On May 21 2009 14:41 VIB wrote: Anyone here enjoy german metal bands? I know very little about them, I don't understand absolutely anything but I love the style. I listen to rautemusik.fm, extreme channel, a lot and I enjoy it. Example of stuff that plays there that I like:
Schandmaul-Geisterschiff
In Extremo - Poc Vocem:
I would be very interested to know, does anyone here knows that kind of music better and could show me some more? All I know is like Rammstein and that's it
Psyclon Nine baby!
hail...
epic!
The only industrial band I like. (Sort of like Rammstein in a sense, since they are both industrial)
Germany has some of the best thrash and power ever created.
Big names like Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Exumer, Paradox, and Mekong Delta in thrash Big names like Blind Guardian, Helloween, Gamma Ray, Rage, and Running Wild in power.
Man I wish I could sing like this lol....one of my favorite vocalists!
Holy crap that is actually english!
hehe I don't think that have much to do with what I'm looking for, but it's not too bad either. I just searched that Schandmaul band on wikipedia and according to that they're some kind of "Medieval Folk Metal" whatever the hell does that means O.O lol
edit: wow thanks for those, FragKrag. The MSL just started right now, I'll take a look at those when this game ends \o/
Man I wish I could sing like this lol....one of my favorite vocalists!
Holy crap that is actually english!
hehe I don't think that have much to do with what I'm looking for, but it's not too bad either. I just searched that Schandmaul band on wikipedia and according to that they're some kind of "Medieval Folk Metal" whatever the hell does that means O.O lol
edit: wow thanks for those, FragKrag. The MSL just started right now, I'll take a look at those when this game ends \o/
While you are at it, look up Narziss. Awesome band (vox all in german).
On May 21 2009 10:52 Aegraen wrote: Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.
The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.
I think it's an insult to compare symphonic metal (in any genre, be it black, death, gothic, melodic, whatever) to real classical music. There is a HUGE gap between orchestral arrangements in metal and actual classical music.
I agree with you everywhere else, though. Metal really does have some of the best technical musicians in the world (though not all, not by a long shot), and when you count all the subgenres it has (from heavy metal to nu metal to tech death to progressive), you really do have the most diverse genre out there, I think.
But still...a classical ear probably won't find anything noteworthy in metal. I grew up in a classical family listening to classical music until around five years ago when I got into metal. They're worlds apart, even in composition.
On May 21 2009 13:09 Aegraen wrote: Japanese are the shit (Blood Stain Child is JP)
They have some crazy guitarists.
Wow...they're actually really good. Thanks.
On May 21 2009 13:14 FragKrag wrote: I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"
Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.
But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.
Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.
Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.
I'll check those black metal bands out.
I haven't listened to Atheist or Watch Tower, and haven't gotten around to trying out Fates Warning even though they've been sitting on my "list of music to try out" list forever...lol.
On May 21 2009 13:34 FragKrag wrote:
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote: Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.
I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
Grow some ears then.
By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL
If you can wade through the oceans of shit, there are a lot of good melodeath albums. Get over it. It's difficult to objectively condemn any band, much less an entire genre.
Hehe thanks. I would disagree about classical etc.
Listen to this:
I watched the video...I don't really see how you can or why you would draw a comparison between that and music in the classical tradition...
Throwing together an ensemble of violins, cellos, oboes, and/or whatever other instrument commonly used in classical ensembles and playing music with them doesn't make the music classical.
They're just using samples from a keyboard to augment their sound and to give it a more epic and complete feel. Metal bands tend to use chamber-esque ensembles to try to squeeze out the gothic/epic aesthetic they can produce.
I'm sorry, but I still stand by what I said earlier.
If you're looking for music echoing the classical tradition in metal, you'll find the best results in the likes of Nightwish or some power metal band or something. But even they are such a terribly far cry that I still think it's insulting to the great classical composers to compare them on that level. I don't think there's a problem with metal bands using sounds from traditionally classical instruments; in fact, I think it's a great thing. I love metal bands that use "symphonic" sounds. I also believe it's not right to put them on the same level as classical composers.
Okay, an argument about essentially not very relevant stuff. Why is it that metal fans always do this?
My opinion, not that it matters, is that most good bands use elements of classical composition in song writing, and then combine them with, er, lots of down tuned guitars and brute force.
I'm from a classical background to, and while you really can't lump most metal bands with Mozart or Liszt, you can lump most of their intentions with a lot of composers, especially from the Romantic period (Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Strauss, etc - they set out to create music for similar reasons and used some similar techniques imo).
Anyway, back on topic - whoever posted Anaal Nathrakh and Lykathea in one post, I love you. 'Virus Bomb' is about Warhammer 40,000 fluff, you can't go wrong.
And in continuation of the Tech Death theme, I guess most of you guys have heard Origin's album from 2008, but for all those who haven't:
On May 21 2009 16:28 crookstar wrote: Okay, an argument about essentially not very relevant stuff. Why is it that metal fans always do this?
My opinion, not that it matters, is that most good bands use elements of classical composition in song writing, and then combine them with, er, lots of down tuned guitars and brute force.
I'm from a classical background to, and while you really can't lump most metal bands with Mozart or Liszt, you can lump most of their intentions with a lot of composers, especially from the Romantic period (Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Strauss, etc - they set out to create music for similar reasons and used some similar techniques imo).
Anyway, back on topic - whoever posted Anaal Nathrakh and Lykathea in one post, I love you. 'Virus Bomb' is about Warhammer 40,000 fluff, you can't go wrong.
And in continuation of the Tech Death theme, I guess most of you guys have heard Origin's album from 2008, but for all those who haven't:
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote: Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?
What do you think of Tvangeste?
Technical Death Metal ala Fleshgod Apocalypse/Gorod incorporates classical composition. Doom metal does too, and Funeral Doom, on a higher level then your "black" metal bands.
BTW. Black Metal did come from a mixture of Speed/NWOBHM,
Good to see lots of suffo fans. What did you all think of the new preview track they posted from Blood Oath. I really liked it, it sounds like they've decided to tune back down to C again. It sounds a little less like "brutal" death metal and more "dark" death metal ala incantation/dead congregation.
On May 21 2009 16:28 crookstar wrote: Okay, an argument about essentially not very relevant stuff. Why is it that metal fans always do this?
My opinion, not that it matters, is that most good bands use elements of classical composition in song writing, and then combine them with, er, lots of down tuned guitars and brute force.
I'm from a classical background to, and while you really can't lump most metal bands with Mozart or Liszt, you can lump most of their intentions with a lot of composers, especially from the Romantic period (Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Strauss, etc - they set out to create music for similar reasons and used some similar techniques imo).
Anyway, back on topic - whoever posted Anaal Nathrakh and Lykathea in one post, I love you. 'Virus Bomb' is about Warhammer 40,000 fluff, you can't go wrong.
And in continuation of the Tech Death theme, I guess most of you guys have heard Origin's album from 2008, but for all those who haven't:
Interesting that you're mentioning Finnish Black Metal since I've grown pretty fond of some of their bands. Have you listened to Satanic Warmaster yet? They're a bunch of loony neo-nazis, but their music is great. Also, I recommend Taake's newest album, if you haven't listened to it yet.
EDIT: And for technical Death Metal, Necrophagist still is the shit!
EPT
(Blood Stain Child is JP)
