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On March 24 2014 14:41 RuiBarbO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 13:01 sluggaslamoo wrote:On March 24 2014 12:30 smashlloyd20 wrote:
Play Marth, you'll never get anywhere near the tech skill required to play Fox or Falco before Anaheim. While Marth is an "easy" character to learn and beat really bad players with, he's really hard to actually win a game against anyone who knows how to play because he's so slow. He will just get kited to 50% from lazers before he can actually land a hit, that's a big disadvantage. If you are falco/fox you can shine the lazers. Also if you play fox or falco you can get quite a bit of % on an amateur marth player before engaging. Spacing is also much less important for falco/fox than marth. When it comes to actually winning, I have found Marth to be probably one of the hardest heroes. You need to be able to understand every matchup really well and have the mechanics down 100% or its impossible to win. Falco is probably the best hero to play, he's easier to get wins against players because he hits harder than Fox, he has a smaller learning curve and his dair spike is easier to use than marth. You can get some ridiculously dumb kills with just dodge b-smash because his knockback is just ridiculous. Yes those characters are hard to master, but that has nothing to do with the playability of them. You don't need to reach the level of Mango just to be able to play them. Shiek/C.Falcon are some other heroes to look at, but when I compare the amount of time I practised with Shiek/Marth compared to Falco, I found Falco to be the easiest. I still think Falco is the best bet as a low level amateur. Well I just saw someone win VG BootCamp with + Show Spoiler +, that must be the best character right?
Not sure if srs, but Ice Climbers wouldn't be a bad choice. A lot of people don't know how to play against them properly, and if he's lucky he can probably win some games with the grab loop (that is if he can master it in a couple of days and do it under pressure).
They may not be as reliable for a tournament, but if he just needs to win 2 games its almost like 4 pooling every game, pretty good odds.
Ice Climbers was pretty good for a while but I think its been figured out, you just shine in between them and make it impossible for them to work together, kick one of them off the ledge and they can't get back, after that its a piece of cake and its pretty easy to do.
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Hyrule19086 Posts
On the other hand, the counter to ICs is to kill pinky and then you're left with 1 low tier character with bad recovery. Bad desyncing will get pinky killed very quickly.
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Good luck hot_bid, I believe
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On March 24 2014 22:09 tofucake wrote:
On the other hand, the counter to ICs is to kill pinky and then you're left with 1 low tier character with bad recovery. Bad desyncing will get pinky killed very quickly.
You don't even need to kill nana, you just jump in-between and shine and they skid in opposite directions. Its pretty easy to do and when it happens its impossible for the opponent to do anything.
This also means he can't go near the edge because one of them will just skid off the edge with zero chance of recovery.
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If you want top tier without needing high execution just play Sheik and convert every hit into forward air. If you get matched up against someone with bad DI it'll be even easier!
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good timing for practice partners, huh?
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Fox isn't a good character to get good at in just a few months. Fox is a long term investment. My recommendation is to learn Puff, Marth, or Sheik. Maybe Falco if you can learn to short hop laser and pillar consistently.
I hope Hotbid's matches are recorded. If he plays on the main stage though that would just be the best.
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On March 24 2014 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Ice Climbers was pretty good for a while but I think its been figured out, you just shine in between them and make it impossible for them to work together, kick one of them off the ledge and they can't get back, after that its a piece of cake and its pretty easy to do.
I wouldn't say they're figured out if they just won the Next Episode and got second place at the largest tournament of all time (EVO).
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On March 25 2014 08:04 MountainGoat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Ice Climbers was pretty good for a while but I think its been figured out, you just shine in between them and make it impossible for them to work together, kick one of them off the ledge and they can't get back, after that its a piece of cake and its pretty easy to do. I wouldn't say they're figured out if they just won the Next Episode and got second place at the largest tournament of all time (EVO).
Yeah but at EVO Mango absolutely wrecked Wobbles, only dying once ever iirc, using the technique I described and basically there was not much more to it than that. It was a complete cakewalk for him. Yes it was Mango, but no one really played vs ice climbers like he did at the time afaik.
I'm not saying they're completely useless now, and not everyone plays Fox. I think the matchup is heavily skewed in Fox's favor though.
I didn't see Next Episode so I'm not sure on that one.
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On March 25 2014 12:22 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 08:04 MountainGoat wrote:On March 24 2014 19:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Ice Climbers was pretty good for a while but I think its been figured out, you just shine in between them and make it impossible for them to work together, kick one of them off the ledge and they can't get back, after that its a piece of cake and its pretty easy to do. I wouldn't say they're figured out if they just won the Next Episode and got second place at the largest tournament of all time (EVO). Yeah but at EVO Mango absolutely wrecked Wobbles, only dying once ever iirc, using the technique I described and basically there was not much more to it than that. It was a complete cakewalk for him. Yes it was Mango, but no one really played vs ice climbers like he did at the time afaik. I'm not saying they're completely useless now, and not everyone plays Fox. I think the matchup is heavily skewed in Fox's favor though. I didn't see Next Episode so I'm not sure on that one.
So mango wrecked wobbles in finals but wobbles wrecked mango in winners bracket.
So ICs are relatively even with spacies if you know how to play them. they have issues against Marth, and MANY issues against peach. Also ICs are pretty hard to play because even though their grab punish is absurd, their grab range is small.
Honestly if hotbid can get most of the tech skill down he will be able to take games with any top tier character.
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Sanya12364 Posts
LOL This is such a great rivalry story. Thanks Hot Bid and MLGAdam!!!
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On March 22 2014 23:23 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 23:16 Archas wrote:
Which character(s) are you most adept with? I am currently learning Fox, Falco, and Marth. I have zero shame or need to be creative, I just wanna learn some cookie cutter OP shit and make sure Adam wears a block M. That's all.
Your maybe thinking the wrong way here
Let me explain why
Very few people out of a majority are creative people and brings stuff new, this applies to the tournament scene, the biggest probability if your not matched vs a pro is that you are matched vs someone who will have done the same shit as you learning few characters and their principal counter matchups, they will grind games like you and come prepared for only one thing in the tournament.
Say you focus on cheesing the opponents predict what your opponents is gonna pick and throw him off the loop with something he has not practiced vs and you have
I think you have a way better chance of doing 1-2 with this strategy than the inverse
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On March 23 2014 04:07 Leeoku wrote:
Newest esports drama: Team liquid match fixing scandal at MLG Anaheim Smash featuring Hotbid and 3rd party betting
Make sure you got the 322 ready to spam in chat! :D
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On March 22 2014 22:50 Hot_Bid wrote:
I will start my Asian Rocky Balboa-esque training with the goal of winning a solitary losers bracket set immediately.
You realise you must produce a shirtless montage of said training, right?
I don't watch either game, but I will tune to this for a chance to see Hawt Bod smash nerd faces. Just think with portals! Wait, are there any chairs in Smash?
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I notice the terms of the bet do not dictate what must be worn on the head. Should you lose, you might consider one of these hats:
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On March 26 2014 02:14 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 23:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 22 2014 23:16 Archas wrote:
Which character(s) are you most adept with? I am currently learning Fox, Falco, and Marth. I have zero shame or need to be creative, I just wanna learn some cookie cutter OP shit and make sure Adam wears a block M. That's all. Your maybe thinking the wrong way here Let me explain why Very few people out of a majority are creative people and brings stuff new, this applies to the tournament scene, the biggest probability if your not matched vs a pro is that you are matched vs someone who will have done the same shit as you learning few characters and their principal counter matchups, they will grind games like you and come prepared for only one thing in the tournament. Say you focus on cheesing the opponents predict what your opponents is gonna pick and throw him off the loop with something he has not practiced vs and you have I think you have a way better chance of doing 1-2 with this strategy than the inverse
Is there viable cheese in SSBM? I mean once you lock in a character, they know what you're up to and can anticipate it.
Edit: should say, I am familiar with the game, but not the competitive scene.
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Hyrule19086 Posts
kirby back throw of the side probably counts as cheese, except it's mostly just a load of bullshit
so many people consider wobbling cheese that it's usually banned
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On March 26 2014 03:06 Kittan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 22:50 Hot_Bid wrote:
I will start my Asian Rocky Balboa-esque training with the goal of winning a solitary losers bracket set immediately. You realise you must produce a shirtless montage of said training, right?
Quick, someone with video editing skills transpose Hot_Bid into the Little Mac reveal trailer for the new SSB!
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On March 26 2014 05:04 Rho_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 02:14 Darkren wrote:On March 22 2014 23:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On March 22 2014 23:16 Archas wrote:
Which character(s) are you most adept with? I am currently learning Fox, Falco, and Marth. I have zero shame or need to be creative, I just wanna learn some cookie cutter OP shit and make sure Adam wears a block M. That's all. Your maybe thinking the wrong way here Let me explain why Very few people out of a majority are creative people and brings stuff new, this applies to the tournament scene, the biggest probability if your not matched vs a pro is that you are matched vs someone who will have done the same shit as you learning few characters and their principal counter matchups, they will grind games like you and come prepared for only one thing in the tournament. Say you focus on cheesing the opponents predict what your opponents is gonna pick and throw him off the loop with something he has not practiced vs and you have I think you have a way better chance of doing 1-2 with this strategy than the inverse Is there viable cheese in SSBM? I mean once you lock in a character, they know what you're up to and can anticipate it. Edit: should say, I am familiar with the game, but not the competitive scene.
Not really. Different culture, and because there's little incomplete information and no real autowin situations. There's no situation like a 4 pool vs nexus first, but there are some moves that do disproportionate amounts of damage/kill for the skill they take.
Donkey Kong grab suicide when you are 2 stocks to 1.
Kirby grab suicide (same as above)
Ice Climbers grab loop (Wobbling), legit but also pretty cheesy.
Jigglypuff rest spam.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Shirtless Hotbid better than Pink Jumpsuit Hotbid.
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