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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 13:51:35
March 22 2014 13:50 GMT
#1
In June, I am attending MLG Anaheim to do some interviews and watch SC2 and Smash Brothers. I also realized I could fulfill my lifelong dream of being a MLG no scope 420 YOLO swag progamer and win a match. It's something I really couldn't do for StarCraft 2 because a) I am terrible (my highest rank was masters in like 2012) and b) all the open bracket entrants were largely pros. So I entered the Anaheim smash open bracket.

Unfortunately, I am also not good at Smash. I've never been to a true tournament. I'm "good" among college dorm rooms and friend groups, and given my Brood War and StarCraft 2 background, I generally tell people "I'm decent enough to realize I'm terrible."

Why is this important?

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MLG VP and HGH sponsored Adam Apicella

Well, I've made a bet with Adam. As some of you may know, he attended a school called Ohio State, most notably known for their fratbro fans and lack of academic integrity. I went to a school called Michigan. There's a rivalry between our schools.

Therefore, if I am able to win two games at MLG (not sets, games) then he will wear a Michigan shirt/jersey for the last day of MLG. If I am unable to do this, I will have to wear an Ohio State jersey, probably XXXL, on the last day and do some interviews in it.

The format of MLG is double elim. Which means most likely I'm going to get at minimum two Bo3s, to win an aggregate two games. If I win a set, I win the bet. If I go 1-2 in two sets, I win as well. I realize a lot of this will come down to bracket luck, I have a zero, and repeat zero, chance if I get paired up with any notable tournament player, so I might have to bribe whoever generates the brackets for Anaheim.

Fortunately, there's a bright side, and, the bet means I get to play Smash a lot. In fact, this weekend three dutch guys are coming over to play. I will start my Asian Rocky Balboa-esque training with the goal of winning a solitary losers bracket set immediately.

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TLHQ's SSBM setup. It's a plasma! No lag, I promise.

Here's what I wrote about Smash before:
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SSBM is a game built on speed, creativity, and emotion, a beautiful accident with a competitive scene that was never anticipated by its players or publisher. It is a game forged in living room couches and friends' basements, on tiny CRT monitors and $5 money matches. It is a game built on mechanical and mental skill with ten year veteran players who still smash every week and care about which coast of the United States you grew up on.

The highs and lows of Melee's life span are well documented. The game went from kids huddled in college dorm rooms to a big stage, golden age of $10,000 MLG tournaments, back to player-organized "lets hold one more grassroots event before Melee dies" back to a 100,000+ viewer EVO 2013.

Melee is a survivor. It fought slow declines, a "death" sequel, and the efforts of its creator to kill its competitive scene. Thirteen years later, here it stands, with the most entrants ever for events and Nintendo finally recognizing its scrappy little scene. Melee will be at MLG for the first time since 2007, and again a few weeks later at EVO 2014.

So when Liquid decided to pick up two legends from an entirely different, console-based fighting game, it felt natural. The game is StarCraft-esque, which is the best compliment we can give it. You don't form communities and friendships and a lifestyle around flash-in-the-pan, dead in six month game titles. Ordinarily, games should not see a revival 13 years after launch. But Melee, like StarCraft, is not just an ordinary game.

See you at Anaheim.


For those interested in the journey of someone who's "new" to tournament play but played Smash way back when (I assume a lot of you are like this) then you can follow along in my quest to learn. I'll hopefully be giving updates on my progress and how it goes.

****
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9152 Posts
March 22 2014 14:02 GMT
#2
as a THE ohio state anti-fan, i highly support your endeavor and hope that you win this bet.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
March 22 2014 14:04 GMT
#3
I'm actually kind of terrified. But we shall see.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
March 22 2014 14:06 GMT
#4
i believe in u hot bid
TSM
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
March 22 2014 14:16 GMT
#5
Which character(s) are you most adept with?
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 22 2014 14:19 GMT
#6
aw yeaa hot_bid going to an MLG as a competitor.

So upsets in Smash are really unlikely? Sounds even less likely than a starcraft upset where you could theoretically get a build order win or win with a gimmick. In Smash you have to just be better or hope for some huge mismicro by the other guy.
Solid Jake
Profile Joined November 2010
United States77 Posts
March 22 2014 14:20 GMT
#7
You got this hot bid <3
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
March 22 2014 14:23 GMT
#8
On March 22 2014 23:16 Archas wrote:
Which character(s) are you most adept with?

I am currently learning Fox, Falco, and Marth. I have zero shame or need to be creative, I just wanna learn some cookie cutter OP shit and make sure Adam wears a block M. That's all.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19028 Posts
March 22 2014 14:24 GMT
#9
Pick Marth and spam down B problem solved~
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
March 22 2014 14:25 GMT
#10
I'm a believer! GL
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 14:26:28
March 22 2014 14:25 GMT
#11
On March 22 2014 23:19 LuckyFool wrote:
aw yeaa hot_bid going to an MLG as a competitor.

So upsets in Smash are really unlikely? Sounds even less likely than a starcraft upset where you could theoretically get a build order win or win with a gimmick. In Smash you have to just be better or hope for some huge mismicro by the other guy.

For the most part, yes. In StarCraft II, there is a lot of information that is hidden from either player, which can result in things like flawed decision-making, botched engagements, or straight-up build-order losses; these and other factors can and will result in upsets every so often. In Smash, every bit of information is available to both players at all times. Mindgames are more important in Smash, but skill, execution, and quick reflexes are the main determinants for whether Player A or Player B will win. Outside of gross mistakes in play, upsets aren't nearly as common in Smash as they would be in SCII.
On March 22 2014 23:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
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On March 22 2014 23:16 Archas wrote:
Which character(s) are you most adept with?

I am currently learning Fox, Falco, and Marth. I have zero shame or need to be creative, I just wanna learn some cookie cutter OP shit and make sure Adam wears a block M. That's all.

You are a total asshole, and I love it. 100% approved.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
March 22 2014 14:26 GMT
#12
no shaving heads or similar juicy stuff? sons Im disappointed
it's good to be the king
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 22 2014 14:33 GMT
#13
On March 22 2014 23:25 Archas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 23:19 LuckyFool wrote:
aw yeaa hot_bid going to an MLG as a competitor.

So upsets in Smash are really unlikely? Sounds even less likely than a starcraft upset where you could theoretically get a build order win or win with a gimmick. In Smash you have to just be better or hope for some huge mismicro by the other guy.

For the most part, yes. In StarCraft II, there is a lot of information that is hidden from either player, which can result in things like flawed decision-making, botched engagements, or straight-up build-order losses; these and other factors can and will result in upsets every so often. In Smash, every bit of information is available to both players at all times. Mindgames are more important in Smash, but skill, execution, and quick reflexes are the main determinants for whether Player A or Player B will win. Outside of gross mistakes in play, upsets aren't nearly as common in Smash as they would be in SCII.


cool that's what I figured. I'm actually pretty excited for Smash at this MLG because I actually know people in it, haven't really watched or followed pro smash at all.
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
March 22 2014 14:36 GMT
#14
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on high-level smash.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
March 22 2014 14:40 GMT
#15
On March 22 2014 23:24 tofucake wrote:
Pick Marth and spam down B problem solved~


gotta master that reverse dolphin blade timing.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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stefantheterran
Profile Joined December 2013
Austria61 Posts
March 22 2014 14:48 GMT
#16
Haha, funny bet! Hope you win - oh and good luck, you will need ample amounts of it!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
March 22 2014 14:52 GMT
#17
I believe in you.
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QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
March 22 2014 14:52 GMT
#18
I wish you the best of luck and maybe see you one day at one of the dutch smash tournaments.
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
March 22 2014 15:03 GMT
#19
Time to abuse my power and ensure hotbid matches are on main stage
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
March 22 2014 15:09 GMT
#20
On March 23 2014 00:03 MLG_Adam wrote:
Time to abuse my power and ensure hotbid matches are on main stage

NOoooooooooo
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
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