EPTYou are not the savior of esports, sorry.
I Paid $20, why am I the Minority? - Page 3
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
You are not the savior of esports, sorry. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:14 Snuggles wrote: But I'm still against people who demanded a lower price before even trying out the product. Some people might not think of it as a new product and think that they tried it out before. I'll try to talk about burger because that seems to be popular : ) The Arena Event was not a new brand that I knew nothing of. In that case I might give the burger a try even if I feel it is slightly overpriced (BUT it seems to be counterintuitive as most new businesses tend to give their products away for a lower price to attract people.. in that regard sc2 and burger are just not comparable because most sc2 streams are free). But with this event I knew it was a mlg event. Doesn't matter if there was no open bracket and group stage, it's still mlg with everything I experienced before. Burger Prince or whatever company could say: we now have a new supplier for our salad which is now delicious x5. When I always felt that the bread/buns were too dry I will expect it to be dry and might not buy the burger no matter what the new salad tastes like. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On February 28 2012 03:00 BadBinky wrote: I wonder how many people bought MLG pass to "prove" they love Starcraft more than everyone else. loll so right. if MLG dies, someone else will arrange tourneys anyway. keep those ads comin i dont mind at all. PPV? GTFO. | ||
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qwertzi
111 Posts
i am in EU and have not the greatest internet connection, so i can simply not fully utilize all the benefits that is offered by buying the $20. it may be that the entire production might be worth $20, but if you can only watch like a 3rd of all games and not even in 1080p it is not worth $20 to me. id have loved to watch some games, but for only a couple $20 is too much. just another perspective, and possible explanation why some may have not bought the pass. | ||
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Acidosis
United States172 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
This being the internet, MLG is in competition with the convenience of having access to their product for free. Real world examples do not translate perfectly to that sort of online situation. A better example would be whether you'd want to cough up a cinema fee for the extra ambiance/presentation, or just watch it free when it airs on TV later. Only with the internet, 'later' = 'now'. | ||
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ziggurat
Canada847 Posts
On February 28 2012 03:44 ranshaked wrote: The reason why I will not pay 20 to see these online events are te same reasons why I will not pay to watch any sport or event. If I could go see te event live, then I'd pay 20. I think it's outrageous to pay 20 for a weekend of Starcraft. That is 1/3rd of the actual game. I'd rather spend 20 on a bottle of liquor or 20 to go see a band live. That's pretty reasonable, but if everyone feels that way then esports will never really be big. If people feel like watching an amazing sc2 tournament isn't worth that much, then there will never be much money in putting them on, and esports will always be small-time. And if people don't care enough about it to put down some money then it doesn't really deserve to be anything more. I think people have been spoiled by free content, to the point where they now feel like they deserve to get it free. This PPV tournament could be a first step to changing that mindset. Personally, I bought the pass. I didn't do it to "support esports", and I didn't do it to help anybody out. I just wanted to watch the games. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:40 ziggurat wrote: That's pretty reasonable, but if everyone feels that way then esports will never really be big. If esports relies on people making decisions they don't want to make, it's got bigger problems. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On February 28 2012 03:38 Snuggles wrote: Here's a fictitious scenario to better help you guys understand what I'm trying to get at. I'm in line with 3 other guys to buy a burger from a new burger joint. The burger is $6. + Show Spoiler + Guy A - Hmm $6 seems like a bit much, but I guess I'll try one. Me - $6 bucks huh, yeah it does seem kind of expensive. But I LOVE Burgers, I mean I usually get it for cheaper but who knows what this one might taste like. Plus they're just starting out, I'll consider my extra 2 bucks as tip. Guy B - Are you fucking kidding me? $6? Fuck this shit, why the fuck would you overcharge so much when I could get it cheaper? Everyone who buys this shit is a tool, I bet you'll be biting into a rat when you sink your teeth into that burger. I'm out. Guy C - Mmm $6 is a bit much for me, I'll pass. -------- After the meal Guy A - Wasn't too bad of a burger, there's definitely room for improvement. I'd most certainly buy it again at a slightly cheaper price. Me - Hmm not quite the $6 I thought it'd be. But hey I at least I had my favorite meal and did my part in their grand opening. Guy B - You guys are idiots, I'll just break into the restaurant later tonight and get some burgers for free. They should have just set up a stand on the street and handed them out. ---- 1 week later Guy C - Oh they brought it down to $4. Nice I think I'll get one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like Guy A and Guy C, but I'm upset with Guy B. I hope this clears things up. I'll reiterate until you guys understand. A more reasonable scenario is ------------------------------------------------------- New burger (Burger2) joint opens up right next to the current town favorite place (BurgerWay). Everyone - Hey, let's try out this new burger place! Look! The sign is neon and really big! And in the window there's a sign that says "We're much better than the place next to us! We're basically the same but improved in everyway! We're the perfect burger joint!" Everyone tries it. Guy A - I like this burger better than our regular place next door Guy B - I prefer our old burger place, BurgerWay Guy C - Why in gods name are they charging for this burger? Our old burger joint next door is free.. Me - Yea, this burger sucks in comparison anyway. Let's all go back to our old place next door. Burger2 uses corporate muscle to try and have our place shut down. They buy up the entire parking lot and tow anyone who isn't coming to their burger joint. They put up giant street signs and pay to have the current burger places' taken down. They rename the street leading to both shops "Burger2". The irony is that Burger2 only opened because BurgerWay was so successful. Plus, they stole BurgerWay's secret formula and tried to improve on it. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:14 Snuggles wrote: @ TheToast It's not a charity but at the same time how the hell are they going to keep providing content with consumers who have that kind of attitude? They're already struggling with the models they've been using the past year are they not? Yes $20 for 3 days online streams is unsustainable- I agree. But there certainly needs to be a change, and that change is going to come in the form of us paying for more. It's not easy to take the side of Pro PPV without being made out to be a charity promoter, because it's just that easy to do so. I have no problem with people taking the side of pro-PPV; but the attitude has to be that people should only pay for the product if they really want it. If someone isn't willing to spend more than $10, then they shouldn't spend more than $10. Why is it us who need to change and start paying more? Why can't MLG stop spending so much? How come TSL3 was able to operate so well without millions of dollars? The big huge live LAN events are great if people are willing to pay for them, but it's becoming clear that many are not. The audience is still to small and the industry outside of Korea just isn't ready for that big of a step. If you think about it, the foreign scene pretty much went from no esports to numerous giant events costing hundreds of thousands in 3 years. That's insane. The industry outside of Korean has had no time to develope or find a happy medium where they can be profitable and still offer good quality content. It's going to take a while, and--newsflash--some of the big tournaments are going to go belly up. The limited audience for esports can't support the 5 big tournaments in addition to other big name LANs like Dreamhack and Homestory, and all of the dozens of other tournaments and user streams. At any given time there are a multitide of tournaments competing for the attention of a limited pool of viewers. At the time I am righting this, there is a Go4SC2 cup, EWM Ro64, EU Playhem, NASTL match, and something called the GamCreds Cup all streaming. That 5 tournaments all competing for the same pool of viewers--trying to divide them 5 ways. That's unsustainable, and I think when some of these smaller tournaments fall to the wayside the industry will be much more successful. Image if NASTL had all 31801 stream viewers right now; that's the kind of audience that could actually build a very profitable company. Condensing has to happen, and when it does the industry is going to be much stronger. That's why, despite the fact that I love MLG and what they have done, I wouldn't be too sad to see them disappear. No one is making money right now, and charging people more isn't the answer. That's only going to lead to dividing an already divided view base even more. We need sustainability and stability in this industry about all else. The time of "growing esports" is over, now is the time for esports to show it can stand on its own legs; and I think we need to see some of these big tournaments drop off before we get to that point. | ||
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ziggurat
Canada847 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:41 Dfgj wrote: If esports relies on people making decisions they don't want to make, it's got bigger problems. What this PPV tournament demonstrates is that not everyone feels that way. A lot of people are willing to pay $20. I get the impression (hopefully) that the tournament was close enough to being profitable that sponsors will see that there's real money is this budding "industry". | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
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ziggurat
Canada847 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:42 TheToast wrote: No one is making money right now, and charging people more isn't the answer. That's only going to lead to dividing an already divided view base even more. We need sustainability and stability in this industry about all else. The time of "growing esports" is over, now is the time for esports to show it can stand on its own legs; and I think we need to see some of these big tournaments drop off before we get to that point. I think this is 100% backwards. The reason no one is making money is that everyone is giving their content away for free or almost free. Charging people more is the answer, because that is the only way a tournament can be profitable. MLG has taken the unprecedented stop of charging a price high enough that they might actually turn a profit. If it turns out well then it can only be a good thing for everyone trying to make a living from SC2. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On February 28 2012 03:04 bonifaceviii wrote: If you paid $20 simply to support esports, you are indeed part of a small and silly minority. Pretty much my thoughts. If you like the content enough to spend the money, no one is going to give you a hard time. If you bitch that other's aren't SUPPORTING ESPORTS like we're wealthy aristocrats with a pet project to dump money into, you should probably get off your high horse and realise most people think about the product their buying, not the uncertain future of it. It's up to the producers to make their product worth the price they're asking. You're speaking on behalf of producers, in a weird and stupid way. If a producer actually said what you were saying it would be completely laughable. Why aren't you buying my product? Don't you understand the importance of giving me money so I can continue to make it?? It's like a writer complaining that some people don't get his or her work... That's not a legitimate complaint. Sure there will always be someone willing to pay for anything no matter how low quality or inferior compared to alternatives, but that doesn't justify why everyone should be so frivolous with their money. Actually paying to watch a video game... That idea is ludicrous to everyone but the most hardcore of your audience. Most people wouldn't pay to watch real sports unless they were hardcore into it. Most people just watch whatever is on cable TV. When you ask people to pay for a product which is not very good/only worth watching if you're bored and have nothing better to do/don't want to look for something better to do, then yes, those people who pay for it are going to be a minority and that's how it should be. SC2, like BW, needs to be a game of passion driven by people who are willing to just barely get by to make it work. It's not big business yet, and might never be. | ||
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DanLee
Canada316 Posts
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icedragon
86 Posts
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Durso
United States51 Posts
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Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
I don't watch MMA (from what I've seen, the fighters tend to be pretty sloppy, or at least they look that way to me after 12 years of learning MMA myself). I've heard that it's overpriced, though. Same for movie theaters. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Zorrm
United States15 Posts
A broke college/HS student probably shouldn't, as there are much more important things in life. A guy that has the money and desire to watch it live, coupled with the time to actually watch it... I say why the f not. As I stated earlier, it is No different than any other PPV event. | ||
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