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On December 09 2011 05:03 fortheGG wrote:
Honestly I've only ever looked at those blogs (people saying they'll be pro) in the same way a child tells you he will be an astronaut, chances are they wont but just straight up saying they wont is douchey. Cheer up, raging over people writing those blogs just doesnt make sense.
The thing is with children is that they can't exactly waste time on their aspirations. They just dream about it and life goes on.
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Agree agree and agree.
Great blog GM, 5/5
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 06:45 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs. The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success. I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro.
This sounds pretty reasonable to me. Think about what it takes to sit down, at a computer, and say, "well I'm going to spend the next 30 minutes writing a blog post."
That's not what someone going pro would do. This is not what someone who has a passion for the game would do. Leave BoxeR alone with a computer for 30 minutes and what do you think he would do? If you answered "I think he would write a blog post" then you are wrong because he would instead be on the ladder pwning noobs or practicing micro or whatever it is BoxeR does to be BoxeR.
And it's not just BoxeR, either.
Here's a decent example: My icon is currently a siege tank. I have over 2,000 posts on TL. What does this indicate? It indicates that I like posting on TL. Spanishiwa is a drone. He has like 50 posts or some tiny post count like that. Most of them are signing up for tournaments, or related to his infamous no-gas ZvX guide.
You know why Spanishiwa is a drone? Because he doesn't give a dick about writing posts or blogs on TL. How many blog posts has Spanishiwa made? 0. And that number only goes down as you progress from GM/semi-pro players all the way up to professionals. It's literally true that Jinro has made a negative number of blog posts on TL.
Once somebody goes pro, and is living in a team house or doing his thing, maybe he'll make a sweet balling vlog or stop by and post a blog.
But most of the time? He doesn't care. He doesn't write a blog. He's got other priorities.
This is why blogs like GM's here are not hypocritical; they are nothing like the "I want to go pro" blogs because writing an "I want to go pro" blog is like eating an "I want to lose weight" happy meal. It's an action that subverts its name. Now, if you were to eat an "I think happy meals don't cause you to lose weight" happy meal, that would totally make sense.
This blog is that kind of happy meal.
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On December 09 2011 06:45 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs. The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success. I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro.
Truth.
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well said...
just ran into one of these "i dropped out of school for sc2 blogs"
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=292918
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On December 09 2011 06:45 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs. The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success. I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro.
I wouldn't say nobody. HuK's interview last year about "being the next boxer" was pretty unfounded and most people ridiculed the idea. Granted he was one of the top players in north america at the time, being at the forefront of a cesspool didn't say much. But he went out and did exactly that, went to korea and practiced harder than anyone to achieve what he has now.
It is rare though. While writing about going pro does mean you have interests in things other than the game, we don't all need to be NaNiwas and actively avoid anything outside of the game. Jaedong can do his crazy flailing arm dance, Polt goes to university and Tyler went to school during TSL2; any of these skills [to different extents] take up more of your life than writing a 30 minute blog.
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On December 09 2011 07:16 ShinyGerbil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:45 Chill wrote:On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs. The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success. I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro. I wouldn't say nobody. HuK's interview last year about "being the next boxer" was pretty unfounded and most people ridiculed the idea. Granted he was one of the top players in north america at the time, being at the forefront of a cesspool didn't say much. But he went out and did exactly that, went to korea and practiced harder than anyone to achieve what he has now. It is rare though. While writing about going pro does mean you have interests in things other than the game, we don't all need to be NaNiwas and actively avoid anything outside of the game. Jaedong can do his crazy flailing arm dance, Polt goes to university and Tyler went to school during TSL2; any of these skills [to different extents] take up more of your life than writing a 30 minute blog.
Being at the top of the NA ladder, while not much of accomplishment itself, is a whole lot more then most of these 'going pro' bloggers have done. If you're gold and writing about going pro, you need to reevaluate your outlook.
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If you already have a full time job or are a full time (high school) student, make sure you can make it into mid-high grandmaster before deciding "to go pro". Then, decide if it's worth putting your life on hold when the time comes.
If you have the passion to put SC2 ahead of your life in academics, arts or your professional life, and you already have the skills to be mid-high grandmaster, then you can be the next HuK.
Also, consider that lots of grandmasters and those at the top of their game decide to drop the game regularly or to not put this over school or work. That's because when you're up there and you can actually win tournaments and give lessons, you realize the payoff isn't as great as you thought it was.
The "is it worth it?" question is why only a handful of people go to Korea.
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5/5
Nailed it. Perfect summation of why people saying I'm going to go pro is ridiculous.
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This was a pleasurable read! I enjoyed it a lot! You may have shitty reflexes, but your writing is superb!
What I liked the most about this blog is that you can apply it to anything you're passionate about.
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I see these blogs a lot, and it pains me to know that people are sacrificing education et al. for this. It's definitely possible to get GM while not really sacrificing much (I made masters while playing maximum 10 hours a week, which is nothing even for someone who is a full time student), so to see people talk about how they are platinum and quitting school to get a job as a progamer saddens me a bunch.
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This deserves a spotlight or something. Every time I see someone in gold league drop out of school and say I'M GONNA GO PRO IT'S MY DREAM I die a little inside. I thought this was a great read. I think the example of Tyler in TSL 2 is great. He had been in school and working hard on getting his life together and he still dominated.
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On December 09 2011 04:42 Crais wrote:
5/5. Stay in school kids
Lol, you know that Leenock dropped out of school at around age 15-16 to play SC2 professionally? The more you know :O
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Katowice25012 Posts
I agree so much with that first quote. I'd wanted to make a blog like this for a long time but could never do it without sounding way too negative. Good job.
On December 09 2011 06:45 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs. The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success. I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro.
This sums it up more eloquent than I could put it. People like to think that the order is "decide to go pro -> practice -> be pro" but it's not like that at all. The order is "enjoy it a lot -> have to drive to get better -> maybe the opportunity to be pro presents itself" and even then it doesn't work out most of the time. Being pro, in many ways, is something that finds you rather than the other way around.
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Awesome blog. I am all for people trying to achieve their dreams, but people need to realize how hard it is and what it takes. Mod should spotlight this, or a TL writer should do a write up using this as a guideline.
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On December 09 2011 09:08 heyoka wrote:I agree so much with that first quote. I'd wanted to make a blog like this for a long time but could never do it without sounding way too negative. Good job. Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:45 Chill wrote:On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs. The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success. I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro. This sums it up more eloquent than I could put it. People like to think that the order is "decide to go pro -> practice -> be pro" but it's not like that at all. The order is "enjoy it a lot -> have to drive to get better -> maybe the opportunity to be pro presents itself" and even then it doesn't work out most of the time. Being pro, in many ways, is something that finds you rather than the other way around.
QFT, the do-ers actually are out DOING it, surprisingly, and the dreamers are here dreaming.
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On December 09 2011 09:07 EienShinwa wrote:Lol, you know that Leenock dropped out of school at around age 15-16 to play SC2 professionally? The more you know :O
But i also doubt that he just said you know what i'm going to drop out of school! to play SC2 I LOVE SC2
I bet it was a very difficult decision and he knew that once he made this decision he coulnd't turn back.
Also Leenock is very good. People making these blogs are people who are "High Diamond" or"High Masters, but i play GM all the time so its only a matter of time!"
People who use Ladder as an indication of skill which we all know is NOT true.
Edit* Leenock is still in school.
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It seems that every time I look in blogs I see another blog telling people to stfu with the "I'm gonna be a pro!" blog. I agree with them all but... do we have to keep making these? XD
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United States1719 Posts
On December 09 2011 09:07 EienShinwa wrote:Lol, you know that Leenock dropped out of school at around age 15-16 to play SC2 professionally? The more you know :O
wrong
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I'm still waiting for someone to prove me wrong but: 100% of people who make a blog about going pro will fail. It's too easy to admire someone who loves the game and think they're capable of it because sc2 is a game that seemingly (may be true) little to none natural talent. (I know what you're thinking. Don't respond saying that.) In reality, you don't need to be top 5. You don't need to be top 10. You could make a living by being top 50, it's arguable that you could make a living by being top 100. However also in reality, you'll live a pretty shitty life if you're anything out of top 16. People still don't understand that the life of the gamer sucks hard. They essentially work overtime every day, have no substantial influence in real life, and get paid like a janitor, low end cook or high school teacher. They'll be forced to retire before the time they're 40, and by then they'll be outmatched for any job imaginable by someone 20 years younger than them.
The TRUE upcoming pros aren't on teamliquid. They're not reading the strategy guides. They're not watching every tournament. They don't keep up with reddit. They're playing the game.
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