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The tipping culture is fucked up.
America needs to harden up and start paying wait staff a decent wage.
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On June 22 2012 05:57 BruceLee6783 wrote:I don't usually tip for fast-food (Sonic Drive-In is an exception). I will tip my waiter/waitress at a more expensive restaurant for great service. Most importantly, I will tip my pizza delivery driver because I understand the driver is using his/her personal vehicle and gas money. Tips provide workers with an incentive to provide exceptional service. I understand it's their job irregardless. But I can't think of a single delivery driver or waiter/waitress who wouldn't want to switch to a different position in their restaurants if tipping disappeared. http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com is full of great information about why tipping is a good thing.
While there are many arguments for tipping (I already outlined some earlier), this is not one of them.
Why? Because we hardly tip any workers or professionals.
Do we tip teachers, with the understanding that they'll teach our kids more material? No.
Do we tip doctors, with the understanding that they'll heal us more effectively? No.
In fact, there are very few jobs where you tip people. The reason for that is because it's already their job to provide exceptional service. If they don't provide good service, then they get fired. Are you really conceding that it's the waiter's job to only provide shitty service (or fair service at best), and then as an incentive, they can be good to customers for more money?
Surely not, as customers would obviously not return to a restaurant with crummy service, and then the business would go under.
In other news:
irregardless
-_____-'
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give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all.
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On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all.
japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan.
as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip.
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On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip.
So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know.
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On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know.
i have no idea what you are trying to say.
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you don't have to but i always leave a dollar or 2 for take out, people who work in the food industry work hard and don't make alot of money, i wouldn't leave 15-20% but even a dollar makes them happy because i know most people don't tip.
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On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say.
It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay.
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On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay.
everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's tips to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage.
http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workers
the government explains it better than me maybe:
What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits.
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
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On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: Show nested quote +What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)
"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]"
So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage.
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On June 22 2012 09:19 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]" So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage.
at first i just wanted to call you an idiot, but let me try a different tact.
the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. in some states the employer doesnt pay the entire minimum wage because it is allowed to supplement its own payment with tips the employee received. regardless, the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage.
oh, and dont cite wikipedia to me when i cite the United States Department of Labor website to you.
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On June 22 2012 09:22 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:19 farvacola wrote:On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]" So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage. at first i just wanted to call you an idiot, but let me try a different tact. the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. in some states the employer doesnt pay the entire minimum wage because it is allowed to supplement its own payment with tips the employee received. regardless, the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. oh, and dont cite wikipedia to me when i cite the United States Department of Labor website to you.
Check the citation on the page, it cites the same Fair Labor Standards Act and makes a wildly different interpretation. Perhaps you ought to speak to a wikipedia moderator and get that changed to your version of reality. Is this where I say I was going to call you an idiot? I forget how this dance goes. Go to any restaurant in any of the non-listed states and ask a waitress "If you don't get tipped for a week, do you make less then minimum wage then?" The answer will be yes.
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On June 22 2012 09:26 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:22 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:19 farvacola wrote:On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]" So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage. at first i just wanted to call you an idiot, but let me try a different tact. the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. in some states the employer doesnt pay the entire minimum wage because it is allowed to supplement its own payment with tips the employee received. regardless, the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. oh, and dont cite wikipedia to me when i cite the United States Department of Labor website to you. Check the citation on the page, it cites the same Fair Labor Standards Act and makes a wildly different interpretation. Perhaps you ought to speak to a wikipedia moderator and get that changed to your version of reality. Is this where I say I was going to call you an idiot? I forget how this dance goes.
no, it doesnt make a wildly different interpretation. you are not reading it correctly. employees always get paid minimum wage. the only difference among the states is whether the tips can be used to supplement the employer's payment. if, for example, an employee receives no tips then the employer always has to make up the difference. there is no situation where a person doesnt get tips and the employer can say "nope, you dont get minimum wage then."
Go to any restaurant in any of the non-listed states and ask a waitress "If you don't get tipped for a week, do you make less then minimum wage then?" The answer will be yes.
you added this after the fact. i prefer to consult with wage and hour attorneys rather than waitresses.
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and here is your link:
^ "Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees". Department of Labor. Retrieved 2009-09-01.[dead link]
i imagine "dead link" means its a pretty shitty resource.
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what the guy above said. tips must be reported. if an employee does not make the minimum wage number in tips then the employer must make up the difference. I'm sure there are shady places that cheat their employees. But the employees should report it. Shady stuff happens in all lines of work.
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On June 22 2012 09:22 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:19 farvacola wrote:On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]" So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage. at first i just wanted to call you an idiot, but let me try a different tact. the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. in some states the employer doesnt pay the entire minimum wage because it is allowed to supplement its own payment with tips the employee received. regardless, the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. oh, and dont cite wikipedia to me when i cite the United States Department of Labor website to you.
I have never been a tipped employee, but just because it's the law to pay everyone at least minimum wage doesn't mean everyone gets paid minimum wage. Similarly, there are very stringent requirements for employers to be allowed to not pay their interns, yet stories abound about unpaid internships offering nothing like what is legally required of them. Labor laws don't seem to be particularly well enforced.
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On June 22 2012 09:36 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:22 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:19 farvacola wrote:On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]" So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage. at first i just wanted to call you an idiot, but let me try a different tact. the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. in some states the employer doesnt pay the entire minimum wage because it is allowed to supplement its own payment with tips the employee received. regardless, the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. oh, and dont cite wikipedia to me when i cite the United States Department of Labor website to you. I have never been a tipped employee, but just because it's the law to pay everyone at least minimum wage doesn't mean everyone gets paid minimum wage. Similarly, there are very stringent requirements for employers to be allowed to not pay their interns, yet stories abound about unpaid internships offering nothing like what is legally required of them. Labor laws don't seem to be particularly well enforced.
Especially when the emplyees don't report it. You have to stand up for yourself every once in a while or people will try and walk all over you in life. Shady stuff happens in my Security company. I reported it to an outside 3rd party hotline that we have. Problem solved.
Companies like to prey on weak employees that keep silent. It happens. Idk how many times I've seen fellow employees get cheated on their wages etc. I ask them why don't they report it or do something. Their like....hmmm maybe later, I don't want to cause problems....... Like W T F mate.
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On June 22 2012 09:36 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:22 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:19 farvacola wrote:On June 22 2012 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 09:04 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:32 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:21 Skilledblob wrote:
give waiting staff decent wages so you dont have to tip anymore, this leaves room to give tips for good service and not out of pity.
I think it was the japanese who dont tip at all. japanese dont tip, and its always fun to explain to them why we tip in america even though the service is horrible compared to japan. and, no, they dont get paid more in japan. as for wages, minimum wage is guaranteed for all professions where you tip. So 'living off tips' is a fallacy or straight up lie? Good to know. i have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a common assumption (which now, assuming what you are saying is correct, is either a fallacy or a complete outright lie) that most waitstaff rely on tips to supplement their below minimum wage pay. everyone gets paid the minimum wage. thats why its called the minimum wage. some states allow the employer to take the tipped employee's wages to offset their obligation to pay the minimum wage (e.g., if the person gets $5 an hour in tips, the employer only pays the difference between $5 and the minimum wage each hour). other states (like mine, California) made this illegal (i.e., employer must pay full minimum wage). regardless, you can never pay en employee less than the minimum wage. http://www.paywizard.org/main/minimum-wage/tipped-workersthe government explains it better than me maybe: What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)"Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[16]" So no, in the majority of states here in the US a lack of tipping on a given day will certainly result is less than minimum wage. at first i just wanted to call you an idiot, but let me try a different tact. the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. in some states the employer doesnt pay the entire minimum wage because it is allowed to supplement its own payment with tips the employee received. regardless, the employee ALWAYS makes minimum wage. oh, and dont cite wikipedia to me when i cite the United States Department of Labor website to you. I have never been a tipped employee, but just because it's the law to pay everyone at least minimum wage doesn't mean everyone gets paid minimum wage. Similarly, there are very stringent requirements for employers to be allowed to not pay their interns, yet stories abound about unpaid internships offering nothing like what is legally required of them. Labor laws don't seem to be particularly well enforced.
well, i can only tell you what the law is. if an employer chooses not to follow the law then i dont know what to say.
as for enforcement, labor laws (at least in California) are fucking out of control. you get huge fines and attorney fees if you violate the labor laws here. i just took a case to trial last september on a wage and hour claim. its so damn lenient for employees.
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Sooooo..... don't tip?
Why do people still tip in the USA and staff EXPECT tips for lackluster service?
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On June 22 2012 09:45 hkf wrote:
Sooooo..... don't tip?
Why do people still tip in the USA and staff EXPECT tips for lackluster service?
i tip because its an american cultural thing and i would encourage others to respect the local culture. i would not tip for bad service though. i dont tip when i am in japan because thats not the culture.
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Some of you make me think about the opening scene in reservoir dogs.
However I disagree with Mr.pink. Tipping is important and i tip 1 gallon of gas for delivery (+more if they are super helpful, or offer free food), and take out i tip to the kitchens.
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