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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Blizzard could had simply said "no politics" and ban the guys for a month, sending out a clear message of "no politics". Or when similar has occured in the past, just ignored it. Instead Blizzard went full crackdown and "defending China's honour", deleted the videos, sending a clear message that they are simply following China's censoring rules. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27085 Posts
On October 11 2019 19:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Footballers don't get essentially a lifetime ban (a year in esports is basically lifetime) and not get paid for their season's earning for taking their shirts off. Blizzard could had simply said "no politics" and ban the guys for a month, sending out a clear message of "no politics". Or when similar has occured in the past, just ignored it. Instead Blizzard went full crackdown and "defending China's honour", deleted the videos, sending a clear message that they are simply following China's censoring rules. That is what I already said, albeit in a more rambling and unclear sense. Even aside from currently not being a particularly high paying gig, and also Blizzard running tournaments instead of third party organisations, eSports doesn’t pay well for most people outside of the very, very top and being out of action for a year it’s extremely difficult to get back. So it’s very difficult to take any kind of stance if all these factors are taken into account. Blizzard directly runs so much of the eSport games its made, rather than just being the developer who made them. Nobody in SC2 has yet got back to the top post-military service for example. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On October 11 2019 03:40 Gorgonoth wrote: What’s even more effective in stamping out remaining thoughtful discussion is making incoherent responses to good points being raised and then exploding when you are asked to explain them and making personal attacks. I just thought it was funny how Lolsi is clearly the one responsible for his lashing out and name calling , and you instead pick out the fact that Jock asked why he was so upset. No that’s not rage baiting at its worst sorry. I went back and reread and I think I was in the wrong, I should've taken a better look at the context Sorry Joc, my B | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4342 Posts
This was a very controversial image in its day in 1936. German Olympic Athlete throwing his hand up in the Nazi Salute in protest during the Star Spangled Banner when a black American man took gold. Was it in poor taste? Certainly. Did it offend a large group of people. Yes and no. Depends on your geography during that era. Some praised him, others were horrified. Were the Tournament Olympic Organizers upset about it? I’m sure they were, it WAS in POOR taste and I’m sure not very sportsman like and I’m sure there were rules against it. But Was the Athlete punished? No. He was allowed to say his piece, or show his dissatisfaction in a sense, without losing his medal or being thrown out of the Olympics. So despite what was going on in the world at that time. Aryan Supremacy and all that. People still had the FREEDOM of speech to express, one way or the other, without fear of punishment. Does this mean people want to see a guy yelling something radical every single game or sports event or competition? I’m sure many people don’t want to but that does not give anyone the right the remove that individuals right to SAYING something. Even if you or I do or do not agree with it. What Activision Blizzard and China are doing is removing ANY and ALL FREEDOM of speech and going so far as to punish those that try to express that freedom. That is where I am opposed and encourage others to not let this stand. What this is about, in my mind, is not what is happening in Hong Kong. Yes, it is in the news and many Westerners support the protesters but what else can we do? It’s terrible what is happening. It shouldn’t be happening. Much like what happened in Germany before World War 2. But what has really gotten people riled up in the West and what I feel this is TRUELY about is Blitz’s FREEDOM to voice his dissatisfaction and being punished for it and this is where the majority of the world is not going to stand idly by and let that happen. We shouldn’t let it happen and God have mercy on us for whenever the day comes people are willing to give up that Freedom without a fight. This is something that many of us actually can make a difference by deleting our accounts, stop buying Activision Blizzard products and even going as far as to opposed products from China. To recap. This is about the suppression of people being able to have a voice and being heard. Even if it isn’t a message some people want to hear, people should still have the freedom to say it without consequences. Those that seek to eliminate that freedom should be the ones punished. Activision Blizzard and China... you deserve all the hate being thrown your way right now. Edit: And now Riot Games. Fuck you too Riot. https://kotaku.com/riot-forbids-league-of-legends-players-and-commentators-1838978263 | ||
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aSpeaker
26 Posts
About why ban the casters...? "Speak up those eight words，hurry up"（fight XXXXXhk，you know） “After you say those eight words, we'll end and not to discuss any more.” “Now let's hide our heads.haha” Casters just induces the player to make political comments.In fact, the Chinese who are concerned about it just feel that the Hong Kong player has been used by casters.Of course, we can't accept it either. I do not know if more western people may think it hurting freedom of speech？ I don't mind being a porter if someone wants to know something about the Chinese Internet. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
of course... the taiwanese were just using blitzchung. | ||
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aSpeaker
26 Posts
On October 12 2019 06:26 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/11/article-1205901-06080B2D000005DC-976_468x450.jpg This was a very controversial image in its day in 1936. German Olympic Athlete throwing his hand up in the Nazi Salute in protest during the Star Spangled Banner when a black American man took gold. Was it in poor taste? Certainly. Did it offend a large group of people. Yes and no. Depends on your geography during that era. Some praised him, others were horrified. Were the Tournament Olympic Organizers upset about it? I’m sure they were, it WAS in POOR taste and I’m sure not very sportsman like and I’m sure there were rules against it. But Was the Athlete punished? No. He was allowed to say his piece, or show his dissatisfaction in a sense, without losing his medal or being thrown out of the Olympics. So despite what was going on in the world at that time. Aryan Supremacy and all that. People still had the FREEDOM of speech to express, one way or the other, without fear of punishment. Does this mean people want to see a guy yelling something radical every single game or sports event or competition? I’m sure many people don’t want to but that does not give anyone the right the remove that individuals right to SAYING something. Even if you or I do or do not agree with it. What Activision Blizzard and China are doing is removing ANY and ALL FREEDOM of speech and going so far as to punish those that try to express that freedom. That is where I am opposed and encourage others to not let this stand. What this is about, in my mind, is not what is happening in Hong Kong. Yes, it is in the news and many Westerners support the protesters but what else can we do? It’s terrible what is happening. It shouldn’t be happening. Much like what happened in Germany before World War 2. But what has really gotten people riled up in the West and what I feel this is TRUELY about is Blitz’s FREEDOM to voice his dissatisfaction and being punished for it and this is where the majority of the world is not going to stand idly by and let that happen. We shouldn’t let it happen and God have mercy on us for whenever the day comes people are willing to give up that Freedom without a fight. This is something that many of us actually can make a difference by deleting our accounts, stop buying Activision Blizzard products and even going as far as to opposed products from China. To recap. This is about the suppression of people being able to have a voice and being heard. Even if it isn’t a message some people want to hear, people should still have the freedom to say it without consequences. Those that seek to eliminate that freedom should be the ones punished. Activision Blizzard and China... you deserve all the hate being thrown your way right now. Edit: And now Riot Games. Fuck you too Riot. https://kotaku.com/riot-forbids-league-of-legends-players-and-commentators-1838978263 I don't think it's appropriate to express one's political views in the contest. This will make entertainment products politicized. I don't think any Western friends would like to see more political slogans in the contest. This will make entertainment products become political propaganda tools.It's like the Catalan flag seen on the NBA. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4342 Posts
See NFL. Go back to your Chinese forums you fucking robot. I’m so sick of reading the garbage you spew. If you actually had your own freedom to speak your mind and not a government approved script you keep copy pasting everywhere I would actually respect you. | ||
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aSpeaker
26 Posts
On October 13 2019 01:06 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: Political views are already in sports. They’ve been in sports since at least the last century. See NFL. Go back to your Chinese forums you fucking robot. I’m so sick of reading the garbage you spew. If you actually had your own freedom to speak your mind and not a government approved script you keep copy pasting everywhere I would actually respect you. I have the right to express my own views in this forum and put away your double standard set. You can't speak ill for me because you disagree. I'm not going to change your mind either, you fuck democratic robot. You don't want me to talk like CPC you hate. | ||
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Loisl
21 Posts
On October 12 2019 15:58 aSpeaker wrote: I don't think it's appropriate to express one's political views in the contest. This will make entertainment products politicized. I don't think any Western friends would like to see more political slogans in the contest. This will make entertainment products become political propaganda tools.It's like the Catalan flag seen on the NBA. I disagree completely. I do not see a problem with politics being a normal topic to talk about, even or especially in an entertainment context. I think it is much more divisive if people can not talk about their views and discuss them. Also, if it is completely normal for everyone involved to voice their political opinions in that context, the potential for abuse as a propaganda tool is MUCH MUCH lower, since a discussion is possible. | ||
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aSpeaker
26 Posts
On October 13 2019 17:27 Loisl wrote: I disagree completely. I do not see a problem with politics being a normal topic to talk about, even or especially in an entertainment context. I think it is much more divisive if people can not talk about their views and discuss them. Also, if it is completely normal for everyone involved to voice their political opinions in that context, the potential for abuse as a propaganda tool is MUCH MUCH lower, since a discussion is possible. But I just want to relax and watch a game, without politics, race and religion. If I want to discuss these things, why not go to the social platform? Is there pan-politicization enough ? Perhaps the idea is to start the improvement of differences, but will people do this? I can choose not to watch this program, and the final difference is still It is there. We can discuss this in the forum as much as we do now. | ||
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Samsakzerg
61 Posts
On October 13 2019 18:16 aSpeaker wrote: But I just want to relax and watch a game, without politics, race and religion. If I want to discuss these things, why not go to the social platform? Is there pan-politicization enough ? Perhaps the idea is to start the improvement of differences, but will people do this? I can choose not to watch this program, and the final difference is still It is there. We can discuss this in the forum as much as we do now. What China is doing right on to its ethnic groups and Hongkong is not politics, its not some sort of a dicussion topic. The chinese government needs to be stopped before another terrible mistake like Nazi germany is commited, its possibly already happening, google Uyghur camps, organ harvesting etc. Sure we can close our eyes and enjoy our temporary comfortable lives, or we can stand up to evil when we see it. Games, sports are nothing in comparison. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
On October 13 2019 18:16 aSpeaker wrote: But I just want to relax and watch a game, without politics, race and religion. If I want to discuss these things, why not go to the social platform? Is there pan-politicization enough ? Perhaps the idea is to start the improvement of differences, but will people do this? I can choose not to watch this program, and the final difference is still It is there. We can discuss this in the forum as much as we do now. I really don't think games are effected by the interviews that much. Just don't watch an interview if you don't want to hear what someone has to say. eidt: And by the same token don't have an interview if people aren't allowed to say anything. | ||
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baiesradu
Romania150 Posts
I will not uninstall SC and SC2 but I won't give Blizzard money for a long time . | ||
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Greth
Belgium318 Posts
On October 15 2019 21:24 baiesradu wrote: I am happy to join the fuck you Blizzard train. It's well earned and something has to change. I will not uninstall SC and SC2 but I won't give Blizzard money for a long time . I don't understand people wanting to stop playing the games because of this. Brood war in particular has existed without but a second glance from our blue overlords. They haven't given a shit about BW in years. Suddenly with remastered we should all once more be beholden to them for a half assed skin job? And now that they fucked up we're on the hook if we keep playing the same game that we've played for years? No. WE OWN BROOD WAR. It is OURS. Just because we got forced to pay for Remastered just so we could interact with the lost sheep that tried to give BW a try doesn't mean we owe an ounce of gratitude. And honestly, the same goes for WoW Classic and the private servers that existed before. There is a reason why communities need to be able to tell the devs to fuck off. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8266 Posts
On October 15 2019 21:59 Greth wrote: I don't understand people wanting to stop playing the games because of this. Brood war in particular has existed without but a second glance from our blue overlords. They haven't given a shit about BW in years. Suddenly with remastered we should all once more be beholden to them for a half assed skin job? And now that they fucked up we're on the hook if we keep playing the same game that we've played for years? No. WE OWN BROOD WAR. It is OURS. Just because we got forced to pay for Remastered just so we could interact with the lost sheep that tried to give BW a try doesn't mean we owe an ounce of gratitude. And honestly, the same goes for WoW Classic and the private servers that existed before. There is a reason why communities need to be able to tell the devs to fuck off. The only issue is that every time you boot up the Battle.net launcher, Blizzard receives a tick and notes you down as a recurring player, which (indirectly and a bit convoluted) increases their stock value. So even if you don't pay them a dime, you help them out by playing their games. I dunno about Broodwar as I haven't played it in years. Didn't that move on to battle.net launcher as well? Or does it still run on the old system? If it's the latter, then I see no reason for you not to do play it. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19141 Posts
On October 12 2019 15:58 aSpeaker wrote: I don't think it's appropriate to express one's political views in the contest. This will make entertainment products politicized. I don't think any Western friends would like to see more political slogans in the contest. This will make entertainment products become political propaganda tools.It's like the Catalan flag seen on the NBA. I couldn't agree more. Seeing how the political left in the US and EU is politicising the culture to such a high degree already, almost up to the point that it's becoming hard to separate from politics, I actually support the concept here. The way Blizzard went about this and the manner in which they communicated it however reeks of incompetence. If the above message to separate the culture from politics, with which I wholeheartedly agree, is the intent they sure as hell fucked it up something fierce. In short, I kinda do understand part of the frustration on both sides here seeing as how blizz went about it's business. How Psionic is expressing his discontent here in his blog and in the general forum topic however just illustrates to me how rabid SJW's are and how they are the largest threat to society we face at the moment. This whole cancel culture and they way they are politicising culture in general while "depersonising" anyone who doesn't agree with their, in my opinion radical, beliefs and positions isn't treated as a person and with any respect anymore. We all still have to live with eachother and I think this puts an axe to our common society tree. We used to disagree on politics and go watch a movie together, but this is becoming less and less possible due to the lefts ostracising. TLDR: Keep politics out of my entertainment, why give a shit what a private company does that doesn't incite violence or liables anyone and we should all play nice and treat eachother with respect so we can at least have a civil discussion when we, inevitably, disagree with eachother. | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On October 20 2019 01:10 Nyovne wrote: How Psionic is expressing his discontent here in his blog and in the general forum topic however just illustrates to me how rabid SJW's are and how they are the largest threat to society we face at the moment. This whole cancel culture and they way they are politicising culture in general while "depersonising" anyone who doesn't agree with their, in my opinion radical, beliefs and positions isn't treated as a person and with any respect anymore. Lolwut Funnier still is that I agree with large parts of what you're saying. But let's not exaggerate here. I also don't even know how or think it is "SJW" to take a stand against Blizzard or China in this issue. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On October 20 2019 01:10 Nyovne wrote: TLDR: Keep politics out of my entertainment, yes lets all cater to your needs because you're the victim here | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
HOTS has been just forgotten about and neglected to where everyone just bailed. Hearthstone is a trash game that just releases luck based shit over and over and is a grind or money sink to stay competitive. D3 has been trash since like a year after it came out. No one cares D-I was booed out of existence, they barely even mentioned it at blizzcon. ACTIVISION MERGER. Nuff said Remastered was pretty cool, but im still kinda pissed about the fact that I cant even do /time on bnet and the search games function needs more tick boxes. Plus its fucking BW, how can you even fuck that up, its already great so just add some new shine and a few new features and its just polishing gold. Plus unless you go korean server to ladder or play fastest shit, you get like average 500 users on bnet. Which is ded gaem. Reforged is cool looking, but i dont really care all that much about WC3 even though I played the shit out of it. D4 looks like it is cool but whatever, its ARPG that shit is tired and an endgame grind for no purpose. Who really cares about that anymore? Ive played like 4-5 ARPGs to end game at this point, why would I want to play another one. If they actually have the PvP battleground shit like they promised in D3, then maybe I will care. Who cares about WoW at all? Overwatch is just team based FPS suckfest. No interest at all. Same for DLC, er I mean OW2. What else, everything is mediocre at best at this point. Then you got them being all PC politcal this shit, fuck em. Fuck gaming, fuck corporations, fuck govts, fuck it. Have a beer, play some pool, lift some weights, and learn to 360 flip before you get too old. Afterthought, You know what would actually be pretty nifty. If they totally remasted WC2 and balanced a bunch of shit, as well as changed some of the UI and stuff to be more like SC:BW, like hotkeys and queue, and more unit selection, etc. I'd fuck with that. Maybe toss in some new units for shits and gigs. | ||
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