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On January 18 2013 03:07 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 02:53 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 02:24 Bumblebee wrote:
No, it is not the team's fault that it leaks. It's something we're not in control over. There are too many people that needs to be involved in player transfers and stuff alike for the team to have control over the situation -- nor do they really control the people who knows. Things such as the team the player comes from, the other bidding teams and tournaments who need to be informed ahead of time in order to secure spots/book/pay for things.
An example is that I had personally informed EG, IPL and IEM about Snute prior to the announcement since if I want Snute to play in SC2L or IPTL, I need to do that. Snute also came from another team and there were other bidders who also knew of our situation. There's just too many people who you don't have power over or control of. Robin if you can't trust the people you're telling you should not be telling them or have them sign something that says they can't. I like knowing about which player moves where beforehand, it's great being in the know. That's why I wouldn't leak something because if I did leak something I would expect there to be consequences. You're indirectly implying people should feel it's perfectly ok to leak things and there will be 0 consequences because it's outside of your control. Obviously this is very dangerous. Most of us don't leak things because we know it's not ok. Fault lies with he people leaking as they can't be trusted. So expose and blackball those people, not journalist doing their job. Written on my cell, promise to proof read later. So either he can't have Snute playing in any of these leagues in order to make an announcement? You're being completely unrealistic. Do you honestly expect him to be able to get /everyone/ who knows about it to sign agreements not to spill any info? What if they refuse?
Speaking of "unrealistic" Leagues WANT these players competing, they're going to sign the agreement. Hell, usually they're the ones producing most paperwork and expecting you to sign it. I count 4 involved parties, that's 4 faxes. It's completely doable, that's why NDA's exist. It's a cultural problem in which many people think that it is fine to leak information and where teams feel it's too much work to protect their information.
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I think it's understood without being said that if slasher pisses someone off, they may stop working with him. That's not just with journalism, that's with every relationship.
I don't really understand what saying this publicly does for the current situation though. If you're not happy with the give and take between liquid and slasher, you stop giving, and you stop getting whatever he's giving. No one is to blame in that situation as it's up to both parties on whether they want to work together. If you are happy with the relationship, you can continue. If him releasing information that you didn't want him to hurts the relationship, you tell him directly, and he gets to decide what is more valuable to him - releasing information like that and losing liquid's give and take relationship, or not releasing information and keeping that relationship.
The main issue in this situation is whether slasher's journalistic responsibility changes due to how esports monetizes. I don't see an answer to that issue in the OP. What I got out of it was you don't think slasher's good at relationship management (or is at least not focusing on it), which should really just be a thought kept to your organization that you can use to decide how you want to interact with slasher in the future.
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On January 18 2013 03:00 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2013 02:49 eight.BiT wrote:
This whole idea of Slasher choosing between being inside an organization like TL or to be "banned" and only use 3rd party sources seems so childish of the teams. Do you think it was Nazgul himself that told Slasher about Snute? Just like Bumblebee the fucking TL staff member said too many people had to be informed. I think Slasher should tell the teams to FUCK OFF and use the sources he has BEEN using for the leaks. I would say that is a very poor way to have a professional relationship, he has to deal with these teams. The teams could start requesting that events and groups they deal with limit all information people they know will not leak it to Slasher. They could deny him interviews and provide leaks to other reporters to undercut him. Professional relationships are two way streets, Slasher is not the only one that can say "FUCK YOU". Don't you think they might have said something already to those people about not leaking? Just because they say "Hey guys, don't leak this to Slasher." doesn't change a thing. The people who want to give the info to outside sources will continue to do so just like any industry. EDIT: And I wouldn't say missing a few Liquid or EG interviews would be the end of the world with their performances the alst 2 years, but I digress.
I am sure they can go to MLG, NASL, Dream Hack or any other league and say "You need to limit who has information on who we are sending or we arn't sending anyone." This was something no league was thinking about until now, but I am sure the teams are looking into it and talking to them about keeping information under wraps. Events could limit Slasher's access and a whole number of other things. Gamespot isn't going to ignore MLG or NASL, but those two leagues don't need to give them unlimited access to players or the leagues staff.
You would be shocked how much they can clamp down of this stuff when asked to. Right now, they were never asked to.
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Should all "leaks" be considered the same? In my opinion, signing a player shouldn't be hidden at all.. If SC2/ESPORTS gets "official" enough, you would have to get the federation's approval for the signing, and once you've got it, other teams have to be aware of it to stop bidding. Expecting this to become a secret is simply out of the question.
If a journalist tries to find leaks about the contract negotiations between a player and his management being problematic, then it would make sense for the team to be upset. A journalist who wants to get content from the team, is also happy to provide other teams with vital information. But when it comes to signing a player, a team can only benefit from the news being as big as possible. And the longer the wait after the signing, the lower the maount of hype will be.
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On January 18 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:00 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2013 02:49 eight.BiT wrote:
This whole idea of Slasher choosing between being inside an organization like TL or to be "banned" and only use 3rd party sources seems so childish of the teams. Do you think it was Nazgul himself that told Slasher about Snute? Just like Bumblebee the fucking TL staff member said too many people had to be informed. I think Slasher should tell the teams to FUCK OFF and use the sources he has BEEN using for the leaks. I would say that is a very poor way to have a professional relationship, he has to deal with these teams. The teams could start requesting that events and groups they deal with limit all information people they know will not leak it to Slasher. They could deny him interviews and provide leaks to other reporters to undercut him. Professional relationships are two way streets, Slasher is not the only one that can say "FUCK YOU". Don't you think they might have said something already to those people about not leaking? Just because they say "Hey guys, don't leak this to Slasher." doesn't change a thing. The people who want to give the info to outside sources will continue to do so just like any industry. EDIT: And I wouldn't say missing a few Liquid or EG interviews would be the end of the world with their performances the alst 2 years, but I digress. I am sure they can go to MLG, NASL, Dream Hack or any other league and say "You need to limit who has information on who we are sending or we arn't sending anyone." This was something no league was thinking about until now, but I am sure the teams are looking into it and talking to them about keeping information under wraps. Events could limit Slasher's access and a whole number of other things. Gamespot isn't going to ignore MLG or NASL, but those two leagues don't need to give them unlimited access to players or the leagues staff. You would be shocked how much they can clamp down of this stuff when asked to. Right now, they were never asked to.
Exactly, and this is why I'm so irate reading this blog from Nazgul saying exactly what Alex Garfield said in a more well spoken way. Garbage. This is 100% the teams and organizations fault and all the "higher ups" do is blame Slasher.
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On January 18 2013 03:11 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:09 heyoka wrote:I think this is the most clear cut way to look at it. I don't know how this turned into an ethics debate or something over freedom of press, because that isn't the issue at hand. Journalists needs to do their job and the teams need to do theirs, occasionally these two things will conflict and the resolution isn't easy. The journalists need to be aware, however, that the way they choose to do it carry with them the risk of negatively impacting their ability to do the same things in the future. This is how the world works. On January 18 2013 01:15 AshenCZ wrote:
Then again, as Destiny pointed out, if something leaks, it is the TEAM's fault, not Slasher's for finding out and doing his job... I understand how people come to this conclusion because it seems like a logical way to look at it, but it's completely untrue. The esports world is very small, if team management are talking to one guy or another it's obvious to a ton of people who have no involvement in the transaction. Negotiations can take forever and during these any team who has expressed interest but been turned down will figure out by process of elimination where they are going, the team has no control over a ton of people who know outside their organization. So therefore if so many people know anyway, why the Slasher witch hunt? Someone else would have just reported it.
To my knowledge, other teams/leagues/etc. knowing where players are going isn't new, and this wasn't an issue before.
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On January 18 2013 03:11 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:09 heyoka wrote:I think this is the most clear cut way to look at it. I don't know how this turned into an ethics debate or something over freedom of press, because that isn't the issue at hand. Journalists needs to do their job and the teams need to do theirs, occasionally these two things will conflict and the resolution isn't easy. The journalists need to be aware, however, that the way they choose to do it carry with them the risk of negatively impacting their ability to do the same things in the future. This is how the world works. On January 18 2013 01:15 AshenCZ wrote:
Then again, as Destiny pointed out, if something leaks, it is the TEAM's fault, not Slasher's for finding out and doing his job... I understand how people come to this conclusion because it seems like a logical way to look at it, but it's completely untrue. The esports world is very small, if team management are talking to one guy or another it's obvious to a ton of people who have no involvement in the transaction. Negotiations can take forever and during these any team who has expressed interest but been turned down will figure out by process of elimination where they are going, the team has no control over a ton of people who know outside their organization. So therefore if so many people know anyway, why the Slasher witch hunt? Someone else would have just reported it.
Because Slasher was not willing to take the heat for his actions of leaking information and complained "I was just doing my job and it is good for everyone this is being reported on." Slasher knew that was untrue, but didn't really want to fess up and say, "Yeah, that likely cost you some money and I knew that."
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On January 18 2013 03:11 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:07 Zealos wrote:On January 18 2013 02:53 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 02:24 Bumblebee wrote:
No, it is not the team's fault that it leaks. It's something we're not in control over. There are too many people that needs to be involved in player transfers and stuff alike for the team to have control over the situation -- nor do they really control the people who knows. Things such as the team the player comes from, the other bidding teams and tournaments who need to be informed ahead of time in order to secure spots/book/pay for things.
An example is that I had personally informed EG, IPL and IEM about Snute prior to the announcement since if I want Snute to play in SC2L or IPTL, I need to do that. Snute also came from another team and there were other bidders who also knew of our situation. There's just too many people who you don't have power over or control of. Robin if you can't trust the people you're telling you should not be telling them or have them sign something that says they can't. I like knowing about which player moves where beforehand, it's great being in the know. That's why I wouldn't leak something because if I did leak something I would expect there to be consequences. You're indirectly implying people should feel it's perfectly ok to leak things and there will be 0 consequences because it's outside of your control. Obviously this is very dangerous. Most of us don't leak things because we know it's not ok. Fault lies with he people leaking as they can't be trusted. So expose and blackball those people, not journalist doing their job. Written on my cell, promise to proof read later. So either he can't have Snute playing in any of these leagues in order to make an announcement? You're being completely unrealistic. Do you honestly expect him to be able to get /everyone/ who knows about it to sign agreements not to spill any info? What if they refuse? Speaking of "unrealistic" Leagues WANT these players competing, they're going to sign the agreement. Hell, usually they're the ones producing most paperwork and expecting you to sign it. I count 4 involved parties, that's 4 faxes. It's completely doable, that's why NDA's exist. It's a cultural problem in which many people think that it is fine to leak information and where teams feel it's too much work to protect their information.
So he's gotta travel to each HQ's to get EVERYONE to sign. Don't be so naive, I am sure Bumble has /far/ more experience doing this than you do, if he says it is unrealistic, it is.
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On January 18 2013 03:22 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:11 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 03:09 heyoka wrote:I think this is the most clear cut way to look at it. I don't know how this turned into an ethics debate or something over freedom of press, because that isn't the issue at hand. Journalists needs to do their job and the teams need to do theirs, occasionally these two things will conflict and the resolution isn't easy. The journalists need to be aware, however, that the way they choose to do it carry with them the risk of negatively impacting their ability to do the same things in the future. This is how the world works. On January 18 2013 01:15 AshenCZ wrote:
Then again, as Destiny pointed out, if something leaks, it is the TEAM's fault, not Slasher's for finding out and doing his job... I understand how people come to this conclusion because it seems like a logical way to look at it, but it's completely untrue. The esports world is very small, if team management are talking to one guy or another it's obvious to a ton of people who have no involvement in the transaction. Negotiations can take forever and during these any team who has expressed interest but been turned down will figure out by process of elimination where they are going, the team has no control over a ton of people who know outside their organization. So therefore if so many people know anyway, why the Slasher witch hunt? Someone else would have just reported it. To my knowledge, other teams/leagues/etc. knowing where players are going isn't new, and this wasn't an issue before.
It wasn't an issue before? Those leaks stilled happened but that was 2 years ago when no one with money gave two shits about SC2. Money. Moneymoneymoney.
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On January 18 2013 03:24 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:11 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 03:07 Zealos wrote:On January 18 2013 02:53 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 02:24 Bumblebee wrote:
No, it is not the team's fault that it leaks. It's something we're not in control over. There are too many people that needs to be involved in player transfers and stuff alike for the team to have control over the situation -- nor do they really control the people who knows. Things such as the team the player comes from, the other bidding teams and tournaments who need to be informed ahead of time in order to secure spots/book/pay for things.
An example is that I had personally informed EG, IPL and IEM about Snute prior to the announcement since if I want Snute to play in SC2L or IPTL, I need to do that. Snute also came from another team and there were other bidders who also knew of our situation. There's just too many people who you don't have power over or control of. Robin if you can't trust the people you're telling you should not be telling them or have them sign something that says they can't. I like knowing about which player moves where beforehand, it's great being in the know. That's why I wouldn't leak something because if I did leak something I would expect there to be consequences. You're indirectly implying people should feel it's perfectly ok to leak things and there will be 0 consequences because it's outside of your control. Obviously this is very dangerous. Most of us don't leak things because we know it's not ok. Fault lies with he people leaking as they can't be trusted. So expose and blackball those people, not journalist doing their job. Written on my cell, promise to proof read later. So either he can't have Snute playing in any of these leagues in order to make an announcement? You're being completely unrealistic. Do you honestly expect him to be able to get /everyone/ who knows about it to sign agreements not to spill any info? What if they refuse? Speaking of "unrealistic" Leagues WANT these players competing, they're going to sign the agreement. Hell, usually they're the ones producing most paperwork and expecting you to sign it. I count 4 involved parties, that's 4 faxes. It's completely doable, that's why NDA's exist. It's a cultural problem in which many people think that it is fine to leak information and where teams feel it's too much work to protect their information. So he's gotta travel to each HQ's to get EVERYONE to sign. Don't be so naive, I am sure Bumble has /far/ more experience doing this than you do, if he says it is unrealistic, it is.
I don't know about you but the rest of us live in 2013.
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On January 18 2013 03:20 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2013 03:00 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2013 02:49 eight.BiT wrote:
This whole idea of Slasher choosing between being inside an organization like TL or to be "banned" and only use 3rd party sources seems so childish of the teams. Do you think it was Nazgul himself that told Slasher about Snute? Just like Bumblebee the fucking TL staff member said too many people had to be informed. I think Slasher should tell the teams to FUCK OFF and use the sources he has BEEN using for the leaks. I would say that is a very poor way to have a professional relationship, he has to deal with these teams. The teams could start requesting that events and groups they deal with limit all information people they know will not leak it to Slasher. They could deny him interviews and provide leaks to other reporters to undercut him. Professional relationships are two way streets, Slasher is not the only one that can say "FUCK YOU". Don't you think they might have said something already to those people about not leaking? Just because they say "Hey guys, don't leak this to Slasher." doesn't change a thing. The people who want to give the info to outside sources will continue to do so just like any industry. EDIT: And I wouldn't say missing a few Liquid or EG interviews would be the end of the world with their performances the alst 2 years, but I digress. I am sure they can go to MLG, NASL, Dream Hack or any other league and say "You need to limit who has information on who we are sending or we arn't sending anyone." This was something no league was thinking about until now, but I am sure the teams are looking into it and talking to them about keeping information under wraps. Events could limit Slasher's access and a whole number of other things. Gamespot isn't going to ignore MLG or NASL, but those two leagues don't need to give them unlimited access to players or the leagues staff. You would be shocked how much they can clamp down of this stuff when asked to. Right now, they were never asked to. Exactly, and this is why I'm so irate reading this blog from Nazgul saying exactly what Alex Garfield said in a more well spoken way. Garbage. This is 100% the teams and organizations fault and all the "higher ups" do is blame Slasher.
I think you are confused. They are not blaming him, they are informing him that his actions harm their teams, which he did not really own up to before. The issue is more that Slasher wants it both ways. He wants to be seen as furthering Esports by reporting on it, but also to leak stories that hurt the teams. He can't have both and the teams have very publicly informed him(and other reporters) of this, so he doesn't act shocked when they deny him an interview
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On January 18 2013 03:26 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:22 Ercster wrote:On January 18 2013 03:11 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 03:09 heyoka wrote:I think this is the most clear cut way to look at it. I don't know how this turned into an ethics debate or something over freedom of press, because that isn't the issue at hand. Journalists needs to do their job and the teams need to do theirs, occasionally these two things will conflict and the resolution isn't easy. The journalists need to be aware, however, that the way they choose to do it carry with them the risk of negatively impacting their ability to do the same things in the future. This is how the world works. On January 18 2013 01:15 AshenCZ wrote:
Then again, as Destiny pointed out, if something leaks, it is the TEAM's fault, not Slasher's for finding out and doing his job... I understand how people come to this conclusion because it seems like a logical way to look at it, but it's completely untrue. The esports world is very small, if team management are talking to one guy or another it's obvious to a ton of people who have no involvement in the transaction. Negotiations can take forever and during these any team who has expressed interest but been turned down will figure out by process of elimination where they are going, the team has no control over a ton of people who know outside their organization. So therefore if so many people know anyway, why the Slasher witch hunt? Someone else would have just reported it. To my knowledge, other teams/leagues/etc. knowing where players are going isn't new, and this wasn't an issue before. It wasn't an issue before? Those leaks stilled happened but that was 2 years ago when no one with money gave two shits about SC2. Money. Moneymoneymoney.
Okay, so it stopped 2 years ago?
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On January 18 2013 03:29 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:26 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 03:22 Ercster wrote:On January 18 2013 03:11 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 03:09 heyoka wrote:I think this is the most clear cut way to look at it. I don't know how this turned into an ethics debate or something over freedom of press, because that isn't the issue at hand. Journalists needs to do their job and the teams need to do theirs, occasionally these two things will conflict and the resolution isn't easy. The journalists need to be aware, however, that the way they choose to do it carry with them the risk of negatively impacting their ability to do the same things in the future. This is how the world works. On January 18 2013 01:15 AshenCZ wrote:
Then again, as Destiny pointed out, if something leaks, it is the TEAM's fault, not Slasher's for finding out and doing his job... I understand how people come to this conclusion because it seems like a logical way to look at it, but it's completely untrue. The esports world is very small, if team management are talking to one guy or another it's obvious to a ton of people who have no involvement in the transaction. Negotiations can take forever and during these any team who has expressed interest but been turned down will figure out by process of elimination where they are going, the team has no control over a ton of people who know outside their organization. So therefore if so many people know anyway, why the Slasher witch hunt? Someone else would have just reported it. To my knowledge, other teams/leagues/etc. knowing where players are going isn't new, and this wasn't an issue before. It wasn't an issue before? Those leaks stilled happened but that was 2 years ago when no one with money gave two shits about SC2. Money. Moneymoneymoney. Okay, so it stopped 2 years ago?
No, I'm saying this has happened since the start of SC2 and continued until today...
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On January 18 2013 03:24 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:11 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 03:07 Zealos wrote:On January 18 2013 02:53 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 02:24 Bumblebee wrote:
No, it is not the team's fault that it leaks. It's something we're not in control over. There are too many people that needs to be involved in player transfers and stuff alike for the team to have control over the situation -- nor do they really control the people who knows. Things such as the team the player comes from, the other bidding teams and tournaments who need to be informed ahead of time in order to secure spots/book/pay for things.
An example is that I had personally informed EG, IPL and IEM about Snute prior to the announcement since if I want Snute to play in SC2L or IPTL, I need to do that. Snute also came from another team and there were other bidders who also knew of our situation. There's just too many people who you don't have power over or control of. Robin if you can't trust the people you're telling you should not be telling them or have them sign something that says they can't. I like knowing about which player moves where beforehand, it's great being in the know. That's why I wouldn't leak something because if I did leak something I would expect there to be consequences. You're indirectly implying people should feel it's perfectly ok to leak things and there will be 0 consequences because it's outside of your control. Obviously this is very dangerous. Most of us don't leak things because we know it's not ok. Fault lies with he people leaking as they can't be trusted. So expose and blackball those people, not journalist doing their job. Written on my cell, promise to proof read later. So either he can't have Snute playing in any of these leagues in order to make an announcement? You're being completely unrealistic. Do you honestly expect him to be able to get /everyone/ who knows about it to sign agreements not to spill any info? What if they refuse? Speaking of "unrealistic" Leagues WANT these players competing, they're going to sign the agreement. Hell, usually they're the ones producing most paperwork and expecting you to sign it. I count 4 involved parties, that's 4 faxes. It's completely doable, that's why NDA's exist. It's a cultural problem in which many people think that it is fine to leak information and where teams feel it's too much work to protect their information. So he's gotta travel to each HQ's to get EVERYONE to sign. Don't be so naive, I am sure Bumble has /far/ more experience doing this than you do, if he says it is unrealistic, it is.
Or he can send them a fax or email. But yeah, lets pretend he'd have to travel around the world for it, that's reasonable.
Also I'd like to note I'm quite well aware and have always respected the work Bumblebee does. In no way am I targeting him or his way of doing business personally.
The larger problem is people that find out about these trades and can't be held accountable. Especially players themselves should take note of this, DON'T DISCUSS WHO YOU'RE NEGOTIATING WITH. Additionally a large problem is with teams and people related to teams not being professional enough. To them I say, if you're not trustworthy, your contribution to esports is worth a lot less. I'm sure we have someone within the community capable of writing up a generic NDA that players and teams can practically copy/paste. I don't think enforcing it will even be an issue, it's just that it's "too much hassle" now half the time.
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On January 18 2013 03:31 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:29 Ercster wrote:On January 18 2013 03:26 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 03:22 Ercster wrote:On January 18 2013 03:11 eight.BiT wrote:On January 18 2013 03:09 heyoka wrote:I think this is the most clear cut way to look at it. I don't know how this turned into an ethics debate or something over freedom of press, because that isn't the issue at hand. Journalists needs to do their job and the teams need to do theirs, occasionally these two things will conflict and the resolution isn't easy. The journalists need to be aware, however, that the way they choose to do it carry with them the risk of negatively impacting their ability to do the same things in the future. This is how the world works. On January 18 2013 01:15 AshenCZ wrote:
Then again, as Destiny pointed out, if something leaks, it is the TEAM's fault, not Slasher's for finding out and doing his job... I understand how people come to this conclusion because it seems like a logical way to look at it, but it's completely untrue. The esports world is very small, if team management are talking to one guy or another it's obvious to a ton of people who have no involvement in the transaction. Negotiations can take forever and during these any team who has expressed interest but been turned down will figure out by process of elimination where they are going, the team has no control over a ton of people who know outside their organization. So therefore if so many people know anyway, why the Slasher witch hunt? Someone else would have just reported it. To my knowledge, other teams/leagues/etc. knowing where players are going isn't new, and this wasn't an issue before. It wasn't an issue before? Those leaks stilled happened but that was 2 years ago when no one with money gave two shits about SC2. Money. Moneymoneymoney. Okay, so it stopped 2 years ago? No, I'm saying this has happened since the start of SC2 and continued until today...
If teams like EG and TL were in need of the money more back then than now, why is it only an issue now?
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I still see it like this, Big teams that don't want info leaked = US Government, Slasher = Julian Assange. To be frank, which is "right" depends on which side you're on.
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On January 18 2013 03:40 SamanthaRain wrote:
I still see it like this, Big teams that don't want info leaked = US Government, Slasher = Julian Assange. To be frank, which is "right" depends on which side you're on.
HOW?!?!?! The US government probably wouldn't have released the information that he released. The teams would have. As a matter of fact, the leaks that were talked about were released officially within 2 weeks.
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Good post by Nazgul, very straightforward.
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On January 18 2013 03:40 SamanthaRain wrote:
I still see it like this, Big teams that don't want info leaked = US Government, Slasher = Julian Assange. To be frank, which is "right" depends on which side you're on.
more like it seems like you don't know what US Government was actually doing.
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On January 18 2013 03:27 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:24 Zealos wrote:On January 18 2013 03:11 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 03:07 Zealos wrote:On January 18 2013 02:53 Martijn wrote:On January 18 2013 02:24 Bumblebee wrote:
No, it is not the team's fault that it leaks. It's something we're not in control over. There are too many people that needs to be involved in player transfers and stuff alike for the team to have control over the situation -- nor do they really control the people who knows. Things such as the team the player comes from, the other bidding teams and tournaments who need to be informed ahead of time in order to secure spots/book/pay for things.
An example is that I had personally informed EG, IPL and IEM about Snute prior to the announcement since if I want Snute to play in SC2L or IPTL, I need to do that. Snute also came from another team and there were other bidders who also knew of our situation. There's just too many people who you don't have power over or control of. Robin if you can't trust the people you're telling you should not be telling them or have them sign something that says they can't. I like knowing about which player moves where beforehand, it's great being in the know. That's why I wouldn't leak something because if I did leak something I would expect there to be consequences. You're indirectly implying people should feel it's perfectly ok to leak things and there will be 0 consequences because it's outside of your control. Obviously this is very dangerous. Most of us don't leak things because we know it's not ok. Fault lies with he people leaking as they can't be trusted. So expose and blackball those people, not journalist doing their job. Written on my cell, promise to proof read later. So either he can't have Snute playing in any of these leagues in order to make an announcement? You're being completely unrealistic. Do you honestly expect him to be able to get /everyone/ who knows about it to sign agreements not to spill any info? What if they refuse? Speaking of "unrealistic" Leagues WANT these players competing, they're going to sign the agreement. Hell, usually they're the ones producing most paperwork and expecting you to sign it. I count 4 involved parties, that's 4 faxes. It's completely doable, that's why NDA's exist. It's a cultural problem in which many people think that it is fine to leak information and where teams feel it's too much work to protect their information. So he's gotta travel to each HQ's to get EVERYONE to sign. Don't be so naive, I am sure Bumble has /far/ more experience doing this than you do, if he says it is unrealistic, it is. I don't know about you but the rest of us live in 2013.
Regardless, NDA's aren't that simple, or it would already be happening. Hell, why does any info get leaked in any walk of life, when you can just NDA everyone everywhere?
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