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On March 08 2013 12:36 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 18:18 haduken wrote:Of course it can. You will have to define what you mean by apps though, is it a web application? a mobile application? a desktop GUI application? a background service? http://www.python.org/about/apps/Look at the list of interest areas that Python is supported in. Ruby is good also but there are not much traction if you want to build a basic app with GUI (It can be done but not newb friendly), the most popular usage for ruby is in the ruby on rails framework (Websites, web applications) You will want to match the language to what you are doing. Thanks for the info, was looking for Mobile apps for the most part.
Mobile application is a very dynamic space and evolving very fast.
Basically we have Android ecosystem and Apple ecosystem (The only two that matters right now if you want your app to have any relevancy).
On Android, it's mostly Java (However, it's different because Android have different stack of libraries and framework. so not exactly the same)
On Iphone / Ipad, it's object C
On windows phone 8, it's C# targeting the windows phone SDK.
On black berry, is it HTML5 / Java script? not so sure but they are not even released into Market yet lol
There are third party solutions (Not from the manufacturer themselves) such as Ximian (cross platform, using C#/Mono) and plenty of others that utilize HTML5/Javascript.
The trend at the moment is going with HTML5/Javascript, basically designing a web app that can be displayed appropriately on mobile browser.
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my roommate is a chemical engineer, and we took the same general first year together. He said he HATED programming and anything to d with deep understanding of computers because he found it to be extremely repetitive and frustrating when you could not figure out what to do. Unlike written language, you do not need to use it for every day life, and all it is is a way to handle machines. Thats it. However that could also be said for rural areas where some people still do not know how to read or write because it is not a part of their everyday life. Another thing is that programming languages come and go very quickly. From what I have heard, Ruby used to be very useful a decade ago but now its almost dead. For someone that wont be working with computers that much, learning a programming language will lose its value very quickly.
All in all, I say that programming is not like written language because it looses its value to the student VERY quickly.
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On March 09 2013 13:03 WikidSik wrote:
my roommate is a chemical engineer, and we took the same general first year together. He said he HATED programming and anything to d with deep understanding of computers because he found it to be extremely repetitive and frustrating when you could not figure out what to do. Unlike written language, you do not need to use it for every day life, and all it is is a way to handle machines. Thats it. However that could also be said for rural areas where some people still do not know how to read or write because it is not a part of their everyday life. Another thing is that programming languages come and go very quickly. From what I have heard, Ruby used to be very useful a decade ago but now its almost dead. For someone that wont be working with computers that much, learning a programming language will lose its value very quickly.
All in all, I say that programming is not like written language because it looses its value to the student VERY quickly.
If all the student learns is the syntax and keywords of programming languages then yeah it will loose value, but that's just rudimentary stuff; I don't see how that's different to any other discipline. Most professional programmers learn new syntax on the job.
If you want to know cooking but only learned how to cut veggies, no shit you are not going to cook anything decent.
If all you want to speak French and only ever learned how to say bonjour no shit you suck at French.
However, the problem solving skills you developed will stay with you forever.
And no, Ruby is not dead.
http://rubyonrails.org/applications
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On March 08 2013 07:26 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:12 haduken wrote:On March 07 2013 23:51 obesechicken13 wrote:
Scratch is a language by MIT for beginners to learn. I watched a ted talk about it but it looks like it's not very powerful. As in it can't do shit.
Python can be used for desktop apps but I think objective C is used more for GUI apps on the PC and C# on mobile devices.
Afaik Ruby is used for websites as haduken says. You've got it the other way around, C# is used more in GUI on PC (WPF/Winform), but it isn't limited to that. If you are doing C#, you are going to leverage .NET and its vast number of frameworks and libraries. You don't have to do it in C#, you can do it with any languages in the .NET CLR. There are almost no presence of C# on mobile unless we are counting Windows Phone or Ximian / Mono If you know the C syntax and need to do GUI app quickly for PC, C# will probably get you there very quickly. Object C for all intends and purposes are exclusive for the apple ecosystem. Right. I shouldn't have said anything.
Don't be so self-deprecatory lol, just a little mistake ><
You're right about Scratch, I'm pretty sure it exists basically just to teach coding logic to beginners or kids who know very little (if anything) about coding.
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within this forum most of the people here would seem like they are coders, i worked on games for quite a while before i became a teacher, the discussion is coming from education especially in europe that programming should be taught in schools. as a teacher of computing i can tell you right now that programming would only captivate 5% of any year grp 11 -16 (5 kids per year group) as this is what ive seen over the last 10 years. Kids want games NOW so use those stupid programs like scratch, rpg maker and to some extent, flash by downloading code from somewhere else, compiling it and then running it. I can tell you i tried it with 136 11 yr olds last year 3 managed to COPY a document.write function into small basic and then add an input variable.... 3!!!!! out of 7 classes.
most will say above that the programs to build things quickj are NOt stupid. im telling you they are as they cant even see the if statement they create and then do one in excel. im going to go all out and say that under 16's dont have the patience and maturity to PROPERLY code and given the 2hrs a fornight i see each class in total there is not enough time being allocated to get people interested.
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On March 10 2013 04:03 StatixEx wrote:
within this forum most of the people here would seem like they are coders, i worked on games for quite a while before i became a teacher, the discussion is coming from education especially in europe that programming should be taught in schools. as a teacher of computing i can tell you right now that programming would only captivate 5% of any year grp 11 -16 (5 kids per year group) as this is what ive seen over the last 10 years. Kids want games NOW so use those stupid programs like scratch, rpg maker and to some extent, flash by downloading code from somewhere else, compiling it and then running it. I can tell you i tried it with 136 11 yr olds last year 3 managed to COPY a document.write function into small basic and then add an input variable.... 3!!!!! out of 7 classes.
most will say above that the programs to build things quickj are NOt stupid. im telling you they are as they cant even see the if statement they create and then do one in excel. im going to go all out and say that under 16's dont have the patience and maturity to PROPERLY code and given the 2hrs a fornight i see each class in total there is not enough time being allocated to get people interested.
I've been sitting through a college business course on how to develop an app. Right now we're using visual studios to put shit together. These mother fuckers think this is coding. I wish they could debug my goddamn computer science homework... I shoulda just taken accounting or something easy... On some days my homework assignments are just brutal. If I don't plan out properly and say "fuck it" and start coding on a blank slate, baaad things are to come... Hours are wasted on trying fix my program, and then if I ever do fix it, it comes out as some hideous creature. Like that homunculus from Full Metal Alchemist when Ed and Al tried to resurrect their mother, except in my case the professor would discretely comment on how terrible it was when he reviews. Thank god he's Russian so I can imagine him commenting my work in a Russian accent.
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holy shit snuggles u sound like me when i did my game software development degree . . leavin that shit till the last minute is like sliding down a razor blade on ur balls then landing in a jug of vinegar . and then doin it again
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On March 09 2013 13:03 WikidSik wrote:
my roommate is a chemical engineer, and we took the same general first year together. He said he HATED programming and anything to d with deep understanding of computers because he found it to be extremely repetitive and frustrating when you could not figure out what to do. Unlike written language, you do not need to use it for every day life, and all it is is a way to handle machines. Thats it. However that could also be said for rural areas where some people still do not know how to read or write because it is not a part of their everyday life. Another thing is that programming languages come and go very quickly. From what I have heard, Ruby used to be very useful a decade ago but now its almost dead. For someone that wont be working with computers that much, learning a programming language will lose its value very quickly.
All in all, I say that programming is not like written language because it looses its value to the student VERY quickly.
Ruby is far from dead, it's just not really getting off. Unless you want to specifically use Ruby on Rails, there's not all that much going on in the Ruby world, Python is just so much more popular (and faster). It's even more annoying when you use ruby and are looking for libraries etc and every single resource just gladly assume you're using it for rails applications since every other use is so rare.
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