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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:08 Torenhire wrote: Denny's isn't Fast Food, for those mentioning it. I don't usually tip for stuff like that...going there and ordering something to go doesn't really warrant a tip...I will tip, however, to some places I am a regular at. Not every time, but if I'm going there once a week (or sometimes more) and the person mentions that, I'll sometimes tip a buck or two. :D I wouldn't describe Denny's as fast food but I'm very hesitant in calling it an actual restaurant. It's like IHOP. A great place to be drunk. You tip if you sit. If you're at home waiting on delivery or waiting at a table for your meal you tip. If you stand and wait for take out you don't. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
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vlaric
United States412 Posts
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OpTiKSoul
United States13 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On June 23 2012 02:44 Probe1 wrote: You tip if you sit. If you're at home waiting on delivery or waiting at a table for your meal you tip. If you stand and wait for take out you don't. [/thread] Lol so many cheap turds on TL. Is it really that big of a deal to give the chinese food delivery guy an extra buck or two? The feverent principled stands people are taking on this is pretty silly, lol. Call me crazy. On June 23 2012 02:28 dAPhREAk wrote: i worked fast food in a drive-thru window for two years. worked my ass off and got 50% shit from customers. got $1 tip during that entire time period. please explain to me why the restaurant's to-go person is entitled to a tip, but i am not? the thing i don't like about tipping is that it is so arbitrary who gets it and how much. people who are struggling like everyone is talking about get shit tips because they work at shit restaurants that are cheap. people who arent struggling because they work at high class restaurants get fucking huge ass tips (the food is expensive). the latter provide us better service because its expected at a five-star restaurant and they get compensated better. its all arbitrary and it pisses me off. i still tip though, but only because its custom, not because i agree with it. I'm sure the custom started in some logical, well thought out manner that has been completely warped over time. Everything is like that, if we started disecting every social activity that was arbitrary we could be here a very long time. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
mom & pop stores you can argue a bit. I'm tired of tip system in USA. Places like Denny's should be able to pay their employees properly. Nowadays everywhere I go tip is included in the check anyway. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
@TheToast. yeah, its become very arbitrary. its just absurd the people who are asking for tips nowadays that have little to do with the so-called service industry. | ||
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hkf
Australia354 Posts
(2) its mandatory in a lot of restaurants that you tip (i.e., they add it to your bill); tip/tip/ Noun: The pointed or rounded end or extremity of something slender or tapering. A place where trash is deposited; a dump. A sum of money given to someone as a way of rewarding them for their services. mandatory where The whole tip culture is fucked. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Not tipping a delivery driver though should be punishable by death. Not only is it a shitty job but they're putting wear and damage on their vehicles at personal cost. So maybe they get $4 an hour plus tip, maybe they get $7. Still, they have to pay for their own oil, gas, replacement parts, insurance, and so on. Even if its a guy on a bicycle then you should tip him. blahb lah tip delivery drivers. (I used to work in a local pizza shop and I always pitied the delivery guys. We would sit next to warm pizza ovens drinking and smoking and laughing as college girls lifted their shirts at us. They would have to deal with the drunk college guys running red lights and making prank orders. So I've got a lot of institutional pity for delivery when it comes to tipping) | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 23 2012 07:41 Probe1 wrote: If it's added to the bill it is not a tip. It's a service surcharge. Even then I would leave additional money on the grounds that I want to directly benefit the person who served me, not see $3 split between the 5 servers. Not tipping a delivery driver though should be punishable by death. Not only is it a shitty job but they're putting wear and damage on their vehicles at personal cost. So maybe they get $4 an hour plus tip, maybe they get $7. Still, they have to pay for their own oil, gas, replacement parts, insurance, and so on. Even if its a guy on a bicycle then you should tip him. blahb lah tip delivery drivers. (I used to work in a local pizza shop and I always pitied the delivery guys. We would sit next to warm pizza ovens drinking and smoking and laughing as college girls lifted their shirts at us. They would have to deal with the drunk college guys running red lights and making prank orders. So I've got a lot of institutional pity for delivery when it comes to tipping) i agree with you on giving the tips. let me get that out there, but there are some misstatements. they add a gratuity charge, which is a tip. its customary not to give a tip if a gratuity charge is added. not sure why you would think you need to give them additional money after they have already taken 18% off the top. as for splitting the tip, many places force the servers to split the tip anyways between busboys, waitresses, chefs, etc. not sure why the server should be entitled to the tip and everyone else should get screwed over. but thats just me. people who use their own car for work are normally entitled to a mileage reimbursement. that covers gas AND wear/tear on your car, etc. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
So how do we solve this issue: we can pay our tipped positions a livable wage $15 or more an hour, which will increase food prices by 20%. Or we can keep the current system. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 23 2012 08:19 ranshaked wrote: No they don't. They don't buy you new tires or pay for part repair and you usually break even on gas because of the delivery fee. That additional 2$ is for repairs and gas. Unfortunately, car parts and tires are not cheap. My restaurant only puts the 18% gratuity in if it's a party of over 6 or the bill is over $200 or if the customers are a nuisance. It's not fair for a waiter to deal with ten people for two hours for a no tip. So how do we solve this issue: we can pay our tipped positions a livable wage $15 or more an hour, which will increase food prices by 20%. Or we can keep the current system. What Expenses Does Mileage Reimbursement Cover? The mileage reimbursement rate is intended to cover the costs of operating a car for business purposes. The costs that are contemplated by the standard mileage rate are standard maintenance, repairs, taxes, gas, insurance, and registration fees. Essentially the standard mileage rate is intended to cover the expenses that one would report if he used the actual car expenses deduction, but the standard mileage reimbursement rate is simply an estimate and may end up being more or even less than your actual expenses. http://smallbusiness.chron.com/expenses-mileage-reimbursement-cover-24925.html Mileage reimbursement covers: Gasoline The cost of maintenance (oil, lube, routine maintenance) Insurance (liability, damage, comprehensive and collision coverage) Licensing and registration Depreciation and all other costs associated with operation of the vehicle http://www.dpa.ca.gov/personnel-policies/travel/personal-vehicle-mileage-reimbursement.htm | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
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Elurie
4716 Posts
Not only will [prepared] food prices go up, salaries of many other jobs will have to go up as well... to keep it fair. I'm sure some teachers don't even make that much. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On June 23 2012 08:41 dAPhREAk wrote: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/expenses-mileage-reimbursement-cover-24925.html http://www.dpa.ca.gov/personnel-policies/travel/personal-vehicle-mileage-reimbursement.htm http://waiterpay.com/class-certification-for-delivery-drivers-at-papa-johns-restaurants/ It doesn't happen. I'm telling you | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 23 2012 09:34 ranshaked wrote: http://waiterpay.com/class-certification-for-delivery-drivers-at-papa-johns-restaurants/ It doesn't happen. I'm telling you let me get this straight. i tell you that they may be entitled to mileage reimbursement, and you send me an article where Papa John's is being sued because it allegedly violated the FLSA requiring them to pay mileage reimbursements? are you saying that it is not the law that they are entitled to mileage reimbursement? or are you saying that no one follows the law? if the former, i say bullshit. if the latter, i say i am only addressing what the law is, not whether people follow the law. | ||
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hkf
Australia354 Posts
Not tipping a delivery driver though should be punishable by death. Not only is it a shitty job . In the end your job is still of your own volition (through some form of choice or another you wound up at that job) If you think your job sucks, why should I have to compensate you for it? | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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sevencck
Canada704 Posts
On June 22 2012 15:07 ranshaked wrote: Sigh. I can't argue this anymore. The point is, there are very few jobs in the us that will pay more than minimum wage. Those few jobs are labor intensive and full time that rarely allow a person to go to school. Without tips, i would have to drop out of school and never progress with my life. Good night I've worked as a cook in 5 different restaurants, and it's this attitude of entitlement that made me hate the front staff so much. There are plenty of jobs that pay more than minimum wage, you simply don't want to do them. If people are presenting arguments against tipping, or even just suggesting that the culture of tipping has gone too far, the argument that "well it's necessary cause otherwise I couldn't afford X" is a very poor rebuttal. Regardless of where you work and what you make there will be things that are beyond what you can afford, and it's unreasonable and illogical to expect the public to subsidize you. Are there not student loans in your country? I'll also point out that the kitchen staff doesn't get tipped, only "tipped out," which amounts to very little, and many of them are going to school as well. Your argument isn't remotely logical, it merely reflects a sense of entitlement among servers that has been allowed to snowball out of control. It's also worth pointing out that if there really are very few jobs in the USA that pay more than minimum wage, expecting an automatic 15% is extremely unreasonable and entitled. On June 22 2012 15:53 Inori wrote: Seriously? First you whine about 4-5$ - ok, that is bad, I was even about to change my views on tipping. But then when offered to get a better job you already want over 20$? Fuck this, a lot of people with higher education don't even get that. You want to get payed as much if not more for an easy job, that requires no previous studies or experience, can be handled by anyone from 16 to 76, compared to people that actually spent their time in investing into studies and/or work experience? gtfo. Agreed. This post made me weep for joy. | ||
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