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On June 22 2012 14:56 hkf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 14:55 ranshaked wrote:On June 22 2012 14:31 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 13:34 ranshaked wrote:On June 22 2012 13:18 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 13:12 ranshaked wrote:
Okay. Let me break this down to foreigners (outside of the USA). I've worked in the delivery business for a Chinese restaurant for over 5 years. Tipping a driver and a server evens out the work that is being done. In my state of Florida the minimum wage is $7.67 an hour, but minimum wage is $3.02 for a tipped job and minimum cash (take home) is $4.65. This means, that the minimum amount a tipped service industry employee can take home per hour is $4.65. That is not enough to live off, let alone thrive. Often times the people that deliver your food or serve you are one of the following: 1) College/high school students 2) Dropouts from said schools 3) People without a job that are working to make ends meet until they find a career or well paying job
With that said, please tip your drivers/servers. I often times deliver to foreigners that cannot understand this concept (I live in the disney world area with a lot of tourists). For instance, tonight I made $42 dollars in tips, and I receive $5.00 per hour. I worked 5 hours which means I made $25.00 + $42.00=$67.00. It comes out to a little more than $10.00 an hour, which appears to be great, but in that time I also spent over $10 dollars in gas. Yes, I still make $57.00, but of course as anyone knows, the service industry is not easy.
The reason why I complain is this: When anyone else goes to another country they typically follows the customs of that country, but unfortunately MOST foreigners do not follow tipping procedures. I can't name how many times I've delivered to foreigners hundreds of dollars worth of food and ended up with a no-tip. This hurts me not only financially, but it fucks my mind up because those people do not respect our customs. Please, I beg you, if you're in the USA tip.
EDIT: Some days our servers will bring home less than minimum wage because it was either slow, or the customers did not tip. It's fucked up that people bust their asses for shitty people to not tip. Get a better job or deal with it Yes, it sounds harsh, but that's life. It's not the tourist's fault that your country's legistlation does not sufficiently protect the service industry. Sigh that's like me saying "don't come to our country if you don't want to follow the customs". Where else can I find a job that pays as well as this? Most nights I will make over $20 per hour. So please, tell me where I can fid a job that will pay bills, rent and schooling? There's a reason why I have to work as a delivery driver. It's because I'm not qualified to do anything else, and in this economy I can't exactly find anything. So tell me where can I find this better job? You're in a country with rules, I suggest following them If I choose to visit a country, I will follow their laws. But not their customs. For example, I will be visiting Dubai this December. I will (most likely) not have a hookup there because getting caught = getting lashes. However I won't not eat pork because pork is delicious and is also not punishible in the sense of the law. Also I want to highlight It's because I'm not qualified to do anything else And supposedly that's someone else's problem ... how? As a full time college student that pays for his college and bills because of my tipped job and otherwise could not, please tell me who's fault that is? I'm not qualified to do anything else because I don't have a college degree yet. What other type of job can a college student do that would allow him/her to pay for college, rent, bills, car payment etc? It costs me on average $1500 a months to live. If I worked at a non tipped job I would make below $10 an hour, which would not cut it with school. By not qualified, I mean I don't have the qualifications. How does one obtain those? By going to school. Where else do you expect a college student to work and make it work? You're provided a service. I have to ask, would you rather pay $15 for A meal instead of ten if you didn't have to tip? We both know that restaurants would need to increase their pay to workers which would dramatically increase food prices. Would you rather that money go directly to the hard workers or to the business? If it goes to a business, it will never be passed down to the employer. I self taught web design, networked for summer jobs, played poker. It's possible. good luck finding a job as an it major without the education. So basically, all people should learn web design and flood the market to make ends meet? Or should I illegally play poker? Yes, it is illegal.
My major requires either a college degree or an immense amount of certificates. Without those I will be unable to find a job. You're just being silly by saying that just because you managed to make ends
Meet by web design that everyone else can. You're severely misguided in the way the US handles situations. It's a broken system, but it isn't going to change. I might as well start dealing drugs by your logic.
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On June 22 2012 15:01 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 14:56 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 14:55 ranshaked wrote:On June 22 2012 14:31 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 13:34 ranshaked wrote:On June 22 2012 13:18 hkf wrote:On June 22 2012 13:12 ranshaked wrote:
Okay. Let me break this down to foreigners (outside of the USA). I've worked in the delivery business for a Chinese restaurant for over 5 years. Tipping a driver and a server evens out the work that is being done. In my state of Florida the minimum wage is $7.67 an hour, but minimum wage is $3.02 for a tipped job and minimum cash (take home) is $4.65. This means, that the minimum amount a tipped service industry employee can take home per hour is $4.65. That is not enough to live off, let alone thrive. Often times the people that deliver your food or serve you are one of the following: 1) College/high school students 2) Dropouts from said schools 3) People without a job that are working to make ends meet until they find a career or well paying job
With that said, please tip your drivers/servers. I often times deliver to foreigners that cannot understand this concept (I live in the disney world area with a lot of tourists). For instance, tonight I made $42 dollars in tips, and I receive $5.00 per hour. I worked 5 hours which means I made $25.00 + $42.00=$67.00. It comes out to a little more than $10.00 an hour, which appears to be great, but in that time I also spent over $10 dollars in gas. Yes, I still make $57.00, but of course as anyone knows, the service industry is not easy.
The reason why I complain is this: When anyone else goes to another country they typically follows the customs of that country, but unfortunately MOST foreigners do not follow tipping procedures. I can't name how many times I've delivered to foreigners hundreds of dollars worth of food and ended up with a no-tip. This hurts me not only financially, but it fucks my mind up because those people do not respect our customs. Please, I beg you, if you're in the USA tip.
EDIT: Some days our servers will bring home less than minimum wage because it was either slow, or the customers did not tip. It's fucked up that people bust their asses for shitty people to not tip. Get a better job or deal with it Yes, it sounds harsh, but that's life. It's not the tourist's fault that your country's legistlation does not sufficiently protect the service industry. Sigh that's like me saying "don't come to our country if you don't want to follow the customs". Where else can I find a job that pays as well as this? Most nights I will make over $20 per hour. So please, tell me where I can fid a job that will pay bills, rent and schooling? There's a reason why I have to work as a delivery driver. It's because I'm not qualified to do anything else, and in this economy I can't exactly find anything. So tell me where can I find this better job? You're in a country with rules, I suggest following them If I choose to visit a country, I will follow their laws. But not their customs. For example, I will be visiting Dubai this December. I will (most likely) not have a hookup there because getting caught = getting lashes. However I won't not eat pork because pork is delicious and is also not punishible in the sense of the law. Also I want to highlight It's because I'm not qualified to do anything else And supposedly that's someone else's problem ... how? As a full time college student that pays for his college and bills because of my tipped job and otherwise could not, please tell me who's fault that is? I'm not qualified to do anything else because I don't have a college degree yet. What other type of job can a college student do that would allow him/her to pay for college, rent, bills, car payment etc? It costs me on average $1500 a months to live. If I worked at a non tipped job I would make below $10 an hour, which would not cut it with school. By not qualified, I mean I don't have the qualifications. How does one obtain those? By going to school. Where else do you expect a college student to work and make it work? You're provided a service. I have to ask, would you rather pay $15 for A meal instead of ten if you didn't have to tip? We both know that restaurants would need to increase their pay to workers which would dramatically increase food prices. Would you rather that money go directly to the hard workers or to the business? If it goes to a business, it will never be passed down to the employer. I self taught web design, networked for summer jobs, played poker. It's possible. good luck finding a job as an it major without the education. So basically, all people should learn web design and flood the market to make ends meet? Or should I illegally play poker? Yes, it is illegal. My major requires either a college degree or an immense amount of certificates. Without those I will be unable to find a job. You're just being silly by saying that just because you managed to make ends Meet by web design that everyone else can. You're severely misguided in the way the US handles situations. It's a broken system, but it isn't going to change. I might as well start dealing drugs by your logic.
I did what I had to do to survive, you should too.
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Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night
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On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote:
Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night
overreact much? there are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage that you can get as a college student during summers, and most campuses have jobs on campus during the school year. little off-point though. i always tip delivery people, but listening to you makes me not want to anymore.
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On June 22 2012 15:08 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote:
Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night overreact much? there are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage that you can get as a college student during summers, and most campuses have jobs on campus during the school year. little off-point though. i always tip delivery people, but listening to you makes me not want to anymore.
Say a job pays $10 an hour and you work 40 hours a week for 8 weeks during the summer. You will make $1600 a month per month, with nearly $1500 in bills etc you would save $200 that summer. Most campus jobs pay less than $10 an hour. You're way off on this math. If you live alone and pay for bills rent and college it's nearly impossible without a tipped job.
Not to mention, in this economy good luck even finding anything more than minimum wage.
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On June 22 2012 15:08 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote:
Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night overreact much? there are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage that you can get as a college student during summers, and most campuses have jobs on campus during the school year. little off-point though. i always tip delivery people, but listening to you makes me not want to anymore.
Entitled kids always feels like they deserve something for their 'struggles' yet they do not understand that someone else has struggled more.
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I always tip, I hope it makes peoples' days better. I also understand the bad tipping/minimum wage system.
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On June 22 2012 15:15 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 15:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote:
Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night overreact much? there are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage that you can get as a college student during summers, and most campuses have jobs on campus during the school year. little off-point though. i always tip delivery people, but listening to you makes me not want to anymore. Say a job pays $10 an hour and you work 40 hours a week for 8 weeks during the summer. You will make $1600 a month per month, with nearly $1500 in bills etc you would save $200 that summer. Most campus jobs pay less than $10 an hour. You're way off on this math. If you live alone and pay for bills rent and college it's nearly impossible without a tipped job. Not to mention, in this economy good luck even finding anything more than minimum wage.
I get paid more than $25 an hour for my campus job, and so do all the other people I know - undergrad students working largely in tutoring first years, helping to facilitate events, working in residential colleges and marketing the university. The trick is to work directly for the university rather than for one of the shops that rents space in the union.
The other main alternative is part-time work in the local beaurocracy. That pays decently and can lead into a career.
If you would consider playing poker online were it not illegal, have you thought about playing poker at casinos where it is perfectly legal during the summer break?
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On June 22 2012 16:23 -_-Quails wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 15:15 ranshaked wrote:On June 22 2012 15:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote:
Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night overreact much? there are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage that you can get as a college student during summers, and most campuses have jobs on campus during the school year. little off-point though. i always tip delivery people, but listening to you makes me not want to anymore. Say a job pays $10 an hour and you work 40 hours a week for 8 weeks during the summer. You will make $1600 a month per month, with nearly $1500 in bills etc you would save $200 that summer. Most campus jobs pay less than $10 an hour. You're way off on this math. If you live alone and pay for bills rent and college it's nearly impossible without a tipped job. Not to mention, in this economy good luck even finding anything more than minimum wage. I get paid more than $25 an hour for my campus job, and so do all the other people I know - undergrad students working largely in tutoring first years, helping to facilitate events, working in residential colleges and marketing the university. The trick is to work directly for the university rather than for one of the shops that rents space in the union. The other main alternative is part-time work in the local beaurocracy. That pays decently and can lead into a career. If you would consider playing poker online were it not illegal, have you thought about playing poker at casinos where it is perfectly legal during the summer break?
Almost no one in the US is getting paid $25/hr to work on campus. Most of the work-study, tutoring, office positions at my school pay minimum wage. (which is $7.67/hr) And you can't even get many of them unless you are on financial aid, which is not so bad I guess since they need the cash most... but there definitely aren't enough to go around. If there was a $25/hr office job available for students, people would be lining up to have sex with whoever offered it.
For the record, if you got paid $25/hr in the US working 40 hr/week all year, you'd be right at the median household income.
That being said, it's really annoying how some servers and the like complain about their jobs for being hypothetically minimum wage while raking in >$20/hr. The job might be hard, but it's pretty much the best paying job available for most college students, so I do feel like they complain too much. Probably just another case of remembering all the people who tip you with a religious pamphlet while forgetting about all the other tables tipping 20%.
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Someone still has to get your order together along with any sides it comes with. I think a small tip should be given. Anywhere from $1 to $5 depending on the complexity/size of the takeout order.
When I worked at a restaurant on busy nights like Fri/Sat we'd have a dedicated "to-go" person. They'd work pretty hard and only got maybe $8/hour or so since small tips were expected.
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On June 22 2012 17:20 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:23 -_-Quails wrote:On June 22 2012 15:15 ranshaked wrote:On June 22 2012 15:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote:
Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night overreact much? there are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage that you can get as a college student during summers, and most campuses have jobs on campus during the school year. little off-point though. i always tip delivery people, but listening to you makes me not want to anymore. Say a job pays $10 an hour and you work 40 hours a week for 8 weeks during the summer. You will make $1600 a month per month, with nearly $1500 in bills etc you would save $200 that summer. Most campus jobs pay less than $10 an hour. You're way off on this math. If you live alone and pay for bills rent and college it's nearly impossible without a tipped job. Not to mention, in this economy good luck even finding anything more than minimum wage. I get paid more than $25 an hour for my campus job, and so do all the other people I know - undergrad students working largely in tutoring first years, helping to facilitate events, working in residential colleges and marketing the university. The trick is to work directly for the university rather than for one of the shops that rents space in the union. The other main alternative is part-time work in the local beaurocracy. That pays decently and can lead into a career. If you would consider playing poker online were it not illegal, have you thought about playing poker at casinos where it is perfectly legal during the summer break? Almost no one in the US is getting paid $25/hr to work on campus. Most of the work-study, tutoring, office positions at my school pay minimum wage. (which is $7.67/hr) And you can't even get many of them unless you are on financial aid, which is not so bad I guess since they need the cash most... but there definitely aren't enough to go around. If there was a $25/hr office job available for students, people would be lining up to have sex with whoever offered it. For the record, if you got paid $25/hr in the US working 40 hr/week all year, you'd be right at the median household income. That being said, it's really annoying how some servers and the like complain about their jobs for being hypothetically minimum wage while raking in >$20/hr. The job might be hard, but it's pretty much the best paying job available for most college students, so I do feel like they complain too much. Probably just another case of remembering all the people who tip you with a religious pamphlet while forgetting about all the other tables tipping 20%.
Heard of a little thing called cost of living?
Min wage in AU is so high because we pay (equivalent of) $110USD for AAA video games.
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On June 22 2012 05:57 Noyect wrote:
Tipping is generally a bad idea as it helps keeping the wages down.
Someone mentioned in an earlier post that you should tip because the wages are so low, but they are actually able to keep them that low because "you're supposed to make up for it in tips".
I would feel mean not to tip if someone provided me with excellent service. But not for just serving me my food, which is what I went there and paid for in the first place.
I see your from Sweden. In you go to the US and receive adequate service from your waiter then you should tip at least 15%. If you don't, you're just a cheap jerk. Just remember that your food was a bit cheaper because of the tipping system and you're paying the waiter the difference.
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On June 22 2012 13:12 ranshaked wrote:
Okay. Let me break this down to foreigners (outside of the USA). I've worked in the delivery business for a Chinese restaurant for over 5 years. Tipping a driver and a server evens out the work that is being done. In my state of Florida the minimum wage is $7.67 an hour, but minimum wage is $3.02 for a tipped job and minimum cash (take home) is $4.65. This means, that the minimum amount a tipped service industry employee can take home per hour is $4.65. That is not enough to live off, let alone thrive. Often times the people that deliver your food or serve you are one of the following: 1) College/high school students 2) Dropouts from said schools 3) People without a job that are working to make ends meet until they find a career or well paying job
With that said, please tip your drivers/servers. I often times deliver to foreigners that cannot understand this concept (I live in the disney world area with a lot of tourists). For instance, tonight I made $42 dollars in tips, and I receive $5.00 per hour. I worked 5 hours which means I made $25.00 + $42.00=$67.00. It comes out to a little more than $10.00 an hour, which appears to be great, but in that time I also spent over $10 dollars in gas. Yes, I still make $57.00, but of course as anyone knows, the service industry is not easy.
The reason why I complain is this: When anyone else goes to another country they typically follows the customs of that country, but unfortunately MOST foreigners do not follow tipping procedures. I can't name how many times I've delivered to foreigners hundreds of dollars worth of food and ended up with a no-tip. This hurts me not only financially, but it fucks my mind up because those people do not respect our customs. Please, I beg you, if you're in the USA tip.
EDIT: Some days our servers will bring home less than minimum wage because it was either slow, or the customers did not tip. It's fucked up that people bust their asses for shitty people to not tip.
haha hell nah, I would of just stood there if they had hundreds of dollars worth of food and no tip. I would be standing there like a stalker blocking the door so that they can't close it until they either call the police or give me some type of tip.
Honestly I try to avoid tipping establishments like the plague because most of the time the service is subpar. Also the servers are really "cheesy" like you can tell they are faking their enthusiasm in hopes of getting a bigger tip and stuff. It's kind of creepy seeing the waiter watching my every move and having a big grin on his/her face as I'm eating.
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I may skip the tip if he conveniently lacks change for price + 10% + closest round up or starts counting and asks for the price at more than 20% to go :D.
I can't be arsed with people trying to make you tip more so they get nothing. Same for getting the wrong drink or forgetting sauce for the pizza. That's for delivery. Restaurants 10%+, up to 20-30% depending on service and food quality. Can happen to be 0 if I'm more pissed off when I leave compared to when I came in.
Normal tip here is 10% I believe.
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I was always curious... If you order pizza and its like "30 minute delivery or free" and it takes them 45m-1hour, and you get the pizza for free, does the delivery driver have to pay out of his own pocket?
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Never tip for take out, and any waiter who'd expect that is a fuck stick.
How the hell did this thread turn into another debate about tipping in general? You go out to eat in the US at a restaurant, you tip, you cheap fucks. God, people are such miserable, frugal bastards.
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On June 22 2012 04:33 iamperfection wrote:
Delivery yes. Pick up no.
Bingo. I've never gotten flak for not tipping for pick up food.
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On June 22 2012 23:51 Hawk wrote:
Never tip for take out, and any waiter who'd expect that is a fuck stick.
How the hell did this thread turn into another debate about tipping in general? You go out to eat in the US at a restaurant, you tip, you cheap fucks. God, people are such miserable, frugal bastards.
Actually no matter where I was if the service/food is not decent (depending on what could be expected in that place, foodwise, service is supposed to be good just about anywhere) they get no tip.
You better have someone that watches the room and orders are taken fast. Not really fussed about how long order -> food takes but drinks and non-cooking stuff should be seen/handled fast, not like I saw in some places, waiters walking around with their face stuck to the floor and actually having to whistle to get their attention. They missed out on more tips, more orders and returning customers, cause the food was delicious.
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On June 22 2012 18:45 Jonoman92 wrote:
Someone still has to get your order together along with any sides it comes with. I think a small tip should be given. Anywhere from $1 to $5 depending on the complexity/size of the takeout order.
When I worked at a restaurant on busy nights like Fri/Sat we'd have a dedicated "to-go" person. They'd work pretty hard and only got maybe $8/hour or so since small tips were expected.
i worked fast food in a drive-thru window for two years. worked my ass off and got 50% shit from customers. got $1 tip during that entire time period. please explain to me why the restaurant's to-go person is entitled to a tip, but i am not?
the thing i don't like about tipping is that it is so arbitrary who gets it and how much. people who are struggling like everyone is talking about get shit tips because they work at shit restaurants that are cheap. people who arent struggling because they work at high class restaurants get fucking huge ass tips (the food is expensive). the latter provide us better service because its expected at a five-star restaurant and they get compensated better.
its all arbitrary and it pisses me off. i still tip though, but only because its custom, not because i agree with it.
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