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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:40 Fishgle wrote: I voted no on the poll because I see no reason why LSD or Meth should ever be legalized. As sam!zdat already pointed out, LSD and Meth are pretty much incomparable (meth should be somewhere to the upper right of Heroin...): ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Drug_danger_and_dependence.png) While one of them is probably the least dangerous drug used for recreation, the other is basically poison. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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AbstractVoid
United States127 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:25 Tektos wrote: Your poll doesn't list enough options. Legalize ALL or NONE? Where is the option to legalize some particular drugs but not others. Heroin and meth in my opinion should not be legal, for good reason. Yeah I sort of agree maybe the poll should be reconsidered but there is so much variance in opinion. Also legalize a drug such as meth or heroin is not equal to promoting the drug or attempting to increase use, it is the opposite trying to open up treatment and awareness to stop use of these harmful drugs and eliminate the problems caused by trafficking them. On March 08 2012 11:33 MysteryMeat1 wrote: i doubt this topic really matters. If you guys "love" each other than a slight disagreement is stupid. on the other hand drugs are illegal and shouldn't be done. My uncle took LSD and Weed became sterile, has flashbacks, and randomly yells at people, other than that hes a pretty cool guy. I derailed my own thread didn't I? :D I'm confident it won't be a serious problem just provoked though on the issue. Also I'm sorry for your uncle but I don't believe we should make drugs illegal because of a few cases when the problem illegality causes is much bigger. I could use tobacco for instance people could tell endless stories of how their family or friends have died from lung cancer but we won't make tobacco illegal because it brings in tax money and is a firm part of our culture already. Sometimes personal appeal doesn't have much place in debate. (Not trying to be insensitive I do have emotions and family as well and wouldn't want anything to happen to the people I love.) | ||
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
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AbstractVoid
United States127 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:35 ManicMarine wrote: What a ridiculous poll. Way to reduce a whole complex argument to 2 black and white options. Thanks for the feedback I do agree the poll is not an accurate metric of opinion and thus I have removed it as the variance in opinion is so great that I would just encourage posting of comments as to explain opinion rather than trying to force people into two extremes. Sorry for the confusion, appreciate the feedback. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
Let me preface this by stating that in my personal life I will never experiment with any drugs regardless of potency or effect besides the occasional partaking of alcohol, but even then never with the intent to become fully intoxicated. This is mostly because I am comfortable and content with the way I feel and see no need to endanger my health or spend money on altering my being. Quite cutely naive ^_^ ah the innocence of youth .. | ||
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AbstractVoid
United States127 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:58 ArvickHero wrote: Like you said, legalization has already shown to provide big benefits, there's very few drawbacks to a well-done legalization of drugs. Problem is ofc, that many drugs are highly addictive and that's where the problem therein lies .. Quite cutely naive ^_^ ah the innocence of youth .. I would be careful with naive lol I don't think I'm youthfully innocent although I am only 17 as far as age I've been exposed to quite a few things already and that doesn't mean my future experiences won't include drinking or trying weed but as this present point I don't think it's a real possibility. As I said it's fine but I have goals for myself and would like to stick to them. | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
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AbstractVoid
United States127 Posts
On March 08 2012 12:20 cmen15 wrote: LSD??? GOOD DRUG!! Can we try to keep comments relevant, the great thing about TL for me is that it is a place where the average user is capable of intelligent discussion please don't try to ruin things for us. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
LSD and Meth are pretty much incomparable (meth should be somewhere to the upper right of Heroin...):While one of them is probably the least dangerous drug used for recreation, the other is basically poison. People who continue to quote that drugs don't have any side effects are to baked to read facts. I agree with you that the reason that the reason tobacco won't be outlawed anytime soon is because it brings in so much tax money. Alcohol on the other hand is a cultural thing, and on another note you can still drink it without getting drunk. You stated this yourself as well. Doing weed on the other hand incapciated you for a while even when taking just a little bit. Most/all users do it for the side effect of getting high and not because meth tastes good (i wouldn't know). oh btw im 17 as well. | ||
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AbstractVoid
United States127 Posts
On March 08 2012 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote: i wasn't trying to bring my uncle in as a guilt trip but people say that drugs don't have bad side effects. People who continue to quote that drugs don't have any side effects are to baked to read facts. I agree with you that the reason that the reason tobacco won't be outlawed anytime soon is because it brings in so much tax money. Alcohol on the other hand is a cultural thing, and on another note you can still drink it without getting drunk. You stated this yourself as well. Doing weed on the other hand incapciated you for a while even when taking just a little bit. Most/all users do it for the side effect of getting high and not because meth tastes good (i wouldn't know). oh btw im 17 as well. I don't think anyone has said that drugs don't have negative side effects, they all do part of what makes a drug a drug is altering the normal function of the body. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:34 AbstractVoid wrote: Yeah I sort of agree maybe the poll should be reconsidered but there is so much variance in opinion. Also legalize a drug such as meth or heroin is not equal to promoting the drug or attempting to increase use, it is the opposite trying to open up treatment and awareness to stop use of these harmful drugs and eliminate the problems caused by trafficking them. I am fully aware that legalizing a drug is not synonymous with encouraging usage of the substance. It is just the legalizing a serious drug such as heroin has other implications other than just being able to provide treatment to stop use. Also note that decriminalization and legalization are both different yet viable options. I specifically stated I would never support the legalization of a drug like heroin. | ||
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AbstractVoid
United States127 Posts
On March 08 2012 14:03 Tektos wrote: I am fully aware that legalizing a drug is not synonymous with encouraging usage of the substance. It is just the legalizing a serious drug such as heroin has other implications other than just being able to provide treatment to stop use. Also note that decriminalization and legalization are both different yet viable options. I specifically stated I would never support the legalization of a drug like heroin. Yes I get the differences in decriminalization and legalization and personally would be more towards the decriminalization as the first transitional step and you state that you would allow it for most drugs except heroin and maybe a few others. I don't think it's right to discriminate which drugs would be decriminalized if you are setting the precedent and example you must follow it and not make special exceptions that would accomplish nothing but allow the same problems to persist in a specific area of drugs because they were "too serious to decriminalize". PS: Going to bed now I'll be on tomorrow to respond to whatever comments may appear while I'm going thanks for all the discussion so far and I would appreciate it if you want to share your opinion and get in on the discussion. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On March 08 2012 12:19 AbstractVoid wrote: I would be careful with naive lol I don't think I'm youthfully innocent although I am only 17 as far as age I've been exposed to quite a few things already and that doesn't mean my future experiences won't include drinking or trying weed but as this present point I don't think it's a real possibility. As I said it's fine but I have goals for myself and would like to stick to them. lol trust, 17 is pretty young. It's nice you have that goal, like a lot of us did when we were 17 or so but 90% of the time your perception and views change a lot as you get older, especially once you go to college | ||
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EternaLLegacy
United States410 Posts
On March 08 2012 14:39 ArvickHero wrote: lol trust, 17 is pretty young. It's nice you have that goal, like a lot of us did when we were 17 or so but 90% of the time your perception and views change a lot as you get older, especially once you go to college Most people only hold those views because they're bludgeoned into them by their parents and society. Once they realize there's not a belt-wielding asshole dad waiting for them if they break the "rules" then they go nuts. OP is not like that. He has his legitimate reasons to not use narcotics and will continue to not use them for as long as he feels they're more detrimental than beneficiary. I was the same way when I was 17, and the only drugs I use are caffeine and alcohol. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On March 08 2012 14:39 ArvickHero wrote: lol trust, 17 is pretty young. It's nice you have that goal, like a lot of us did when we were 17 or so but 90% of the time your perception and views change a lot as you get older, especially once you go to college I love how people with a different view from you are immediately naive... I'm 24, never smoked cigarettes and never did any drugs. I drink like 1-2 times a year and never get drunk (a couple of beers max) and drink caffeine very rarely when I need to work on a project and I'm late. Am I still too young to hold my beliefs that I don't want to take drugs? I've been exposed to them every week and I know all about drugs (did 3 years in pharmacy) but I guess I'm just naive. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
my opinion on drug use is that it is unhealthy, unsafe, and in many cases supports directly the cartels which are responsible for the deaths of over 35,000 people in 4 years in the border cities of Mexico. What is the major problem about drugs? the major problem? their effect on society is terrible, and the monetary support of terrorists and murderers is a big part of it. Should drugs become legalized, If so why? i don't think they should become legalized. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:34 sc2superfan101 wrote: What is your opinion on drug use? my opinion on drug use is that it is unhealthy, unsafe, and in many cases supports directly the cartels which are responsible for the deaths of over 35,000 people in 4 years in the border cities of Mexico. What is the major problem about drugs? the major problem? their effect on society is terrible, and the monetary support of terrorists and murderers is a big part of it. Should drugs become legalized, If so why? i don't think they should become legalized. legalize them and your answers to question one and two are dealt with. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:47 Skilledblob wrote: legalize them and your answers to question one and two are dealt with. It would help the support for drug cartels but : 1) People will still be really fucking stupid when on drugs 2) People will still be addicted to drugs and it will still be unhealthy 3) Drug cartels will still find ways to make money (probably more violent ways including selling people for sex/slavery on a much larger scale than now and more/harsher drugs). People involved with cartels that suddenly stop bringing in money or buying drugs would be in a large amount of shit. But overall I don't think legalizing drugs would help much. Overall, more people would take them I believe. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
Of course people are going to act stupid and potentially get addicted - the same way they do with alcohol, tobacco, and prescribed drugs(legally prescribed that is). The main difference would be that they'd no longer cost the justice system billions, potentially bring in billions in tax revenue, and increase the safety of drugs since they wouldn't be made in basements anymore and would have to meet regulations like other products. And cartels will still try to make money in other areas, but this is still one less area for them to do that in, an area that probably brings in the most revenue for them. No reasonable person should suggest they would disappear, but they would be significantly weakened from the lack of funds. | ||
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