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Have you ever vomited because of alcohol consumption?
If yes, then your a hypocrit.
If no, then you dont know what the fuck your talking about
No, and I'm the type of person that likes drinking about a cup of vodka in 30 seconds, so I do know what I've talking about. Once I drank a lot of wine a little too fast, and felt sick, so I took it easy and didn't drink anymore, because I'm not a dumb ass. Someone who vomits from alcohol consumption just ruins a good time everyone else might have been having because now they have to take care of his dumb ass. The fact is, the warning signs you've drank a little too much are there long before you actually need to vomit.
What the guys mom did was perfectly logical and constructive. In psychology, it's called negative reinforcement. You do something wrong, you get punished. The idea is that because you don't want to be punished again, you won't do it again. It's authoritative parenting (even though it isn't her son), it's been around a long time, and it generally does work as long as the punishment is appropriate to the offence. It's better he gets yelled at now, than punched in the face later by someone less lenient.
If that guy's Dad were around, you probably would have gotten a lesson too  But you didn't, so now you're making stupid threads on TL.net complaining about something that's your own fault. Who knows what's going to happen to you when you act up and it's not just your friend's Dad?
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defending something that is clearly wrong is just stupid. Also, how is yelling back at the owner of the house somehow "lessen the blow"? Standing up and retaliating aren't exactly the same thing, I think your principles need some reevaluating. What you could've done is apologize to the woman and try to explain it.
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You coulda "lessened the blow" by telling the mom that this is clearly the wrong time to be yelling at the kid (he's totally drunk and vomiting and helpless), not by calling her a bitch and telling her to fuck off.
Use your logic and reasoning and judgment rather than wild emotions of anger.
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yeah no, you are wrong Fen. you do not speak to anyone that way, ESPECIALLY if its in her house.
in your place, you should have apologized for your friend for throwing up in her house, explained the situation and asked her to back off because he's sick. after hearing that, most reasonable people would bitch about how irresponsible he is and then leave. you didnt need to say anything more than that.
the dumb fuck was irresponsible. if thats the worst she could say about him, she was all in the right.
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On July 12 2008 03:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +
Have you ever vomited because of alcohol consumption?
If yes, then your a hypocrit.
If no, then you dont know what the fuck your talking about
No, and I'm the type of person that likes drinking about a cup of vodka in 30 seconds, so I do know what I've talking about. Once I drank a lot of wine a little too fast, and felt sick, so I took it easy and didn't drink anymore, because I'm not a dumb ass. Someone who vomits from alcohol consumption just ruins a good time everyone else might have been having because now they have to take care of his dumb ass. The fact is, the warning signs you've drank a little too much are there long before you actually need to vomit. What the guys mom did was perfectly logical and constructive. In psychology, it's called negative reinforcement. You do something wrong, you get punished. The idea is that because you don't want to be punished again, you won't do it again. It's authoritative parenting (even though it isn't her son), it's been around a long time, and it generally does work as long as the punishment is appropriate to the offence. It's better he gets yelled at now, than punched in the face later by someone less lenient. If that guy's Dad were around, you probably would have gotten a lesson too But you didn't, so now you're making stupid threads on TL.net complaining about something that's your own fault. Who knows what's going to happen to you when you act up and it's not just your friend's Dad?
Ok, I understand your point (Im sobering up as we speak). I myself have never yacked because of alcohol consumption, at my own house or at a friends house. The point was, Im not going to stand by and let my friend get just put down over and over, its just not right. Ok, had she had bitched the next day, then I would have understood. But as far as I was concerned, he was defenseless at the time, and you dont just ripp into someone whos defenseless.
As for the guys dad, not an issue. My friends mum has a Boyfriend who was there at the time, but he stayed back and resevered. I think hes a fucking pussy for not standing up for his girl at the time, but I also believe that he was under the impression that his girlfriend was in the wrong. Which is true.
Sure you can be unhappy about someone who drank too much in your house and yacked. But you dont kick a guy when he's down. And thats what she was doing. So I had to step in and defend him.
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or maybe he felt sorry for you 2 and dont want to rip you guys. Being drunk and all I don't think hed have too much trouble calling police to clean you two up.
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and lol "thats why i live in a civilised country"
is the USA not civilized?
you can shoot people trespassing on your property who "pose a threat" and after considerable warning.
pose a thread is in quotes because its incredibly flexible and open to lots of interpretation. simply not backing down after being asked to leave iirc is threat enough.
just the other day in the south, someones neighbor was being robbed, he watched the robbers come, vandalize the neighbors house, called the cops, was on the phone with them as they vandalized the house, watched the robbers start leaving, the cops hadnt shown up, as soon as the robbers stepped on his property on their way out of the neighbors house, he shot them while the cops were still on the line. Killed two of them, He faces no charges.
you dont rip on someone who's defenseless,
thats why you tell her not to
not curse at her. know your place.
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and the BF didnt say anything because its not his place, i assume its not his house. not because she was in the wrong.
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and i disagree about your idea that someone vomiting ruins the time.
i have thrown up countless times from drinking too much
i deal wiht my shit on my own. i can go to the bathroom and puke for a few minutes. clean myself up and return to the party and pose no kind of burden to anyone else. its not the "he drank himself stupid and was irresponsible", its the person as a whole. not his or her drinking habits.
(this is all at school, communal restroom)
i once drank myself so stupid i was caught by the police and taken to a medical center. people watched after me on their own accord, at no point did i appear to need care, i think, because i could always stand and held my consciousness perfectly well. i was hanging out in the bathroom because i felt ill, one of my friends came to take a piss and didnt leave because he didnt know how i was. he thought i may pass out, but i didnt.
i woke up in a medical center at 10 and blew a .2. I was goooonnee. but the rest of the party carried on.
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On July 12 2008 03:34 Gene wrote:
and lol "thats why i live in a civilised country"
is the USA not civilized?
you can shoot people trespassing on your property who "pose a threat" and after considerable warning.
pose a thread is in quotes because its incredibly flexible and open to lots of interpretation. simply not backing down after being asked to leave iirc is threat enough.
just the other day in the south, someones neighbor was being robbed, he watched the robbers come, vandalize the neighbors house, called the cops, was on the phone with them as they vandalized the house, watched the robbers start leaving, the cops hadnt shown up, as soon as the robbers stepped on his property on their way out of the neighbors house, he shot them while the cops were still on the line. Killed two of them, He faces no charges.
you dont rip on someone who's defenseless,
thats why you tell her not to
not curse at her. know your place.
Look there is no need to encourage vigilantes. I think the whole idea of everyone having a right to a gun is fucking retarded. America has the highest gun related deaths numbers in the world for a reason, and it has to do with that stupid fucking way of thinking.
This is not the point however. The reason he stood back was because there is very little that your going to accomplish by doing what she was doing. My friend was not going to remmember shit, I of course would have remmebered it as the night my friends mum ripped into a defenseless guy becuase she lost control of her rationality and emotions.
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i have thrown up countless times from drinking too much
Do people often mispronounce your name "pussy?" Jk 
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Yea, defend your home with a gun is stupid but yelling at someone because theyre angry that someone is messing up their property is not.
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he deserved it, he was an irresponsible prick making a mess out of her bathroom.
now she has to clean and disinfect her shit. your friend lost control of his stomach and responsibility. being yelled at was the least of his problems. if he's underage, he deserved to be taken to the cops.
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On July 12 2008 03:44 Gene wrote:
if he's underage, he deserved to be taken to the cops.
(for the record he is of legal age) Ok, I just have no words for this remark. It is that stupid.
This basically says one of two things.
"Im not of legal drinking age and have never had alcohol"
or
"Im of legal drinking age, yet never drank until I reached the appropriate age"
If these are wrong, then you are a hypocrit. Most people will drink before they are legally allowed to. It doesnt mean they are bad people. It just means that they wish to try something new.
EDIT: Ok, just read a previous post from you which said you did get soo drunk you had to go to a medical center. So as far as I can see, your the ultimate hipocrit.
Also, we cleaned up the bathroom pretty good. The vomit only went into the sink and that was cleaned up pretty promptly.
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no,
i am underage.
i have drank irresponsibly, and when i did, like i detailed, i went to the cops.
every other time i drank, i was responsible enough to not drink too much, and even more, i never threw up in someone elses house.
it is not that stupid. its that simple.
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On July 12 2008 03:51 Gene wrote:
no,
i am underage.
i have drank irresponsibly, and when i did, like i detailed, i went to the cops.
every other time i drank, i was responsible enough to not drink too much, and even more, i never threw up in someone elses house.
it is not that stupid. its that simple.
Ive seen my friend get drunk enough to yack twice. Once when he was at his own house, and tonight. He doesnt do this all the time. It was a one off thing where he succumbed to peer pressure from my friend (whos mother I got into a fight with).
Seeing as you underage, I can understand your viewpoint. I would say that a lack of experience makes up you current opinion. I think with time and more drinking experience, your viewpoint will change a bit.
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The direction of debates are becoming off.
All I'm going to say, Fen, is that if I were the mom, I would totally beat both of you up and kick you out of the house, conscious or not, period.
If you are still trying to hold on to your "argument" about "defending" your friend, after all the numerous replies here, telling that you are wrong, then so be it.
We can't forcely change what you think, but if you don't see the pattern of the replies here and why, then there isn't much that we can do, nor that you will be able to convince us that what you have done is right.
It is not.
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On July 12 2008 03:56 Fishball wrote:
The direction of debates are getting off.
All I'm going to say, Fen, is that if I were the mom, I would totally beat both of you up and kick you out of the house, conscious or not, period.
If you are still trying to hold on to your "argument" about "defending" your friend, after all the numerous replies here, telling that you are wrong, then so be it.
We can't forcely change what you think, but if you don't see the pattern of the replies here and why, then there isn't much that we can do, nor that you will be able to convince us that what you have done is right.
It is not.
Hey, Im almost sober right now. I understand everyones viewpoints and I would like to thank everyone for replying (sorry if I had a go at you).
I understand why she would be pissed off, trust me, I really do. The only reason I acted the way I did was because I needed to stick up for my friend. I will apologise tommorow of course, but the fact that everyone here would just abandon their friends and hang them out to dry kinda makes me worry about what kind of friends you guys really are. If your friend is in the wrong, you dont try and justify his actions, but you damn well better defend him when he cant defend himself. I expect the same in return from my friends in the same situation.
The fact that all of you would have let somone rip into one of your friends who couldnt defend himself and was at that point in tears is just wrong in my books. So hey, if you think im some asshole, I can deal with that. Im just standing up for what I believe in.
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defending your friend = good
yelling at mother / property owner = bad
so to speak, you're doing something good in principle, but due to bad execution things have gotten worse.
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It's not sticking up for friends when you're cussin at his mom... that's a worlds away from him getting into some shit at a bar and splitting the guys head open for fucking with your friend.
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