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On October 10 2019 03:06 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 00:55 HornyHerring wrote:
Am I the only one that feels this is in no way political? He acted like a retard spewing his own agenda abusing his broadcast time on Blizzards cost and got punished for it. I feel that if he was to do the same but instead talk about brexit or some other shit it would have ended up the same. Hmm This seems harsh on the caster, but from Blizzard's POV this is correct. Are we asking them to be arbiters of exactly what politics is allowed or are we asking them to allow all politics? If the answer is neither then Blizzard made the right call
I think it's absolutely fair for blizzard to not let their platform succumb to becoming some sort of politcal battlefield of ANY nature.It is simply not in a companies interest to agitate their customers against them. Also, their action does in no way reflect their stance on global politics and if they wanted to clearify it i doubt they would do so by letting some random gamer voice it for them. And if their casting staff failed to recongnise this on the spot then that is an excellent reason to let go of them. In this context it literally doesn't matter which party is polarized against, it could just as well have been Trumperica or any other political entity that represents a sizeable portion of their playerbase, the course of action taken by blizzard would have literally been the same.
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Northern Ireland23663 Posts
On October 10 2019 06:22 alpenrahm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 03:06 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 10 2019 00:55 HornyHerring wrote:
Am I the only one that feels this is in no way political? He acted like a retard spewing his own agenda abusing his broadcast time on Blizzards cost and got punished for it. I feel that if he was to do the same but instead talk about brexit or some other shit it would have ended up the same. Hmm This seems harsh on the caster, but from Blizzard's POV this is correct. Are we asking them to be arbiters of exactly what politics is allowed or are we asking them to allow all politics? If the answer is neither then Blizzard made the right call I think it's absolutely fair for blizzard to not let their platform succumb to becoming some sort of politcal battlefield of ANY nature.It is simply not in a companies interest to agitate their customers against them. Also, their action does in no way reflect their stance on global politics and if they wanted to clearify it i doubt they would do so by letting some random gamer voice it for them. And if their casting staff failed to recongnise this on the spot then that is an excellent reason to let go of them. In this context it literally doesn't matter which party is polarized against, it could just as well have been Trumperica or any other political entity that represents a sizeable portion of their playerbase, the course of action taken by blizzard would have literally been the same.
No they wouldn’t. I’ve watched broadcasts where commentators have made anti-Trump comments and nothing happened at all.
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Whatever was acceptable in a previous age, the camera is always on now, and if Blizzard has taken the stance of selectively silencing the oppressed just to keep their accursed ballgame going, they ought to rope PRC broadcasts and competitions off from cultures like those of Hong Kong and RoC that somewhat value freedom, let alone from Western spectators.
Instead, all of us together watched them pull a curtain around a predator and its prey.
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yeah all people have RIGHT.
but shut up Chinese,listen to the west.because we are the greatest!
Chinese 1.4 bilion people dont have right.
lul
if there is no sino-US trade war,Americans will never support the riots in HK.Because Hong Kong has not implemented their laws and beliefs.
yeah，shut up，CN.
but i wanna say :We really believe freedom of speech, not inviting Muslims to eat pork.
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On October 09 2019 07:21 naughtDE wrote:
For Blizzard, no matter how they reacted to this, they had to damage themselves. China's market is more valuable than the western market. It is an economic decision.
https://investor.activision.com/news-releases/news-release-details/activision-blizzard-announces-fourth-quarter-and-2018-financial
For 2018, Blizzard received 25% of their total revenues from the Asia Pacific region. Some fraction of that 25% belongs to China. For Activision-Blizzard as a whole, the Asia Pacific region accounted for only 13% of total revenue. The Western market is by far more important than the Chinese one.
Their western markets could never ban all Blizzard games like the Chinese market can though. So Blizzard has to weigh the cost of losing the entire Chinese market if they don't meet their demands, versus losing some small percentage of the western market in this backlash. I don't actually believe any such demands were made here, but I have no doubt that if China perceived Blizzard's platform to be antithetical to Chinese interests, that they would brandish that power over them, and Blizzard overreacted to make sure to stay on their good side.
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On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are.
i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you?
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On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you?
of course, just put the criminals in prisons! duh!
I propose we next shoot the Swiss
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I'm taking a break from my posting sabbatical to say this:
Every person who has voiced support for human rights, for fairness and against two-faced transnational corporate duplicity. Cheers to you.
Coming from a country that tramples over borders and lives with the wanton recklessness of a bull on pcp, I cannot support our involvement in anyway. We are hypocrites.
But, to the brave people of Hong Kong I wish you safety although you stand in front of a loaded gun, and to those willing to voice yourself in the vile and toxic world of gaming and esports - Thank you.
This world of full of "smart" men whose only goal in life is to argue and destroy anyone and anything that is even the slightest threat to a status quo.
Also, to anyone reading posts from Chinese users with hatred or disdain - please be kind. If your life was rated like a credit score on what you read, what you write, what you do ... it isn't just defending an ideology - it is about surviving in a country with a Billion people and a Million in concentrations camps. If your government had the ability over you that theirs does, you might be goosestepping yourself or spouting some bullshit online. For the record, I think they are batshit insane but ... I don't have a mother, or sister to protect and feed, or a job I need, or a liver that I need to keep off the "free market".
Also, to those of us with old accounts that can be traced fairly easily to our actual self - China is watching and the things you say could very well affect your ability to travel there - if you ever do.
I was unable to visit Israel based on forum comments on chessgames.com (for real) and even though I made it into China in 2017, I very much doubt they will let me back in anytime soon. I am not saying don't speak, I am saying - speak with a full heart, because your words may cost you, so make them worth it.
I am proud of so many of you for choosing to stand your ground and .... may it be the high ground!
I am so bummed that I won't be able to watch Jaedong/Flash/Serral/Dark and so many others play in major events anymore..... but yeah, Fuck the Chinese Govt. (Love to the Chinese people!).
I hope you don't mind my long post in your blog, if you do send a pm and I'll delete it.
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On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you?
You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol
Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that?
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On October 10 2019 16:44 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that?
at the end of the day like it or not hongkong is china so..
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Italy12246 Posts
On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you?
This post makes no sense on so many different levels I can't even
a) The extradition law has much broader implications for HK's indipendence and relationship to mainland China
b) Nobody is manifesting in favour of murder
c) Using live rounds against any protest is still a breach of human rights
d) China don't exactly have the cleanest history when it comes down to repressing political dissent
e) I'm no law expert but I don't see why it would be impossible to write a law that allows extradition exclusively to Taiwan
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On October 10 2019 16:48 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 16:44 De4ngus wrote:On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that? at the end of the day like it or not hongkong is china so..
Actually no, and it's why the protest happened in the first place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration
"like it or not"
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On October 10 2019 16:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 16:48 Major wrote:On October 10 2019 16:44 De4ngus wrote:On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that? at the end of the day like it or not hongkong is china so.. Actually no, and it's why the protest happened in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration"like it or not"
Under the National Law of the PRC, all Hong Kong Chinese compatriots, whether they are holders of the 'British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport' or not, are Chinese nationals. u link somethng and dont read it or what?
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On October 10 2019 17:04 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 16:58 Ej_ wrote:On October 10 2019 16:48 Major wrote:On October 10 2019 16:44 De4ngus wrote:On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that? at the end of the day like it or not hongkong is china so.. Actually no, and it's why the protest happened in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration"like it or not" Under the National Law of the PRC, all Hong Kong Chinese compatriots, whether they are holders of the 'British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport' or not, are Chinese nationals. u link somethng and dont read it or what?
They are citizens of China*, reside in HK which currently does not honor extradition with mainland China.
HK is to be an independent body of China until 2050 (at least in my layman understanding).
To my understanding it is also that it's a rather complicated issue for the citizens of HK themselves, hence the protests this year, regarding the proposed extradition bill.
It definitely doesn't look like "Hong Kong is China"
*although that's taken from a Wikipedia article and maybe someone might explain it better, if it's not exactly true
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On October 10 2019 17:04 Major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 16:58 Ej_ wrote:On October 10 2019 16:48 Major wrote:On October 10 2019 16:44 De4ngus wrote:On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that? at the end of the day like it or not hongkong is china so.. Actually no, and it's why the protest happened in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration"like it or not" Under the National Law of the PRC, all Hong Kong Chinese compatriots, whether they are holders of the 'British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport' or not, are Chinese nationals. u link somethng and dont read it or what? British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport doesn't exist any more. Many went overseas and now have British Citizenship for instance. Does China own them too? China thinks so. Being a citizen of a country does not mean that country owns that person and should be subject to loss of rights whenever that country desires so.
People in Hong Kong no longer associate themselves as belonging to the People's Republic of China, which is funny since during the handover so many did.
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Northern Ireland22203 Posts
On October 10 2019 17:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 17:04 Major wrote:On October 10 2019 16:58 Ej_ wrote:On October 10 2019 16:48 Major wrote:On October 10 2019 16:44 De4ngus wrote:On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? You really think that one incident is a good reason to allow human rights-abusing mainland China to extradite your people freely? "Does that sound good to you?" lol Honestly, could you really not think of a better solution than that? at the end of the day like it or not hongkong is china so.. Actually no, and it's why the protest happened in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration"like it or not" Under the National Law of the PRC, all Hong Kong Chinese compatriots, whether they are holders of the 'British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport' or not, are Chinese nationals. u link somethng and dont read it or what? British Dependent Territories Citizens' Passport doesn't exist any more. Many went overseas and now have British Citizenship for instance. Does China own them too? China thinks so. Being a citizen of a country does not mean that country owns that person and should be subject to loss of rights whenever that country desires so. People in Hong Kong no longer associate themselves as belonging to the People's Republic of China, which is funny since during the handover so many did.
honestly, China believes that all ethnic chinese, regardless of nationality, belong to China
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On October 10 2019 16:52 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2019 15:04 Major wrote:On October 09 2019 19:32 Teoita wrote:
Just to be safe, I'll preface this by saying that the following are my own views and are in no way, shape or form an official stance of TL.net or the wider Teamliquid organisation (of which I'm not even part of).
Having gotten that out of the way, fuck Blizzard with a flaming cactus and fuck their authoritarian Chinese overlords. They can fuck over their franchises with pointless predatory phone games designed for the Chinese market all they want, but human rights is where one should draw the line. Taking the side of people using live ammunition against protestors is wrong, the fact that this is even up for debate is proof of just how fragile human rights are. i invite you to do some research on why the protest started. a hongkong man killed his gf on taiwan and fly back to hk and couldnt go to jail cuz no extradictions laws. does that sound good to you? This post makes no sense on so many different levels I can't even a) The extradition law has much broader implications for HK's indipendence and relationship to mainland China b) Nobody is manifesting in favour of murder c) Using live rounds against any protest is still a breach of human rights d) China don't exactly have the cleanest history when it comes down to repressing political dissent e) I'm no law expert but I don't see why it would be impossible to write a law that allows extradition exclusively to Taiwan
Yep, the primary concern voiced by opponents of the extradition bill was that it basically allowed for the import of China's legal system into Hong Kong, with the latter having a very different court system that places far more importance on individual, contract, and civil rights than China's. Based on the language of the extradition bill, Hong Kong would be forced to accept and implement certain legal determinations made in China even when Hong Kong judges determine otherwise. The Hong Kong Bar Association has repeatedly pointed this out in its criticism.
The whole thing clearly contradicts the terms of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, such as "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be vested with executive, legislative and independent judicial power, including that of final adjudication. The laws currently in force in Hong Kong will remain basically unchanged." The extradition bill overrides the rule that final adjudications made in Hong Kong will be respected. And that's just one of a host of the problems pointed out by the opposition.
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This is reminding me of Japan in the 1930s with the stealing and undercutting in economics by Beijing. And the belligerent talking down and threats and nationalist chest beating by Beijing. And the militarism by Beijing. And the repression and brutality and authoritarianism by Beijing, with the only difference being Beijing's main target right now is its own people when Tokyo's was the countries around Japan.
Right now.
Extremely worrying situation with China throwing its weight around more and more and the US (government, at least) shifting to a more and more confrontational stance towards the CCP. This is the kinda stuff people look back on after the war starts and say "well damn we shoulda seen it coming, look what was going on 10 years ago." :/
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On October 09 2019 08:26 BerserkSword wrote:
Blizzard is a company. Companies need money to survive.
With this argument you could justify ANY decision a company makes to increase profits. That alone should show you how flawed and shortsighted your way of thinking is.
Also, you could say that not only about companies but every single person in the world. And I certainly don't accept people wanting more money as an excuse for supporting a fascistic regime. Do you?
This, coupled with the fact that Blizzard as a company has a lot more power - and thus responsibility - than your average natural person, makes "FUCK YOU BLIZZARD" the only reasonable response to what they are doing.
I know that it is not customary to hold companies to such a high standards. On the other hand I do not see one reason why we shouldn't do it.
TLDR: Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you very much.
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Northern Ireland23663 Posts
On October 10 2019 23:35 Loisl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 08:26 BerserkSword wrote:
Blizzard is a company. Companies need money to survive. With this argument you could justify ANY decision a company makes to increase profits. That alone should show you how flawed and shortsighted your way of thinking is. Also, you could say that not only about companies but every single person in the world. And I certainly don't accept people wanting more money as an excuse for supporting a fascistic regime. Do you? This, coupled with the fact that Blizzard as a company has a lot more power - and thus responsibility - than your average natural person, makes "FUCK YOU BLIZZARD" the only reasonable response to what they are doing. I know that it is not customary to hold companies to such a high standards. On the other hand I do not see one reason why we shouldn't do it. TLDR: Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you very much.
Blizzard last time I checked became the studio it did almost entirely off Western markets anyway.
There’s plenty of money in the West to keep Blizz ticking over and ‘surviving’, they just want all the money.
It’s a problem in the industry across the board, companies don’t want to take risks on good products that merely turn a decent profit, if it’s not another Fortnite or League or WoW then why bother?
I hope that this stuff crashes on them eventually and all these greedy fucks get their just deserts, without the creatives in said companies getting fucked, but I concede that is rather unlikely.
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