemn any band, much less an entire genre.
Hello
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 21 2009 04:47 GMT
#65
I grew up listening to classical music, and I've become quite fond of power prog metal. Not a fan of death metal/black metal/thrash metal though, and I doubt I will ever like a screaming/growling album.
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Carnation[NeoN]
Profile Joined October 2008
United States26 Posts
May 21 2009 04:51 GMT
#66
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How can there be a metal thread without the mention of Anaal Nathrakh



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Or Lykathea Aflame D;
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 04:59 GMT
#67
On May 21 2009 13:32 Rostam wrote:
I know these guys probably won't fit a lot of people's tastes but they're not that well known and maybe someone will like them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsnNrGkHraM


Known them since they came out Great band. Raintime is on par imho.

Bjorn Speed sings for them.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 05:02 GMT
#68
On May 21 2009 13:37 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 10:52 Aegraen wrote:
Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.

The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.


I think it's an insult to compare symphonic metal (in any genre, be it black, death, gothic, melodic, whatever) to real classical music. There is a HUGE gap between orchestral arrangements in metal and actual classical music.

I agree with you everywhere else, though. Metal really does have some of the best technical musicians in the world (though not all, not by a long shot), and when you count all the subgenres it has (from heavy metal to nu metal to tech death to progressive), you really do have the most diverse genre out there, I think.

But still...a classical ear probably won't find anything noteworthy in metal. I grew up in a classical family listening to classical music until around five years ago when I got into metal. They're worlds apart, even in composition.

Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 13:09 Aegraen wrote:
Japanese are the shit (Blood Stain Child is JP)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtUy6x9utAQ

They have some crazy guitarists.

Wow...they're actually really good. Thanks.

Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 13:14 FragKrag wrote:
I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.

Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"

Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.

But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.

Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.

Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.

I'll check those black metal bands out.

I haven't listened to Atheist or Watch Tower, and haven't gotten around to trying out Fates Warning even though they've been sitting on my "list of music to try out" list forever...lol.

Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 13:34 FragKrag wrote:
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote:
Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.

I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o


Grow some ears then.

By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL

If you can wade through the oceans of shit, there are a lot of good melodeath albums. Get over it. It's difficult to objectively condemn any band, much less an entire genre.


Hehe thanks. I would disagree about classical etc.

Listen to this:

"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
May 21 2009 05:03 GMT
#69
man I love Hammerfall. Rediscovering them from this thread is probably the best thing I have done this week. There's nothing impressive about them, except the singer, but damn, they know how to write hooks.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 05:03 GMT
#70
Black metal was born out of classical composition. It's a staple part of composition of the genre.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 05:06 GMT
#71
By the way Tvangeste has the best vocals EVER! <3
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
May 21 2009 05:10 GMT
#72
On May 21 2009 14:03 Aegraen wrote:
Black metal was born out of classical composition. It's a staple part of composition of the genre.


black metal was born out of thrash metal
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 05:12 GMT
#73
On May 21 2009 14:10 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 14:03 Aegraen wrote:
Black metal was born out of classical composition. It's a staple part of composition of the genre.


black metal was born out of thrash metal


Emperor had nothing in common with thrash. Emperor started black metal.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 05:16:02
May 21 2009 05:15 GMT
#74
On May 21 2009 14:12 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 14:10 FragKrag wrote:
On May 21 2009 14:03 Aegraen wrote:
Black metal was born out of classical composition. It's a staple part of composition of the genre.


black metal was born out of thrash metal


Emperor had nothing in common with thrash. Emperor started black metal.


lol.

Celtic Frost? Mercyful Fate?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
May 21 2009 05:18 GMT
#75
Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 05:20 GMT
#76
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote:
Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.


Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?

What do you think of Tvangeste?
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
May 21 2009 05:22 GMT
#77
On May 21 2009 14:20 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote:
Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.


Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?

What do you think of Tvangeste?


It's not about classical compositions. You said Emperor started black metal, which is obviously a misinformed statement on your part.

I don't listen to black metal for the most part.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
May 21 2009 05:26 GMT
#78
On May 21 2009 14:22 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 14:20 Aegraen wrote:
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote:
Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.


Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?

What do you think of Tvangeste?


It's not about classical compositions. You said Emperor started black metal, which is obviously a misinformed statement on your part.

I don't listen to black metal for the most part.


Hmmm. I mostly listen to symphonic black, not the 'kvlt' stuff, production sucks too bad for my taste.

What do you think of this?



"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
May 21 2009 05:34 GMT
#79
please do not mention black metal without bathory =[

[image loading]


that's just blasphemy:
[image loading]



ps: i dont think emperor started black metal, it was venom, celtic frost and bathory.
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
May 21 2009 05:41 GMT
#80
Anyone here enjoy german metal bands? I know very little about them, I don't understand absolutely anything but I love the style. I listen to rautemusik.fm, extreme channel, a lot and I enjoy it. Example of stuff that plays there that I like:

Schandmaul-Geisterschiff

In Extremo - Poc Vocem:


I would be very interested to know, does anyone here knows that kind of music better and could show me some more? All I know is like Rammstein and that's it
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