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United States33707 Posts
On February 28 2012 20:23 Tobberoth wrote:
Basically you're saying "I want a bad run-in-the-mill gaming keyboard". It's just really hard to give serious suggestions when you poop all over what makes keyboards good (being mechanical). I mean... if you want those rubber-shit keyboards, does it really matter? There's a million of them, just find one with a setup of keys you like and buy it, they are either cheap enough to buy a new one if you dislike it/it breaks, or expensive and totaly not worth it since they aren't mechanical anyway.
I would recommend the Steelseries G6v2... but since it's actually a good keyboard, you'd probably hate it.
you're not helping, don't be a dick on top of that
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Get the same keyboard and a usb adapter for the plug?
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On February 28 2012 21:25 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 20:23 Tobberoth wrote:
Basically you're saying "I want a bad run-in-the-mill gaming keyboard". It's just really hard to give serious suggestions when you poop all over what makes keyboards good (being mechanical). I mean... if you want those rubber-shit keyboards, does it really matter? There's a million of them, just find one with a setup of keys you like and buy it, they are either cheap enough to buy a new one if you dislike it/it breaks, or expensive and totaly not worth it since they aren't mechanical anyway.
I would recommend the Steelseries G6v2... but since it's actually a good keyboard, you'd probably hate it. Don't get it, it's not that good, if you get a mechanical you should go all out and get a really good quality one.
G6v2 is ridiculously cheap compared to most mechanical keyboards, yet has a really high standard (full nkro unlike the much more expensive Blackwidow for example). I'd recommend it to anyone who hasn't already used a ridiculously expensive one like a majestouch for a long time.
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My suggestion would be to buy it from Amazon, it's still available.
P.S: Don't be so picky, man. Reading you makes me remember OCD diagnostic criteria.
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Yes you are being way too picky. It's all very well using the same keyboard model for years and becoming accustomed to every single tiny little detail about it, but not only are you limiting yourself to that specific keyboard, but the truth is that if you gave yourself a few weeks with a new one I'm sure you could get used to, for example, a full sized Enter key.
I'm using a standard Microsoft wired keyboard that you can buy from any computer shop anywhere, and considering the real issues at hand, you should really consider just buying it and putting up with it until you get used to it.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Get a Topre.
![[image loading]](http://media.gdgt.com/img/product/18/eer/topre-realforce-103u-tx9-640.jpg)
Look at that Beauty!
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why on gods green earth would you need BOTH windows keys?
and why do you hate on mechanical keyboards? they're heavenly compared to membrane ones
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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+ Show Spoiler [For the mechanical religionists] +I've had a Filco with Browns for 18 months, and my UltraX was quieter, more tactile and let me type faster, at a fiteenth of the price if you count the former's S&H costs. Also, many seasoned geekhackers prefer Topre over mechanicals. Please shut up and read the OP now.
Consider the Illuminated (double-row Delete but otherwise good) or something else from here.
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On February 29 2012 00:23 T.O.P. wrote:Can't believe every commenter is posting shit about mechanical keyboard when the op posted he doesn't want a mechanical keyboard. http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/illuminated-keyboardI considered getting this keyboard before getting a mechanical. Too bad it's $80. BTW, if anyone can make a mechanical with 1.5-2.0mm travel distance. I'll be the first to buy.
Personally I find travel distance to be important for feeling. If the travel distance is too short, it feels like using an iphone on-screen keyboard, it gets harder to get a feel for exactly where the buttons are as you type quickly and aren't looking at the keyboard. If the keys are flat, it's many times worse. That said, too long distance can of course slow you down as well.
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Take a look at the Acer-0833. It violates a couple of your rules (No spacing for the F-keys, and it does have a function key, and only the left Windows key, though you *can* rebind the function key to be another Windows key if you want)
http://storeexpress.ecrater.com/p/12251516/acer-keyboard-ku-0833
I love the shit out of this keyboard. I made the switch to mechanical, and even still occasionally go back to it because it just eels so nice/responsive.
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I know someone that has similar restrictions as you and he uses a mac keyboard.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/B?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg
I get that might hesitate over this because youre flaming on the hipsterness of mech keyboards, and mac is mac, but this keyboard kind of has everything that you're looking for.
Absolutely must be wired USB
Must not have "macro" keys
Not chiclet keys (not enough tactile feedback with flat key surface)
Not mechanical keys (buckling spring, Cherry, or otherwise; they're all unfortunately too tall and the elitist attitude surrounding people insisting on them gets old)
Scissor switch mechanism (think of circa 2004-2006 laptop keyboards)
Single-row enter key
Both Windows keys must be present (left and right)
Context menu key (typically between Win and Ctrl on right side of keyboard) must be present
Must have numeric pad
Unmodified home key cluster (no double-row Delete, must have Insert key)
Unmodified PrintScreen/Scroll Lock/Pause row
Double-width (standard) Backspace key
Maximum height under 1"/25mm (stand a quarter on its edge -- it must be thinner than that)
Cannot flex significantly on keypresses
1-check
2-check
3-check
4-check
5-check (seriously, they do)
6-check
7-yep
8-nope
9-yep
10- yep (f keys can be modified depending on your software)
11-yep
12-check
13-jag
so 12/13 is pretty much as good as you're going to get, really. Here is a review of this keyboard, as set next to some keyboards, such as the das.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17687
I went through this whole rigmaroll because you seem to be very quick to dismiss all ideas that dont fit exactly in your niche :/ That being said, I feel that this will be the best fit for you. I personally don't have one, but I do know someone that uses it and loves it for its flatness and stability of keys. However, that being said, it is super duper hard to find a keyboard that fits into your specific niche.
http://ca.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3588#kf
That's another suggestion, but it might be a bit too outside of what you want.
GL with this, hope i've helped.
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On February 28 2012 22:54 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 21:25 Recognizable wrote:On February 28 2012 20:23 Tobberoth wrote:
Basically you're saying "I want a bad run-in-the-mill gaming keyboard". It's just really hard to give serious suggestions when you poop all over what makes keyboards good (being mechanical). I mean... if you want those rubber-shit keyboards, does it really matter? There's a million of them, just find one with a setup of keys you like and buy it, they are either cheap enough to buy a new one if you dislike it/it breaks, or expensive and totaly not worth it since they aren't mechanical anyway.
I would recommend the Steelseries G6v2... but since it's actually a good keyboard, you'd probably hate it. Don't get it, it's not that good, if you get a mechanical you should go all out and get a really good quality one. G6v2 is ridiculously cheap compared to most mechanical keyboards, yet has a really high standard (full nkro unlike the much more expensive Blackwidow for example). I'd recommend it to anyone who hasn't already used a ridiculously expensive one like a majestouch for a long time.
I have one myself and am extremely dissapointed. The first one I got, some of keys didn't work, then I got a replacement with faulty keys. I also don't like black switches :/ but that's just personal preference. However, it's still twice as good as a regular keyboard. I won't get anything else besides a mechanical keyboard in my life, the difference is like night and day.
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You must get mechanical. I looove my razer blackwidow. Only true gamers get mechanicals. trololol
Just kidding 
I highly recommend this one as far as performance and cost is concerned but unfortunately it has macro keys. However, the macro keys are actually different and very low, so you will not find them a hinderence. I happily used this for 2 years and it is still totally fine. Very sturdy keyboard. Also it is fully backlit:
Microsoft Sidewinder X4
![[image loading]](http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/_base_v1/products/sidewinder-x4-keyboard/gm_swx4_large.jpg)
I think it fits every single criteria apart from the macro keys and the optional wrist rest. But to be honest with you, I also didnt like wrist rests until I used this keyboard.
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Good luck on your quest to find a horrible piece of shit :D..
Seriously though I cant think of a single board that fits all of those extensive requirements, maybe lower the bar?
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On February 29 2012 00:23 T.O.P. wrote:Can't believe every commenter is posting shit about mechanical keyboard when the op posted he doesn't want a mechanical keyboard. http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/illuminated-keyboardI considered getting this keyboard before getting a mechanical. Too bad it's $80. BTW, if anyone can make a mechanical with 1.5-2.0mm travel distance. I'll be the first to buy.
I've been using this keyboard for a long time now... the double row delete is an annoyance now and then (otherwise it does seem close to what you're looking for imo).
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On February 29 2012 02:24 Psychobabas wrote:You must get mechanical. I looove my razer blackwidow. Only true gamers get mechanicals. trololol Just kidding I highly recommend this one as far as performance and cost is concerned but unfortunately it has macro keys. However, the macro keys are actually different and very low, so you will not find them a hinderence. I happily used this for 2 years and it is still totally fine. Very sturdy keyboard. Also it is fully backlit: Microsoft Sidewinder X4 I think it fits every single criteria apart from the macro keys and the optional wrist rest. But to be honest with you, I also didnt like wrist rests until I used this keyboard.
I don't have experience with the keyboard, but I have the microsoft sidewinder mouse. I'm on my 6th year with it and it's still going strong, no signs of breaking down whatsoever. So I can vouch for the sturdyness.
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Don't be turned off by elitist attitudes towards Mechanical keyboards.
Mech boards have been a Godsend for me, I have wrist issues from something that happened to me in the past and mechanical boards are the only ones I've found I can type on for hours without feeling soreness.
They do take some getting used to though.
The Razer Blackwidow only has 5 macro keys on the side, out of way and sight so they're not unbearable if you hate macro keys.
If you're like me and you type pretty hard then keyboards get worn away pretty damn fast.
Mechanical keyboards have been the only boards I can abuse by my typing style to survive over a year.
Honestly after getting used to type on a mech board, I couldn't ever go back to a regular rubber dome board.
If you have a bit of money try a board with opaque switches. Pretty pricey but by far the best Switches in the world. The keyboards that use them are a bit pricy and hard to find though.
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If you have a bit of money try a board with opaque switches. Pretty pricey but by far the best Switches in the world. The keyboards that use them are a bit pricy and hard to find though.[/QUOTE]
You mean topre right... In terms of the best switch in the world it all comes down to opinion, there is no clear winner in terms of best switch.
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On February 29 2012 03:26 NoctemSC wrote:
Honestly after getting used to type on a mech board, I couldn't ever go back to a regular rubber dome board.
The OP wants/uses scissors, not rubber domes.
Also, Topres are not mechanical, they are high-quality rubber domes.
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