I've been lurking here for a while and it seems like a bunch of people have interesting tastes and can hold down a decent conversation, but I haven't seen a general thread for my favourite types of music. Hence this one.
To get things started, I thought I would run through a list of genres and bands that I have been enjoying recently (I encourage you to do the same if you'd like to contribute, although don't necessarily limit yourself to genres like I'm about to)
BLACK METAL - Some of the really old school Finnish bands seem to be making a resurgence, notably Beherit and Archgoat, both with new albums this year, both good. That style is really raw and possibly hard to listen to for people used to Dimmu Borgir/Keep of Kalessin, but I love it anyway.
Also, 1349 recently released a new album - im not as sure about this one, there seems to be a lot of filler and not too many actualy songs.
GRINDCORE - Arguably not metal at all, whatever. What's most important to me is that everyone who likes this genre immediately listens to Agoraphobic Nosebleed's new album, Agorapocalypse, RIGHT NOW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0yINs95wGw - yes, thats a girl on vocals)
DEATH METAL - Many of the really legendary bands seem to have been quiet in recent months, although maybe i'm just not paying enough attention to them. Tech Death, especially from Canada, seems to me the most interesting part of the scene at the moment. I only recently found out about Psycroptic and i'm loving them, though.
Nile are due a new album.
On an entirely silly note, im going to see Aborted in June. EXCITED. I may even get a surgical robe and a bunch of fake blood and organs, which will no doubt attract worried glances and a possible court summons on the tube home, but whatever.
DOOM - Not so knowledgeable about this genre. Im open to anything, but a lot of the bands seem to use the slower tempo as a way of getting away with sloppy playing. Plus, its WAY popular where I live (London), to the extent that bands playing other styles get overlooked when it comes to booking live shows.
Nevertheless, the Japanese band 'Church of Misery' put out some good stuff. They're not as gloomy as their name suggests, and write tongue in cheek songs about serial killers.
POWER METAL - I find that most people initially like this genre and then tire of it after a few months. I guess Stratovarius' new record was fun enough, although I HATED Ultra Beatdown by Dragonforce.
THRASH - Dammit if only they would stop playing that stupid Metallica song in the intro for the Proleague. It's starting to get on my nerves.
Toxic Holocaust and Municipal Waste are the current flavours of the month for me.
So yeah, I hope people enjoy the bands I talked about and are able to contribute some of their own knowledge. Always good to hear about new stuff.
On a different note, if you are going to post in this thread, lets try and keep the elitism/arguments to a minimum. Im not going to make fun of anyone no matter what they post as long as they like it and act similarly.
On May 21 2009 07:30 CultureMisfits wrote: Sadly i thought this was an aspiring bodybuilding or powerlifting thread
God yeah, I just realised how much the title sucks. You can't change it on this forum apparently and I forgot to make it clearer when I was writing the OP. Ah well.
I'm more into symphonic black metal and white metal. I don't like the production values of kvlt black.
I like tech death and you forgot the greatest of them all: QUO VADIS!, Arsis is the shit too.
Doom -
Swallow the Sun Mael Mordha
Power Metal -
Dragonland is the best Avalon Freedom Call Secret Sphere etc.
Thrash -
The Absence is the best Lyzanxia
I'm more into Folk and Melo D.
Long live SuidAkrA!
Edit:
Here is Quo Vadis..../drool
The solo at 3:45 is freaking unbelievable. (Not that its terribly difficult, but the harmony, melody, and song composition to create a masterpiece is!)
The solo at 3:45 is freaking unbelievable. (Not that its terribly difficult, but the harmony, melody, and song composition to create a masterpiece is!)
Wow... I have one album of this band (Day Into Night), but it sounds nowhere near as good as this IMO. Bassist is JAWESOME
Yea, I used to be into all sorts of metal, but musical tastes have evolved and these days I only seem time to listen to some death metal, but mainly just prog tech death.
Favorite bands: Blotted Science
Necrophagist:
also like Quo Vadis, Arsis, Cephalic Carnage, Spiral Architect, Death, Atheist, Spastic Ink...
Only problem i really have with metal is that too many bands don't try hard enough and just release the same album over and over again.
The solo at 3:45 is freaking unbelievable. (Not that its terribly difficult, but the harmony, melody, and song composition to create a masterpiece is!)
Wow... I have one album of this band (Day Into Night), but it sounds nowhere near as good as this IMO. Bassist is JAWESOME
Also, new vocalist amirite?
Im glad I made this thread already
Hehe, yea they are awesome, but no one even comes to close to the pwnsauce that is SuidAkrA!
Listen and you shall be enveloped into folk greatness...hail!
On May 21 2009 08:46 Dknight wrote: split with Insect Warfare=[
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Im not sure if either band has played in the UK though (ANb probably have). You lucky Americans are getting all the best grind bands recently. I mean, Discordance Axis? AMAZE.
All we get is ENT and Napalm releasing YET more albums of exactly the same
Yea, I used to be into all sorts of metal, but musical tastes have evolved and these days I only seem time to listen to some death metal, but mainly just prog tech death.
On May 21 2009 08:46 Dknight wrote: split with Insect Warfare=[
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Im not sure if either band has played in the UK though (ANb probably have). You lucky Americans are getting all the best grind bands recently. I mean, Discordance Axis? AMAZE.
All we get is ENT and Napalm releasing YET more albums of exactly the same
Let me know what you think about the two new vids I posted.
I listen majority of genres when it comes to music, but metal and it's sub-genres/categories are probably my favourites. Despite sounding quite harsh and brutal it's usually cathcy and fast paced.
These are some of my current favorite songs from metal genres.
Can't get much better than Iron Maiden for just normal straight-up heavy metal. Hallowed Be Thy Name = greatest metal song ever? Methinks so...
Not a big fan of death and thrash, but I've been listening to a lot of power and prog lately. Some good stuff. Dream Theater, Nightwish, Communic, Kamelot (ish) are all pretty good.
<3 Dissection Used to be one of my favorite bands like 5 years ago.
SuidAkrA seems pretty decent. I'll be checking out some more of their stuff. I'm normally not a huge fan of a lot of Folkish metal. It seems that it's be on the rise lately though... Good stuff reminds me of a toned down Black Metal a lot of the time though (folk metal in general that is)
On May 21 2009 08:49 Aegraen wrote: Let me know what you think about the two new vids I posted.
I've honestly never heard of this band. It's pretty unusual to mix folk with Deathy style with solos and blastbeats, so props for that.
First vid was good until that pointless interlude with the shouted female vocals; that spoiled it a bit for me. Second video was really good. Bagpipes work pretty well actually (maybe not that surprising as I think they were originally created for soldiers marching into WAR \m/). Two songs isn't enough to judge a band on so I will try and find some more of their stuff.
On May 21 2009 09:14 boesthius wrote: A bunch of awesome shit
Sick. You sound like you know more than me, so you probably know these, but I am duty bound to recommend:
a) Peste Noire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSUQYzqXZ0 HOLY SHIT VOCALS). Im totally gay for everything Neige has ever done. Amesoeurs and Alcest are amazing even if they aren't metal.
b) L'Acephale (http://www.myspace.com/lacephale). Because we need more pretentiousness in extreme music (they're good, don't get me wrong)
Syu is amazing, he even makes ultra cheese sound vaguely acceptable.
And Manowar are HYPE whenever they play live, although permanent hearing loss usually results. They should team up with Sunn0))) and give everyone perforated eardrums (TOTALLY WORTH IT)
EDIT: Also, please, please, please make some post about whatever the hell 'Emo-Violence' is. Sounds hilarious.
There was one specific year where I used to work for four or five guys who all loved this stuff, it used to piss me off so much to have to listen to this utter crap all day. Just my opinion
Okay, I'll try to come off not as harsh. I just don't get it, maybe you can enlighten me. If there's some allure to 80's metal, I totally missed it. I mean, it just sounds like discordant noise to me. There's all these long riffs with screaming and chaos and it's just so disordered and ugly. What is it about this music that you appreciate? It just makes me tense and anxious and want to punch something.
On May 21 2009 10:16 Biochemist wrote: There was one specific year where I used to work for four or five guys who all loved this stuff, it used to piss me off so much to have to listen to this utter crap all day. Just my opinion
Okay, I'll try to come off not as harsh. I just don't get it, maybe you can enlighten me. If there's some allure to 80's metal, I totally missed it. I mean, it just sounds like discordant noise to me. There's all these long riffs with screaming and chaos and it's just so disordered and ugly. What is it about this music that you appreciate? It just makes me tense and anxious and want to punch something.
Well what appears to be chaos at first perhaps just needs to a closer look?
I enjoy metal because of the complicated rhythmic structures and melodies, and all the subtle nuances. Speed is good too. So much better than that boring ass put me to sleep 140bpm rock on the radio. So much more intrigueing
Well, for me at least, I only like the stuff I like now through listening to softer stuff for a number of years. Some of the things posted in this thread are almost songs of 'Metal for people who already like Metal'. It sounds silly but it takes getting used to the sound to pick out the elements of it; it also helps if you play an instrument to locate a fixed point in the song and work from there. I also find that this kind of music sucks unless you actually listen to it - i.e preferably with decent headphones whilst doing nothing else (or live).
Extreme music is often likened to horror films; its hard to explain why they are entertaining, but sometimes really discordant, harsh stuff just works.
Its okay if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to like it
On May 21 2009 10:04 crookstar wrote: Okay yeah, that's really good (drummer clearly has a third arm). Props to you sir.
But is it really better than Suffocation?
I don't think any BDM band can ever touch Suffocation :<
There was one specific year where I used to work for four or five guys who all loved this stuff, it used to piss me off so much to have to listen to this utter crap all day. Just my opinion
Okay, I'll try to come off not as harsh. I just don't get it, maybe you can enlighten me. If there's some allure to 80's metal, I totally missed it. I mean, it just sounds like discordant noise to me. There's all these long riffs with screaming and chaos and it's just so disordered and ugly. What is it about this music that you appreciate? It just makes me tense and anxious and want to punch something.
Well, it really depends on the metal you're listening to. Some 80s metal has almost none of the stuff that is likened in this thread. A lot of metal is melodic, with familiar chord progressions and choruses. Stuff like Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Stratovarius, and earlier Judas Priest are much easier on the beginner's ears than stuff that is mentioned in this thread.
A quick youtube of "power metal" will find you many examples. There's melodic stuff like Stratovarius, Hammerfall, Rhapsody of Fire, Angra, Blind Guardian, and Sonata Arctica, and there's the crushing and awesome stuff like Suffocation, Morbid Angel, Monstrosity, Bolt Thrower, and Vader.
Symphony X: A widely respected progressive/power metal band (kinda thrashy, maybe you won't like it)
Stratovarius: A Pioneer of Keyboard heavy Power metal
On May 21 2009 10:16 Biochemist wrote: There was one specific year where I used to work for four or five guys who all loved this stuff, it used to piss me off so much to have to listen to this utter crap all day. Just my opinion
Okay, I'll try to come off not as harsh. I just don't get it, maybe you can enlighten me. If there's some allure to 80's metal, I totally missed it. I mean, it just sounds like discordant noise to me. There's all these long riffs with screaming and chaos and it's just so disordered and ugly. What is it about this music that you appreciate? It just makes me tense and anxious and want to punch something.
Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.
The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.
Give me the drummer from Quo Vadis, Kalmah's guitarist, Miseration / Ex-Scar Symmetry vocalist + Deadlocks female vocalist, and Janne Warmen + a good bassist, and the limitations is never in sight.
Truely great musicianship. (I started with Killswitch back when they were had the old singer, in fact I remember 'The element of one' like it was yesterday perhaps this will get you into metal also)
Oh god that Hammerfall song is too much lol. Im going to have to pretend to not like it whilst secretly having it on my ipod under an assumed name.
Another reason why so many adore this music is how diverse it is. It can be as happy or as sad, serious or light-hearted, political or carefree as the creator intends. It can also be possibly the MOST technically challenging music to play (Necrophagist, Spawn of Possession), or it can be as easy as you like so long as it's got meaning and integrity.
On May 21 2009 10:53 crookstar wrote: Oh god that Hammerfall song is too much lol. Im going to have to pretend to not like it whilst secretly having it on my ipod under an assumed name.
Another reason why so many adore this music is how diverse it is. It can be as happy or as sad, serious or light-hearted, political or carefree as the creator intends. It can also be possibly the MOST technically challenging music to play (Necrophagist, Spawn of Possession), or it can be as easy as you like so long as it's got meaning and integrity.
Mathcore is technically more difficult to play than tech death
Anyways, I think folk is the most challenging due to the vast array of differing instruments and the fact you have 6-8 people in the band. For instance:
Also; Dark lunacy POSSIBLY THE greatest band ever behind SuidAkrA!
I recommend EVERYONE to check out Dark Lunacy; you won't regret it...they have a four string quartet...simply amazing! (Plus I'm a pianist so...)
I just personally can't stand growling and screaming for prolonged periods, which is a pity, because often I'll hear a great instrumental, look more into it, and be sadly disappointed by growling and screaming vocals =S
On May 21 2009 07:21 crookstar wrote: I've been lurking here for a while and it seems like a bunch of people have interesting tastes and can hold down a decent conversation, but I haven't seen a general thread for my favourite types of music. Hence this one.
To get things started, I thought I would run through a list of genres and bands that I have been enjoying recently (I encourage you to do the same if you'd like to contribute, although don't necessarily limit yourself to genres like I'm about to)
BLACK METAL - Some of the really old school Finnish bands seem to be making a resurgence, notably Beherit and Archgoat, both with new albums this year, both good. That style is really raw and possibly hard to listen to for people used to Dimmu Borgir/Keep of Kalessin, but I love it anyway.
Also, 1349 recently released a new album - im not as sure about this one, there seems to be a lot of filler and not too many actualy songs.
GRINDCORE - Arguably not metal at all, whatever. What's most important to me is that everyone who likes this genre immediately listens to Agoraphobic Nosebleed's new album, Agorapocalypse, RIGHT NOW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0yINs95wGw - yes, thats a girl on vocals)
DEATH METAL - Many of the really legendary bands seem to have been quiet in recent months, although maybe i'm just not paying enough attention to them. Tech Death, especially from Canada, seems to me the most interesting part of the scene at the moment. I only recently found out about Psycroptic and i'm loving them, though.
Nile are due a new album.
On an entirely silly note, im going to see Aborted in June. EXCITED. I may even get a surgical robe and a bunch of fake blood and organs, which will no doubt attract worried glances and a possible court summons on the tube home, but whatever.
DOOM - Not so knowledgeable about this genre. Im open to anything, but a lot of the bands seem to use the slower tempo as a way of getting away with sloppy playing. Plus, its WAY popular where I live (London), to the extent that bands playing other styles get overlooked when it comes to booking live shows.
Nevertheless, the Japanese band 'Church of Misery' put out some good stuff. They're not as gloomy as their name suggests, and write tongue in cheek songs about serial killers.
POWER METAL - I find that most people initially like this genre and then tire of it after a few months. I guess Stratovarius' new record was fun enough, although I HATED Ultra Beatdown by Dragonforce.
THRASH - Dammit if only they would stop playing that stupid Metallica song in the intro for the Proleague. It's starting to get on my nerves.
Toxic Holocaust and Municipal Waste are the current flavours of the month for me.
So yeah, I hope people enjoy the bands I talked about and are able to contribute some of their own knowledge. Always good to hear about new stuff.
On a different note, if you are going to post in this thread, lets try and keep the elitism/arguments to a minimum. Im not going to make fun of anyone no matter what they post as long as they like it and act similarly.
So, without further ado....
HEAVEN OR HELL
LETS ROCK!
haha, someone who knows some decent stuff.
To me though, the new Beherit was TERRIBLE. It pissed on their back catalogue. T_T New 1349 kinda sucked too. I was expecting some raw norsecore, but got atmospheric bullshit with no meat to it.
New Agoraphobic Nosebleed is overrated too, but decent. New Phobia is better. Do you know Last Days of Humanity?
For Death Metal, if you want tech death, go get Fleshgod Apocalypse "Oracles" If you want brutality/heavyness, go get Human Rejection's new album, or Devourment's soon to be released masterpiece "Unleash The Carnivore". Or even Suffocations soon to be released "Blood Omen" If you want Death/thrash, get the new Pestilence album. It's underrated, and good on it's own merits.
Get Evoken/Dolorian for doom. Enough said.
Iced Earth is all the "power" metal you need.
The new wave of thrash is ok, but I donnou why your listening to Municipal Waste and the like? Just listen to some Exodus or something. haha.
On May 21 2009 11:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I just personally can't stand growling and screaming for prolonged periods, which is a pity, because often I'll hear a great instrumental, look more into it, and be sadly disappointed by growling and screaming vocals =S
I can understand that, but you have to think, this is AGGRESIVE music, and Death Metal couldn't be pulled off with singing. lol
On May 21 2009 11:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I just personally can't stand growling and screaming for prolonged periods, which is a pity, because often I'll hear a great instrumental, look more into it, and be sadly disappointed by growling and screaming vocals =S
I can understand that, but you have to think, this is AGGRESIVE music, and Death Metal couldn't be pulled off with singing. lol
Um, maybe not death, but melodic death can and is awesome as evident here:
Awesome song! (Yes, it has growls, but the whole song isn't growls)
SABINE has the greatest voice in the history of metal.
One of the best current Melo D bands (They are a superband - they have some of the best talents in their respective instruments from other bands that got together).
On May 21 2009 12:27 FragKrag wrote: I guess I'll be the first to say that Melodeath with very rare exceptions, sucks.
The only reason I can discern for the hatred towards Melo D in the metal community is because people don't like that more people are getting into metal. Social outcasts...that and I agree that some Melo D bands who went poppy doesn't well look well, but then you have to admit that they abandoned their roots.
Stuff like Scar Symmetry, Nightrage, Omnium Gatherum, Kalmah, Blood Stain Child, Dark Lunacy, Insomnium, Mors Principium Est, Skyfire (Tinge of black), Wintersun, Noumena, Lords of Decadence, certainly doesn't suck...
Just curious as to your reasoning, and how many of these bands have you heard?
PS: I'll add in that those in metal generally hate 'soft vox', I like them though Illnath / CoF vox are my favorite ..../shrug.
On May 21 2009 12:27 FragKrag wrote: I guess I'll be the first to say that Melodeath with very rare exceptions, sucks.
The only reason I can discern for the hatred towards Melo D in the metal community is because people don't like that more people are getting into metal. Social outcasts...that and I agree that some Melo D bands who went poppy doesn't well look well, but then you have to admit that they abandoned their roots.
Stuff like Scar Symmetry, Nightrage, Omnium Gatherum, Kalmah, Blood Stain Child, Dark Lunacy, Insomnium, Mors Principium Est, Skyfire (Tinge of black), Wintersun, Noumena, Lords of Decadence, certainly doesn't suck...
Just curious as to your reasoning, and how many of these bands have you heard?
PS: I'll add in that those in metal generally hate 'soft vox', I like them though Illnath / CoF vox are my favorite ..../shrug.
Melodeath is just plastering some death metal vocals over pop chord progressions. Most melodeath vocalists tend to suck at growling.
I have listened to Scar Symmetry, Kalmah, Insomnium, and Wintersun.
I like Kalmah, and I like some Insomnium songs. I absolutely despise Wintersun. Power metal + death voc = no thanks. I can't stand the melodic interludes that are in like 80% of the songs, and in general, a few good bands cannot save an overall, shitty genre populated by bands like Soilwork, Arch Enemy, Heaven Shall Burn, God Forbid, and post R2R In Flames.
On May 21 2009 12:27 FragKrag wrote: I guess I'll be the first to say that Melodeath with very rare exceptions, sucks.
The only reason I can discern for the hatred towards Melo D in the metal community is because people don't like that more people are getting into metal. Social outcasts...that and I agree that some Melo D bands who went poppy doesn't well look well, but then you have to admit that they abandoned their roots.
Stuff like Scar Symmetry, Nightrage, Omnium Gatherum, Kalmah, Blood Stain Child, Dark Lunacy, Insomnium, Mors Principium Est, Skyfire (Tinge of black), Wintersun, Noumena, Lords of Decadence, certainly doesn't suck...
Just curious as to your reasoning, and how many of these bands have you heard?
PS: I'll add in that those in metal generally hate 'soft vox', I like them though Illnath / CoF vox are my favorite ..../shrug.
Melodeath is just plastering some death metal vocals over pop chord progressions. Most melodeath vocalists tend to suck at growling.
I have listened to Scar Symmetry, Kalmah, Insomnium, and Wintersun.
I like Kalmah, and I like some Insomnium songs. I absolutely despise Wintersun. Power metal + death voc = no thanks. I can't stand the melodic interludes that are in like 80% of the songs, and in general, a few good bands cannot save an overall, shitty genre populated by bands like Soilwork, Arch Enemy, Heaven Shall Burn, God Forbid, and post R2R In Flames.
Heaven Shall Burn is metalcore, and they are a good band. Naeara however, is a pretty sweet melo D band. InFlames since colony and clayman went downhill quite a bit..., but Dark Tranquillity is the shit and they keep on truckin'. Anyways, there are shitty bands in every genre.
Black metal production turns me off from most of the name bands in the genre...I can't tell what the fuck is going on. Everything bleeds together like mad, and it sounds like they honestly recorded it with equipment from the '70s in the middle of a fucking freeway. I like some of the newer small name shit coming out, though.
-Keep of Kalessin (The only truly decent still active black band, imo) -Some band that started with a D...the lead vocalist committed suicide to join satan or something laughabout like that...I can't remember their name. -Belphegor -Emperor (One of the most amazing metal bands out there period...not just in black. I don't care that they're "prog" or "symphonic" black metal...they're still amazing).
I love Doom metal, but I don't know very many bands in the genre. I haven't gotten into them.
-Swallow the Sun -My Dying Bride
are pretty much the only bands I really listen to, and they're both very good. StS is actually one of my all time favorites...though Plague of Butterflies was a pretty mediocre release.
Death metal is a very hit and miss genre for me. I haven't been keeping up lately, but pure death metal gets to be pretty boring and messy for me. I like it best when it crosses over to other genres.
-The Aborted -Necrophagist -Nile -Behemoth -Bloodbath -Cryptopsy -I'm sure there are more...I just can't recall any atm.
Melodic death metal is one of my favorite genres...though it's been harder and harder to find any decent shit nowadays. This genre crosses over a lot nowadays with thrash and metalcore which can either be very interesting (mostly in the former) or very bad (mostly in the latter). I'll throw in gothic death in here too for simplicity.
-Scar Symmetry (one of the best bands out right now) -Neara -old Soilwork (I don't get how they can fail so badly with their new shit) -old In Flames (their new stuff isn't terrible...just horribly boring and immature) -Mors Principium Est -Wintersun -Moonspell (maybe not melo death, but whatever.) -The Absence -Blinded Colony -Arch Enemy (their new album is AMAZING...I LOVE Rise of the Tyrant) -Amon Amarth (with music as simple and straightforward as theirs, it's impossible to go wrong) -Children of Bodom -Dark Tranquility (one of the few old school melodeath bands that haven't completely gone to shit) -Insomnium (one of the few true blue melodeath bands around today) -Pain Confessor -Threat Signal -Zonaria (not sure if this is melodeath really, either...they're shockingly similar to Moonspell)
Power metal can be sooo fucking hit and miss. There are a lot of good bands out, but there are just as many that are complete crap. I can't stand dumb shit like Dragonforce that's been hyped to hell and back...all their songs sound the fucking same, too. -____-;;
-Blind Guardian -Winterborn -Pathosray -Kamelot -Evergrey (I'm not sure if it's fair to put these guys in here)
Prog metal is where I dwell the most by far. Good prog metal bands don't really give a shit what kind of music they play as long as it's good, which is why I find them infinitely more interesting than other bands out there. Consequently, there are also a lot of really bad "prog" metal bands out there as well...
-Opeth (The absolute king of progressive death...definitely my favorite by far) -Dream Theater (Getting over the vocalist takes a while, but once you do, they're absolutely amazing) -Pain of Salvation -Redemption -Strapping Young Lad (maybe not prog prog, but still...) -Meshuggah (I think of them as more prog than death or thrash) -Tool (maybe not metal, but still...very good) -Mastodon
There's really one problem I have with metal and all of these types of it; the vocals. I absolutely love the music, but the growling/deep screaming really kills it for me. I could listen to the music all day if they actually sang, and I want to like the songs because the music is so badass, but the growling really does kill it.
Can anyone recommend some metal where they actually sing? I'm not really into progressive though.
I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"
Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.
But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.
Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.
Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.
On May 21 2009 13:07 yesplz wrote: There's really one problem I have with metal and all of these types of it; the vocals. I absolutely love the music, but the growling/deep screaming really kills it for me. I could listen to the music all day if they actually sang, and I want to like the songs because the music is so badass, but the growling really does kill it.
Can anyone recommend some metal where they actually sing? I'm not really into progressive though.
Try this song:
Power metal only has clean vox. Dragonland is by far the best followed closely by Luca Turilli and Nocturnal Rights.
Here is Nocturnal Rights:
Dragonland!
^^^^SERIOUSLY EVERYONE LISTEN TO THIS MASTERPIECE! simply amazing composition.
Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.
I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote: Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.
I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
Grow some ears then.
By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL
On May 21 2009 10:52 Aegraen wrote: Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.
The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.
I think it's an insult to compare symphonic metal (in any genre, be it black, death, gothic, melodic, whatever) to real classical music. There is a HUGE gap between orchestral arrangements in metal and actual classical music.
I agree with you everywhere else, though. Metal really does have some of the best technical musicians in the world (though not all, not by a long shot), and when you count all the subgenres it has (from heavy metal to nu metal to tech death to progressive), you really do have the most diverse genre out there, I think.
But still...a classical ear probably won't find anything noteworthy in metal. I grew up in a classical family listening to classical music until around five years ago when I got into metal. They're worlds apart, even in composition.
On May 21 2009 13:09 Aegraen wrote: Japanese are the shit (Blood Stain Child is JP)
On May 21 2009 13:14 FragKrag wrote: I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"
Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.
But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.
Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.
Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.
I'll check those black metal bands out.
I haven't listened to Atheist or Watch Tower, and haven't gotten around to trying out Fates Warning even though they've been sitting on my "list of music to try out" list forever...lol.
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote: Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.
I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
Grow some ears then.
By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL
If you can wade through the oceans of shit, there are a lot of good melodeath albums. Get over it. It's difficult to objectively condemn any band, much less an entire genre.
I grew up listening to classical music, and I've become quite fond of power prog metal. Not a fan of death metal/black metal/thrash metal though, and I doubt I will ever like a screaming/growling album.
On May 21 2009 13:32 Rostam wrote: I know these guys probably won't fit a lot of people's tastes but they're not that well known and maybe someone will like them:
On May 21 2009 10:52 Aegraen wrote: Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.
The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.
I think it's an insult to compare symphonic metal (in any genre, be it black, death, gothic, melodic, whatever) to real classical music. There is a HUGE gap between orchestral arrangements in metal and actual classical music.
I agree with you everywhere else, though. Metal really does have some of the best technical musicians in the world (though not all, not by a long shot), and when you count all the subgenres it has (from heavy metal to nu metal to tech death to progressive), you really do have the most diverse genre out there, I think.
But still...a classical ear probably won't find anything noteworthy in metal. I grew up in a classical family listening to classical music until around five years ago when I got into metal. They're worlds apart, even in composition.
On May 21 2009 13:14 FragKrag wrote: I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"
Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.
But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.
Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.
Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.
I'll check those black metal bands out.
I haven't listened to Atheist or Watch Tower, and haven't gotten around to trying out Fates Warning even though they've been sitting on my "list of music to try out" list forever...lol.
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote: Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.
I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
Grow some ears then.
By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL
If you can wade through the oceans of shit, there are a lot of good melodeath albums. Get over it. It's difficult to objectively condemn any band, much less an entire genre.
Hehe thanks. I would disagree about classical etc.
man I love Hammerfall. Rediscovering them from this thread is probably the best thing I have done this week. There's nothing impressive about them, except the singer, but damn, they know how to write hooks.
Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote: Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote: Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?
What do you think of Tvangeste?
It's not about classical compositions. You said Emperor started black metal, which is obviously a misinformed statement on your part.
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote: Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?
What do you think of Tvangeste?
It's not about classical compositions. You said Emperor started black metal, which is obviously a misinformed statement on your part.
I don't listen to black metal for the most part.
Hmmm. I mostly listen to symphonic black, not the 'kvlt' stuff, production sucks too bad for my taste.
Anyone here enjoy german metal bands? I know very little about them, I don't understand absolutely anything but I love the style. I listen to rautemusik.fm, extreme channel, a lot and I enjoy it. Example of stuff that plays there that I like:
Schandmaul-Geisterschiff
In Extremo - Poc Vocem:
I would be very interested to know, does anyone here knows that kind of music better and could show me some more? All I know is like Rammstein and that's it
On May 21 2009 14:41 VIB wrote: Anyone here enjoy german metal bands? I know very little about them, I don't understand absolutely anything but I love the style. I listen to rautemusik.fm, extreme channel, a lot and I enjoy it. Example of stuff that plays there that I like:
I would be very interested to know, does anyone here knows that kind of music better and could show me some more? All I know is like Rammstein and that's it
Psyclon Nine baby!
hail...
epic!
The only industrial band I like. (Sort of like Rammstein in a sense, since they are both industrial)
Germany has some of the best thrash and power ever created.
Big names like Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Exumer, Paradox, and Mekong Delta in thrash Big names like Blind Guardian, Helloween, Gamma Ray, Rage, and Running Wild in power.
Man I wish I could sing like this lol....one of my favorite vocalists!
Holy crap that is actually english!
hehe I don't think that have much to do with what I'm looking for, but it's not too bad either. I just searched that Schandmaul band on wikipedia and according to that they're some kind of "Medieval Folk Metal" whatever the hell does that means O.O lol
edit: wow thanks for those, FragKrag. The MSL just started right now, I'll take a look at those when this game ends \o/
Man I wish I could sing like this lol....one of my favorite vocalists!
Holy crap that is actually english!
hehe I don't think that have much to do with what I'm looking for, but it's not too bad either. I just searched that Schandmaul band on wikipedia and according to that they're some kind of "Medieval Folk Metal" whatever the hell does that means O.O lol
edit: wow thanks for those, FragKrag. The MSL just started right now, I'll take a look at those when this game ends \o/
While you are at it, look up Narziss. Awesome band (vox all in german).
On May 21 2009 10:52 Aegraen wrote: Actually a lot of metal is heavily influenced by classical composition, especially black metal and symphonic styles. It takes a finely tuned ear, and an appreciation for neo-classical and classical musicianship, composition, etc.
The problem with the general population, is they hear 'growl' or 'scream' and immediately think, they don't know what they're doing, or the music is too fast, or changes tempo too much, isn't as poppy catchy so they don't like it, but take it from me, a pianist and keyboardist, metal is the most diverse and most talented pool of musicians.
I think it's an insult to compare symphonic metal (in any genre, be it black, death, gothic, melodic, whatever) to real classical music. There is a HUGE gap between orchestral arrangements in metal and actual classical music.
I agree with you everywhere else, though. Metal really does have some of the best technical musicians in the world (though not all, not by a long shot), and when you count all the subgenres it has (from heavy metal to nu metal to tech death to progressive), you really do have the most diverse genre out there, I think.
But still...a classical ear probably won't find anything noteworthy in metal. I grew up in a classical family listening to classical music until around five years ago when I got into metal. They're worlds apart, even in composition.
On May 21 2009 13:09 Aegraen wrote: Japanese are the shit (Blood Stain Child is JP)
On May 21 2009 13:14 FragKrag wrote: I'm not a fan of regular black metal either, but stuff like Mork Gryning or stuff like Varathron gets me. The Tressrising of Nyarlathotep is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Blood Stain Child is a blood stain. Boring riffs, and that shitty melody constantly playing. "look at us, we incorporate more keyboard!!!!"
Then again, I'm more of a Thrash/Death guy.
But @ above, try out Fates Warning, Watch Tower, and Atheist.
Atheist is a much better prog death (imo) than Opeth. Watch Tower and Fates Warning are thrashier and have more of an edge than Dream Theater.
Yesplz, try power metal, or you could read the thread.
I'll check those black metal bands out.
I haven't listened to Atheist or Watch Tower, and haven't gotten around to trying out Fates Warning even though they've been sitting on my "list of music to try out" list forever...lol.
On May 21 2009 13:34 FragKrag wrote:
On May 21 2009 13:25 Piy wrote: Lol, I hate metal music so much. Just so much distressing noise :p but to each their own I guess.
I do appreciate the names of the different genres though. They're pretty funny. But never have such wildly different sounding genres sounded identical to me :o
Grow some ears then.
By the way, why are there so many goddamn melodeath fans on TL
If you can wade through the oceans of shit, there are a lot of good melodeath albums. Get over it. It's difficult to objectively condemn any band, much less an entire genre.
Hehe thanks. I would disagree about classical etc.
I watched the video...I don't really see how you can or why you would draw a comparison between that and music in the classical tradition...
Throwing together an ensemble of violins, cellos, oboes, and/or whatever other instrument commonly used in classical ensembles and playing music with them doesn't make the music classical.
They're just using samples from a keyboard to augment their sound and to give it a more epic and complete feel. Metal bands tend to use chamber-esque ensembles to try to squeeze out the gothic/epic aesthetic they can produce.
I'm sorry, but I still stand by what I said earlier.
If you're looking for music echoing the classical tradition in metal, you'll find the best results in the likes of Nightwish or some power metal band or something. But even they are such a terribly far cry that I still think it's insulting to the great classical composers to compare them on that level. I don't think there's a problem with metal bands using sounds from traditionally classical instruments; in fact, I think it's a great thing. I love metal bands that use "symphonic" sounds. I also believe it's not right to put them on the same level as classical composers.
Okay, an argument about essentially not very relevant stuff. Why is it that metal fans always do this?
My opinion, not that it matters, is that most good bands use elements of classical composition in song writing, and then combine them with, er, lots of down tuned guitars and brute force.
I'm from a classical background to, and while you really can't lump most metal bands with Mozart or Liszt, you can lump most of their intentions with a lot of composers, especially from the Romantic period (Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Strauss, etc - they set out to create music for similar reasons and used some similar techniques imo).
Anyway, back on topic - whoever posted Anaal Nathrakh and Lykathea in one post, I love you. 'Virus Bomb' is about Warhammer 40,000 fluff, you can't go wrong.
And in continuation of the Tech Death theme, I guess most of you guys have heard Origin's album from 2008, but for all those who haven't:
On May 21 2009 16:28 crookstar wrote: Okay, an argument about essentially not very relevant stuff. Why is it that metal fans always do this?
My opinion, not that it matters, is that most good bands use elements of classical composition in song writing, and then combine them with, er, lots of down tuned guitars and brute force.
I'm from a classical background to, and while you really can't lump most metal bands with Mozart or Liszt, you can lump most of their intentions with a lot of composers, especially from the Romantic period (Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Strauss, etc - they set out to create music for similar reasons and used some similar techniques imo).
Anyway, back on topic - whoever posted Anaal Nathrakh and Lykathea in one post, I love you. 'Virus Bomb' is about Warhammer 40,000 fluff, you can't go wrong.
And in continuation of the Tech Death theme, I guess most of you guys have heard Origin's album from 2008, but for all those who haven't:
On May 21 2009 14:18 FragKrag wrote: Also, you're retarded if Emperor started much other than symphonic black metal. Immortal, Dark Throne, and Satyricon were doing their stuff at least 1 or 2 years before Emperor.
Ok, name me one other subgenre that incorporates classical composition such as that found in black?
What do you think of Tvangeste?
Technical Death Metal ala Fleshgod Apocalypse/Gorod incorporates classical composition. Doom metal does too, and Funeral Doom, on a higher level then your "black" metal bands.
BTW. Black Metal did come from a mixture of Speed/NWOBHM,
Good to see lots of suffo fans. What did you all think of the new preview track they posted from Blood Oath. I really liked it, it sounds like they've decided to tune back down to C again. It sounds a little less like "brutal" death metal and more "dark" death metal ala incantation/dead congregation.
On May 21 2009 16:28 crookstar wrote: Okay, an argument about essentially not very relevant stuff. Why is it that metal fans always do this?
My opinion, not that it matters, is that most good bands use elements of classical composition in song writing, and then combine them with, er, lots of down tuned guitars and brute force.
I'm from a classical background to, and while you really can't lump most metal bands with Mozart or Liszt, you can lump most of their intentions with a lot of composers, especially from the Romantic period (Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Strauss, etc - they set out to create music for similar reasons and used some similar techniques imo).
Anyway, back on topic - whoever posted Anaal Nathrakh and Lykathea in one post, I love you. 'Virus Bomb' is about Warhammer 40,000 fluff, you can't go wrong.
And in continuation of the Tech Death theme, I guess most of you guys have heard Origin's album from 2008, but for all those who haven't:
Interesting that you're mentioning Finnish Black Metal since I've grown pretty fond of some of their bands. Have you listened to Satanic Warmaster yet? They're a bunch of loony neo-nazis, but their music is great. Also, I recommend Taake's newest album, if you haven't listened to it yet.
EDIT: And for technical Death Metal, Necrophagist still is the shit!
EPT
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