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AbstractVoid
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States127 Posts
March 08 2012 22:00 GMT
#61
On March 09 2012 06:07 Myles wrote:
It pretty much comes down to if you think criminalized drugs actually reduce use. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't, and that legalizing drugs would result in a negligible increase in use, as it's been shown in areas where decriminalization has already occurred.

Of course people are going to act stupid and potentially get addicted - the same way they do with alcohol, tobacco, and prescribed drugs(legally prescribed that is). The main difference would be that they'd no longer cost the justice system billions, potentially bring in billions in tax revenue, and increase the safety of drugs since they wouldn't be made in basements anymore and would have to meet regulations like other products.

And cartels will still try to make money in other areas, but this is still one less area for them to do that in, an area that probably brings in the most revenue for them. No reasonable person should suggest they would disappear, but they would be significantly weakened from the lack of funds.


I know the issue of would it increase or decrease drug use is a factor, but I believe data has shown that over time it decreases drug use by quite a bit and helps already addicted users find help.

People will find a way to do drugs whether they are legal or not, marijuana being illegal doesn't stop 30 percent of high school kids from using it.

Cartels are also a problem mainly because of their trafficking of drugs across borders and the incidents caused from doing so. Would they find other ways to make money? Maybe but I don't think it would raise human trafficking as you said because the demand for such services aren't expected to rise because of this at all. Their funding would be slashed and deaths would be avoided.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
March 08 2012 22:02 GMT
#62
On March 09 2012 07:00 AbstractVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 06:07 Myles wrote:
It pretty much comes down to if you think criminalized drugs actually reduce use. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't, and that legalizing drugs would result in a negligible increase in use, as it's been shown in areas where decriminalization has already occurred.

Of course people are going to act stupid and potentially get addicted - the same way they do with alcohol, tobacco, and prescribed drugs(legally prescribed that is). The main difference would be that they'd no longer cost the justice system billions, potentially bring in billions in tax revenue, and increase the safety of drugs since they wouldn't be made in basements anymore and would have to meet regulations like other products.

And cartels will still try to make money in other areas, but this is still one less area for them to do that in, an area that probably brings in the most revenue for them. No reasonable person should suggest they would disappear, but they would be significantly weakened from the lack of funds.


I know the issue of would it increase or decrease drug use is a factor, but I believe data has shown that over time it decreases drug use by quite a bit and helps already addicted users find help.

People will find a way to do drugs whether they are legal or not, marijuana being illegal doesn't stop 30 percent of high school kids from using it.

Cartels are also a problem mainly because of their trafficking of drugs across borders and the incidents caused from doing so. Would they find other ways to make money? Maybe but I don't think it would raise human trafficking as you said because the demand for such services aren't expected to rise because of this at all. Their funding would be slashed and deaths would be avoided.

I completely agree.
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Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#63
On March 09 2012 07:00 AbstractVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 06:07 Myles wrote:
It pretty much comes down to if you think criminalized drugs actually reduce use. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't, and that legalizing drugs would result in a negligible increase in use, as it's been shown in areas where decriminalization has already occurred.

Of course people are going to act stupid and potentially get addicted - the same way they do with alcohol, tobacco, and prescribed drugs(legally prescribed that is). The main difference would be that they'd no longer cost the justice system billions, potentially bring in billions in tax revenue, and increase the safety of drugs since they wouldn't be made in basements anymore and would have to meet regulations like other products.

And cartels will still try to make money in other areas, but this is still one less area for them to do that in, an area that probably brings in the most revenue for them. No reasonable person should suggest they would disappear, but they would be significantly weakened from the lack of funds.


I know the issue of would it increase or decrease drug use is a factor, but I believe data has shown that over time it decreases drug use by quite a bit and helps already addicted users find help.

People will find a way to do drugs whether they are legal or not, marijuana being illegal doesn't stop 30 percent of high school kids from using it.

Cartels are also a problem mainly because of their trafficking of drugs across borders and the incidents caused from doing so. Would they find other ways to make money? Maybe but I don't think it would raise human trafficking as you said because the demand for such services aren't expected to rise because of this at all. Their funding would be slashed and deaths would be avoided.



Also the only reason that things like Weed can be considered a gateway drug (more than anything like alcohol and cigarettes which are gateway drugs too) is because its illegal. I'm not saying that people are going to be less likely to try hard drugs when they start with something a little less potent, but I am saying there is a stigma with some illegal substances thats undeserved. Basically any positive experience with a substance could have a gateway affect on someone.

I'm in Intensive Outpatient Treatment (3 times a week) for Marijuana right now actually, and we watched a video on the stigma around addiction and treating addicts. Basically explained how Addiction classifies as a disease and Addicts should be patients not criminals. Video was called Pleasure Unwoven.

http://web.me.com/kevintmccauley/Pleasure_Unwoven/Home.html

Good stuff.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
AbstractVoid
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States127 Posts
March 08 2012 23:03 GMT
#64
On March 09 2012 07:09 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:00 AbstractVoid wrote:
On March 09 2012 06:07 Myles wrote:
It pretty much comes down to if you think criminalized drugs actually reduce use. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't, and that legalizing drugs would result in a negligible increase in use, as it's been shown in areas where decriminalization has already occurred.

Of course people are going to act stupid and potentially get addicted - the same way they do with alcohol, tobacco, and prescribed drugs(legally prescribed that is). The main difference would be that they'd no longer cost the justice system billions, potentially bring in billions in tax revenue, and increase the safety of drugs since they wouldn't be made in basements anymore and would have to meet regulations like other products.

And cartels will still try to make money in other areas, but this is still one less area for them to do that in, an area that probably brings in the most revenue for them. No reasonable person should suggest they would disappear, but they would be significantly weakened from the lack of funds.


I know the issue of would it increase or decrease drug use is a factor, but I believe data has shown that over time it decreases drug use by quite a bit and helps already addicted users find help.

People will find a way to do drugs whether they are legal or not, marijuana being illegal doesn't stop 30 percent of high school kids from using it.

Cartels are also a problem mainly because of their trafficking of drugs across borders and the incidents caused from doing so. Would they find other ways to make money? Maybe but I don't think it would raise human trafficking as you said because the demand for such services aren't expected to rise because of this at all. Their funding would be slashed and deaths would be avoided.



Also the only reason that things like Weed can be considered a gateway drug (more than anything like alcohol and cigarettes which are gateway drugs too) is because its illegal. I'm not saying that people are going to be less likely to try hard drugs when they start with something a little less potent, but I am saying there is a stigma with some illegal substances thats undeserved. Basically any positive experience with a substance could have a gateway affect on someone.

I'm in Intensive Outpatient Treatment (3 times a week) for Marijuana right now actually, and we watched a video on the stigma around addiction and treating addicts. Basically explained how Addiction classifies as a disease and Addicts should be patients not criminals. Video was called Pleasure Unwoven.

http://web.me.com/kevintmccauley/Pleasure_Unwoven/Home.html

Good stuff.


Yes the social "rebellious" attitude obviously contributes to teenage use of illegal substances and I know about the gateway effect. Also the idea you mentioned about treatment rather than punishment is the primary reason I would support this movement because we should help people instead of putting them in prison.
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