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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
October 29 2014 18:14 GMT
#1
Hey guys, since I have a new project I wanted to share it with TL, which has been my home and probably the site I've visited the most in my life. It's been a long time from my last blog and since I am going to start a new journey and I'm super excited I felt like writing about it.

I basically blogged the project on LiquidPoker http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/1117981/Road_to_100k,_a_brand_new_start.html
Long story short I was playing poker for the last year coached by an italian poker school. I was starting to make good money but not enough as I expected considering all the hard work I put into it, and then I found out my coaches were a fraud and slowed my progress on purpose for their own short term benefit (sometimes I forget to never trust italians at work)

After a bit of emotional trauma I decided to change discipline and now I'm playing cash poker for the last month (which is going really well) and I decided I will do anything it takes to make 100k€ from now on until the end of 2015. I also discovered that poker could be as interesting and fascinating as Starcraft and I have to say I didn't feel so excited from when I was becoming a top player in Brood War.

I often get messages from Starcraft people asking me where I am, and this is pretty much what I've been doing and my plans for the future. Right now I'm healthy, I also have a great girlfriend for a year that I love a lot and I'm really happy with my life. Thinking that only a few years back depression was taking away all the appreciation I should have had for my beautiful experience as Starcraft progamer is incredible, and I definitely I want to enjoy my life to the fullest right now.

I will keep you guys updated sporadically here, if you visit my blog on liquidpoker though I'll be posting my progress in poker there constantly. Of course if there is any question I will be happy to answer

***
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 29 2014 18:41 GMT
#2
Ah the memories. Learning poker was a great experience. GL
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 29 2014 18:50 GMT
#3
You want to make 100k euro from poker in under 18 months?
Useless wet fish.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 19:22:57
October 29 2014 19:20 GMT
#4
On October 30 2014 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Ah the memories. Learning poker was a great experience. GL

Thanks Nazgul. By the way I never told you but I still remember studying every single move and build order you did in your PvZ replays back then when I started. Your PvZs on Blade Storm (was it the correct map name? I can't remember) were epic. Back then I had the same feeling I have now for poker

On October 30 2014 03:50 Capped wrote:
You want to make 100k euro from poker in under 18 months?

Yep. 100k euro consisting of net won + rakeback
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
October 29 2014 20:05 GMT
#5
Good luck. Hopefully you don't make "common" mistake that you go too fast play big money and lose some serious money.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
October 29 2014 20:09 GMT
#6
Best of luck, Cloud! Just take it one step at a time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
October 29 2014 20:09 GMT
#7
Just out of curiosity, can you explain how these coaches slowed you down on purpose? Did they give you bad advice so you would require their services for alonger period of time? I've never been coached in poker before (or anything really) and I have no idea how it works^^

Other than that, sounds awesome! Hope you kick ass at poker
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 21:49:08
October 29 2014 21:48 GMT
#8
On October 30 2014 05:09 KadaverBB wrote:
Just out of curiosity, can you explain how these coaches slowed you down on purpose? Did they give you bad advice so you would require their services for alonger period of time? I've never been coached in poker before (or anything really) and I have no idea how it works^^

Other than that, sounds awesome! Hope you kick ass at poker

Last time I spoke with him, he told me he believed that if I made too much money I wouldn't pay him, so I just think he was aiming to make me make only a moderate amount of money (btw when he told me this I was like are u fucking kidding me). He often gave me advice that would be the exact opposite of what he told other times, and his explaination often was "you are not good enough at poker to understand all the variables in place here" followed by some kind of backwards rationalization of what he said. Also he was playing the higher stakes of my format, so he did not want to make a good player out of somebody who could take his money later on.
I was just very dumb to let him fool me for a year, but I was told by other sources he was a great player, so I kept going thinking that eventually I would understand the game and start winning big.
He also hid from me every source of information and said SNG stuff was outdated. One of many examples would be there is a book by Colin Moshman that explains all the theory of SNG (Sit'n Go, the poker format I was playing at the time) and he told me to never read it because it was bad info. In fact it's the best book a beginner could read, but Colin Moshman has his own school of poker and he charges half of the guy running the italian school (LOL) so he didn't want me to find out this piece of information.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 29 2014 22:52 GMT
#9
I remember my Poker days with great fondness. I guess I got lucky that they coaches that I did have (via LP) were all fantastic.

Good luck! Makes me want to poke my head into LP again
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 30 2014 00:08 GMT
#10
I think the unavoidable swings in poker are not suited to someone with a depressive personality.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
October 30 2014 01:20 GMT
#11
On October 30 2014 09:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the unavoidable swings in poker are not suited to someone with a depressive personality.

Perhaps, but I assure you at the time I was depressed for legit reasons. When it comes to downswings you just take them like a man and never complain.
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MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
October 30 2014 01:33 GMT
#12
Carlo! So happy to read this dude. Wish you all the success in poker and life.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 30 2014 02:33 GMT
#13
wow, was he teaching you one on one, or was it more of a small class. Super dickish thing to do did u tell other people learning under him?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 30 2014 03:26 GMT
#14
best of luck, you can add me on skype if you want, I don't mind giving advices on hand histories you'd be puzzled about
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 05:25:33
October 30 2014 05:25 GMT
#15
not a single cookie monster #dissapointed

but congratz on finding a new passion, I just found some of my own and life is a lot more exciting when your studying 8 hours a day on something you really care about!
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
October 30 2014 06:34 GMT
#16
100K?! now that's a lot of money :D I wish you the best of luck!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
October 30 2014 06:38 GMT
#17
You want 100k within 18 months, how much have you won so far? Stakes? ROI? How realistic is this?
3 Hatch Before Cool
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
October 30 2014 07:23 GMT
#18
I remember playing lots of micro tourney with you last year. glad to see you are doing well
$O$ | soO
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
October 30 2014 09:01 GMT
#19
glad to hear you are doing well.
for what it's worth, my favorite sc2 viewing and learning was watching you coach take.
gl hf!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 30 2014 09:23 GMT
#20
On October 30 2014 04:20 aTnClouD wrote:
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On October 30 2014 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Ah the memories. Learning poker was a great experience. GL

Thanks Nazgul. By the way I never told you but I still remember studying every single move and build order you did in your PvZ replays back then when I started. Your PvZs on Blade Storm (was it the correct map name? I can't remember) were epic. Back then I had the same feeling I have now for poker

Thanks :D
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