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Hey guys, since I have a new project I wanted to share it with TL, which has been my home and probably the site I've visited the most in my life. It's been a long time from my last blog and since I am going to start a new journey and I'm super excited I felt like writing about it.
I basically blogged the project on LiquidPoker http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/1117981/Road_to_100k,_a_brand_new_start.html
Long story short I was playing poker for the last year coached by an italian poker school. I was starting to make good money but not enough as I expected considering all the hard work I put into it, and then I found out my coaches were a fraud and slowed my progress on purpose for their own short term benefit (sometimes I forget to never trust italians at work)
After a bit of emotional trauma I decided to change discipline and now I'm playing cash poker for the last month (which is going really well) and I decided I will do anything it takes to make 100k€ from now on until the end of 2015. I also discovered that poker could be as interesting and fascinating as Starcraft and I have to say I didn't feel so excited from when I was becoming a top player in Brood War.
I often get messages from Starcraft people asking me where I am, and this is pretty much what I've been doing and my plans for the future. Right now I'm healthy, I also have a great girlfriend for a year that I love a lot and I'm really happy with my life. Thinking that only a few years back depression was taking away all the appreciation I should have had for my beautiful experience as Starcraft progamer is incredible, and I definitely I want to enjoy my life to the fullest right now.
I will keep you guys updated sporadically here, if you visit my blog on liquidpoker though I'll be posting my progress in poker there constantly. Of course if there is any question I will be happy to answer 
 
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Ah the memories. Learning poker was a great experience. GL
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You want to make 100k euro from poker in under 18 months?
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On October 30 2014 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Ah the memories. Learning poker was a great experience. GL
Thanks Nazgul. By the way I never told you but I still remember studying every single move and build order you did in your PvZ replays back then when I started. Your PvZs on Blade Storm (was it the correct map name? I can't remember) were epic. Back then I had the same feeling I have now for poker
On October 30 2014 03:50 Capped wrote:
You want to make 100k euro from poker in under 18 months?
Yep. 100k euro consisting of net won + rakeback
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Good luck. Hopefully you don't make "common" mistake that you go too fast play big money and lose some serious money.
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Best of luck, Cloud! Just take it one step at a time.
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Germany25649 Posts
Just out of curiosity, can you explain how these coaches slowed you down on purpose? Did they give you bad advice so you would require their services for alonger period of time? I've never been coached in poker before (or anything really) and I have no idea how it works^^
Other than that, sounds awesome! Hope you kick ass at poker
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On October 30 2014 05:09 KadaverBB wrote:Just out of curiosity, can you explain how these coaches slowed you down on purpose? Did they give you bad advice so you would require their services for alonger period of time? I've never been coached in poker before (or anything really) and I have no idea how it works^^ Other than that, sounds awesome! Hope you kick ass at poker
Last time I spoke with him, he told me he believed that if I made too much money I wouldn't pay him, so I just think he was aiming to make me make only a moderate amount of money (btw when he told me this I was like are u fucking kidding me). He often gave me advice that would be the exact opposite of what he told other times, and his explaination often was "you are not good enough at poker to understand all the variables in place here" followed by some kind of backwards rationalization of what he said. Also he was playing the higher stakes of my format, so he did not want to make a good player out of somebody who could take his money later on.
I was just very dumb to let him fool me for a year, but I was told by other sources he was a great player, so I kept going thinking that eventually I would understand the game and start winning big.
He also hid from me every source of information and said SNG stuff was outdated. One of many examples would be there is a book by Colin Moshman that explains all the theory of SNG (Sit'n Go, the poker format I was playing at the time) and he told me to never read it because it was bad info. In fact it's the best book a beginner could read, but Colin Moshman has his own school of poker and he charges half of the guy running the italian school (LOL) so he didn't want me to find out this piece of information.
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I think the unavoidable swings in poker are not suited to someone with a depressive personality.
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On October 30 2014 09:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the unavoidable swings in poker are not suited to someone with a depressive personality.
Perhaps, but I assure you at the time I was depressed for legit reasons. When it comes to downswings you just take them like a man and never complain.
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Carlo! So happy to read this dude. Wish you all the success in poker and life.
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wow, was he teaching you one on one, or was it more of a small class. Super dickish thing to do did u tell other people learning under him?
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best of luck, you can add me on skype if you want, I don't mind giving advices on hand histories you'd be puzzled about
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not a single cookie monster #dissapointed
but congratz on finding a new passion, I just found some of my own and life is a lot more exciting when your studying 8 hours a day on something you really care about!
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100K?! now that's a lot of money :D I wish you the best of luck! 
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You want 100k within 18 months, how much have you won so far? Stakes? ROI? How realistic is this?
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I remember playing lots of micro tourney with you last year. glad to see you are doing well
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glad to hear you are doing well.
for what it's worth, my favorite sc2 viewing and learning was watching you coach take.
gl hf!
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On October 30 2014 04:20 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Ah the memories. Learning poker was a great experience. GL Thanks Nazgul. By the way I never told you but I still remember studying every single move and build order you did in your PvZ replays back then when I started. Your PvZs on Blade Storm (was it the correct map name? I can't remember) were epic. Back then I had the same feeling I have now for poker
Thanks :D
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Germany25649 Posts
Could you recommend some reading for an absolute beginner? I am slightly interested and might check it out
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On October 30 2014 19:13 KadaverBB wrote:Could you recommend some reading for an absolute beginner? I am slightly interested and might check it out
Pokerstrategy.com is awesome for beginners.
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There's an appeal to poker as a game where progress means making money. But there's also the fact that the way you make money is basically by finding a big fish (aka a person with a gambling problem or a person who moved up stakes too fast) and basically abusing them, while contributing nothing to the welfare of others.
There's been some times when a much better player at StarCraft wanted to play bet games with me, and I was like "Why would I ever do that?" Poker seems like the equivalent of that except for some reason people are like "hell yeah I wanna lose $500 playing a game with someone who outclasses me. That's what makes it exciting! And what if my 4pool/low pair bluff works!"
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do not kid yourself by thinking you contribute to anything by playing SC2 Chef though because you are not, poker is really just more "expensive" of a game
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United States996 Posts
its a really hard time to get into poker these days so i hope you're ready to work nonstop for a long long time.
good luck with it all and dont forget to post hh questions @ lp ^_^
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On October 30 2014 10:33 MrBitter wrote:
Carlo! So happy to read this dude. Wish you all the success in poker and life.
Hey Ben I miss the good times when we were all in Germany. Hope you are doing great as you are used to do!
On October 30 2014 12:26 ROOTFayth wrote:
best of luck, you can add me on skype if you want, I don't mind giving advices on hand histories you'd be puzzled about
Oh mate, it's been a long time, and you even got married Sure I'll add you on skype right now
On October 30 2014 19:13 KadaverBB wrote:Could you recommend some reading for an absolute beginner? I am slightly interested and might check it out
I don't think I am the best person to ask for this. I saw on IveyLeague a very good coach suggested these books:
DUCY by David Sklansky
NLHE Theory And Practice by David Sklansky
Professional NLHE Volume 1 by Matt Flynn
Harrington On Hold'em by Dan Harrington
Fooled By Randomness By Nicholas Taleb
Millionaire Real Estate Investor by Gary Keller
On October 31 2014 00:02 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
its a really hard time to get into poker these days so i hope you're ready to work nonstop for a long long time.
good luck with it all and dont forget to post hh questions @ lp ^_^
You are absolutely right and I am well aware of this. I am not deluding myself into thinking I am a genius and will perform better than anybody else. I am just willing to bet all my life on this and I will definitely work non stop towards my goal.
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On October 31 2014 00:02 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
its a really hard time to get into poker these days so i hope you're ready to work nonstop for a long long time.
good luck with it all and dont forget to post hh questions @ lp ^_^
Yeah I stopped in 2010 when it became very clear to me that I had better BATNAs (best alternative to negotiated available), the "available" being pokers. 
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Katowice25012 Posts
Fooled by Randomnesss is one of my favorite books of all time and I'm really happy my studies in poker brought me to that. In a lot of ways thats how I branched off into doing esports things too so it had some impact on the course of my life.
Really suggest reading if you're into poker.
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I wish you best luck, you will need it! But it is definitly possible, i did a race to 100k as well but in two years. First it seamed impossible hard piece of work but i made it. I was 17 at the time i began and mad it slightly after two years of grinding (6days a week cash games and 1 day mtt's). I didn't use any coach or program. I tried to find my own style by playing 6 tabels micro stacks. I grinded a couple of thousands of hands to finaly be positive in my bankroll everyday.
On wich poker site do you play?
Best of luck
Peter
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While I understand poker is fun and can make money, Have you thought about a back up plan for the possibility it doesn't work out?
Personally, I enjoy poker, but I think the opportunity cost and risks are high and maybe education would be a better way to earn 100k
Whatever you decide, gl and hf !
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On November 01 2014 01:06 lantz wrote:
While I understand poker is fun and can make money, Have you thought about a back up plan for the possibility it doesn't work out?
Personally, I enjoy poker, but I think the opportunity cost and risks are high and maybe education would be a better way to earn 100k
Whatever you decide, gl and hf !
No offense, but people who think education is the solid way to go to earn money need to be brought back to the real world.
Nothing is better than anything else, all that matters is that you enjoy it and that you do it well.
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finally hearing about ClouD again makes me so happy ;D
I still vividly remember how you explained what "Limoncello" is on TakeTV and how often you were coaching Take and had to drink everytime he lost (or won?!, anyways, awesome drinking game).
are you still working on your other project?
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On October 30 2014 23:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
do not kid yourself by thinking you contribute to anything by playing SC2 Chef though because you are not, poker is really just more "expensive" of a game
I don't play SC2.
Poker is also basically free (not counting time spent) if you manage your bank-roll properly and get one of those online poker promotional offers for starting. But obviously the people you really want to play with to make money off are also people who are feeding money into the system because they have a problem, and you enable that problem by playing with them. You can say they have a problem with or without me, or think of it as natural selection / stupid tax, but I think it's worth giving thought to whether you really feel that way or you're dismissing it because it's convenient.
I have a job that does contribute to the welfare of others that I do when I am not entertaining myself. The most you can say for full-time poker is that some poker players play on TV some of the time, and it's a fine thing to entertain others, but I don't know if that outweighs the social costs. For people who aren't playing on TV, they produce nothing, which is kinda parasitic. At best you can imagine you're taking money from rich people and distributing it elsewhere, which is pretty wishful thinking.
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yeah it's kind of a void point since we could be saying that about soooo many jobs
also I meant poker was more expensive for the recreational players who are feeding the professionals obviously, just like some average SC players are sinking a ton of time into the game to achieve virtually nothing besides entertaining themselves (same thing as poker for rec players)
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Most jobs do not provide value to humanity, and many of them actually destroy people's health (which is obviously more important than expendable money on poker), so I don't really get the hate on poker when, for example, the food industry is killing millions of people every year and the entertainment industry is turning kids into retarded puppets. Nobody is forced to do anything, and by the way if you hate people wasting their money then you should be even angrier about the guys donating on twitchtv.
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On November 01 2014 04:15 Daumen wrote:finally hearing about ClouD again makes me so happy ;D I still vividly remember how you explained what "Limoncello" is on TakeTV and how often you were coaching Take and had to drink everytime he lost (or won?!, anyways, awesome drinking game). are you still working on your other project?
My other project is completed since a long time. Right now I moved to newer endeavours involving whole body change.
Don't have weird ideas, I just meant diet and gym
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I provide value to humanity on a daily basis.
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Wait... there is a liquidpoker forum? Cloud, you just changed my life. Thank you.
I also recently got into poker again but I suck. I hope you'll continue to post occasionaly, I am extremely interested. A friend of mine makes about 1k a month and I am trying to get to a point where I make more than 0.3-0.5$ an hour (with no success).
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On November 01 2014 05:48 aTnClouD wrote:
Most jobs do not provide value to humanity, and many of them actually destroy people's health (which is obviously more important than expendable money on poker), so I don't really get the hate on poker when, for example, the food industry is killing millions of people every year and the entertainment industry is turning kids into retarded puppets. Nobody is forced to do anything, and by the way if you hate people wasting their money then you should be even angrier about the guys donating on twitchtv.
it's true man. there are a lot of industries that do quite a bit of harm. but there are also lots of industries that provide benefit as well. Overall the problem lies with humanity itself.
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Good to hear from ya Cloud, although I see quite frequently commenting in the One Piece thread, the best series in the world!
Are you also playing live in some shady mafia underground cashgames haha?
Also only Stars or multiplattforming?
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On November 02 2014 02:08 sephiria wrote:
Wait... there is a liquidpoker forum? Cloud, you just changed my life. Thank you.
I also recently got into poker again but I suck. I hope you'll continue to post occasionaly, I am extremely interested. A friend of mine makes about 1k a month and I am trying to get to a point where I make more than 0.3-0.5$ an hour (with no success).
Haha, yeah, I took one of those free $20 on some site, and oscillated between 10 and 20 on lowest limit for a while before I got bored. I did some calculations in the end, and I think I effectively took around $50 from players, and gave them to the poker site in rake. So well, good investment on their side to give me the free $20 (that I couldn't withdraw anyway) I guess... 
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On November 02 2014 05:52 AsnSensation wrote:
Good to hear from ya Cloud, although I see quite frequently commenting in the One Piece thread, the best series in the world!
Are you also playing live in some shady mafia underground cashgames haha?
Also only Stars or multiplattforming?
One Piece and Toriko usually make my week.
No, but there actually are super shady online italian poker rooms. I play on pokerstars though
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On November 01 2014 04:41 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 23:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
do not kid yourself by thinking you contribute to anything by playing SC2 Chef though because you are not, poker is really just more "expensive" of a game I don't play SC2. But obviously the people you really want to play with to make money off are also people who are feeding money into the system because they have a problem, and you enable that problem by playing with them.
Have you noticed how the people who have "addiction problems" in poker are always the people who are losing? The people who win keep playing just as much as the people who keep losing, but nobody feels sorry for them because of how addicted they become, and nobody is blamed for enabling them.
The problem is losing, not gambling.
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Italy12246 Posts
Good luck on your way to 100k what limits are you playing?
It's kind of annoying how on pokerstars (and really any poker room i guess?) you can only sit with other italians. Silly gambling laws.
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On November 03 2014 18:15 Teoita wrote:Good luck on your way to 100k what limits are you playing? It's kind of annoying how on pokerstars (and really any poker room i guess?) you can only sit with other italians. Silly gambling laws.
Same thing here in France I'm pretty sure we have a higher rake as well, to fund the authority in charge of these silly and useless gambling laws.
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On November 03 2014 21:32 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 18:15 Teoita wrote:Good luck on your way to 100k what limits are you playing? It's kind of annoying how on pokerstars (and really any poker room i guess?) you can only sit with other italians. Silly gambling laws. Same thing here in France I'm pretty sure we have a higher rake as well, to fund the authority in charge of these silly and useless gambling laws.
Yeah, rake in Italy is highest in the world though, which is about 190% of .com
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