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awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 22:18:19
December 09 2011 22:16 GMT
#81


Well, if the kids won't listen to a blogger on TL, maybe they will listen to a pro. Skip to 22:00 minutes from someone who has lived the "dream".

Great blog. Only the people who didn't read the whole damn thing (or are too young to know anything about life) will think this is about killing dreams.
I'm a noob
motumbo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States130 Posts
December 10 2011 00:58 GMT
#82
I really don't think you are qualified in any way at all to talk about going pro. Have you gone pro in Starcraft 2 or any other game? Most likely not. If you have any sort of qualifications that would make your opinion on going pro have any truth behind it, please shed some light. Otherwise this blog is a joke.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
December 10 2011 01:43 GMT
#83
On December 10 2011 09:58 motumbo wrote:
I really don't think you are qualified in any way at all to talk about going pro. Have you gone pro in Starcraft 2 or any other game? Most likely not. If you have any sort of qualifications that would make your opinion on going pro have any truth behind it, please shed some light. Otherwise this blog is a joke.

Believe it or not, knowing how to do something is not the same as being able to do it. I know what it *takes* to go pro, I just don't meet the requirements.

A real life example, you might know, more or less, how to make a souffle, but chances are you aren't actually capable of cooking one without burning it horribly, or capable of making it raise, but if you see someone trying to make a souffle with only lettuce, butter, a spatula and a flamethrower, I think you can confidently tell that person that they should give up on making a souffle.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:06:16
December 10 2011 05:03 GMT
#84
On December 10 2011 09:58 motumbo wrote:
I really don't think you are qualified in any way at all to talk about going pro. Have you gone pro in Starcraft 2 or any other game? Most likely not. If you have any sort of qualifications that would make your opinion on going pro have any truth behind it, please shed some light. Otherwise this blog is a joke.


On December 10 2011 06:12 vaderseven wrote:
I wasted my time for about 5 years playing music games for 8-14 hours a day and working shitty jobs so I could afford the gas to drive to the regional tournaments. I did well enough but I was not the best at events that could attract people from an area of say 15 states.

Thats the mindset that does make you pro. Passion and desire that leads you to doing what you want to do most regaurdless of results.

I think one year I made a bit over 3k in winnings at events which prolly put me in the close to tip top bracket. There was about 4 players that made over 30k a year in winnings and that would be the group above where I was.


GM is spot on.

I can safely say that when I check some of the old score trackers that the high level rhythm scene used and I see my name is STILL at the top of some things after 4+ years of not having entered a score that I was at the 'professional' level for that genre of games.

Yes it takes this level of devotion and no you can't really just choose to get that good.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 18:09:47
December 10 2011 15:45 GMT
#85
Here's another example to back up GM's argument. This time it comes from one of the greatest SC players of all time, Flash:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129095

The relevant part:

Q: Did your parents worry that you would become addicted?
-Of course they were very concerned. But this game was just too interesting. Even after cram school, when I get home at 11pm I would still play. There’s a 10 minute break in cram school, and I would always run to a PC Bang and play a round. I used mealtimes for Starcraft too. I think it’s because I love Starcraft so much that I became better and better. It seems I played 3-5 hours every day.

The summer break that changed his life

During the summer break of his first middle school year, Flash decided to become a progamer, and he told his parents “I want to use a month of my break to go to Seoul and live in a practice house, and officially begin studying Starcraft.”

“In the beginning, my parents strongly opposed me. I begged them and said ‘I will get progamer status in a month. If I can’t, I’ll give it up.’ My parents accepted this condition. But even though I promised this, I was unsure if I could do it.”

And so, from his home in Daejoon, he used this summer break to move to Seoul and began his life practicing. Miraculously, he successfully achieved progamer status in a month. The speed at which his abilities increased was astonishing. But on the day he achieved his progamer status, he was stopped in the Ro4 of the offline prelims. But his parents decided that he could attain success as a progamer. In 2007, in the third year of middle school, he joined KTF MagicNs. He was only 15.

Even though Flash managed to get pro status and join KTF in only a month, it doesn’t mean it’s easy to become a progamer. Right now, there are still countless kids with progamer dreams training in practice houses. Even in KT, there are on average 5-10 kids with progamer dreams who’ll come to be tested every day. The other teams are about the same.

Q: We’ve heard that progamers regularly go through immense practice schedules. How long do you practice on average?
-Progamers all live in dorms close to the practice house. We get up at 10:30, and get to the practice house after breakfast at around 11. Because of this, we wait till 3pm before eating lunch. From 4pm-8pm, we continue practicing, and then it’s dinner time. Players on the A team have free time after this, and we can choose to practice or not, but most people will stay to practice until 11pm.

This approximates to 10 hours of practice per day, which is around 3600 hours per year. Flash joined the team 3 years ago, and before that, he would practice for 5-8 hours a day, so he has spent over 10000 hours on Starcraft.

The 10000-hour rule

We are suddenly reminded of the “10000-hour rule.” Someone said it in a book: To achieve world-class mastery in a disciple, at least 10000 hours are required. [T/N: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)]

Q: Is it tiring practicing 10+ hours a day?
-You need to manage yourself well. To maintain my health and strength, I need to eat 6 kinds of supplements right now. Ginsengs, vitamins, and other stuff too. I also have a pretty healthy body to start with, otherwise I’m sure I would get sick often.

Q: Is long-term Starcraft more damaging to the body? Even more difficult than studying?
-There are some pretty difficult times, but I still think it’s fun.

Q: Do you have weekends?
-No. We can rest a day after a major game. Our break schedule is a bit different from the norm.

Q: Then it seems like you won’t even have time to see your girlfriend after becoming a progamer. Why do you need to maintain this intense practice schedule?
-We need to give up a lot. We need to give up everything that belongs to ourselves, only then can you becomes rank 1, 2. I too gave up everything before coming here. I haven’t even thought about getting a girlfriend. I don’t even see my friends often, only occasionally during holidays. Every day is practice.

Q: Isn’t that boring?
-Even so, I still really enjoy what I do. It’s hard to express in words the joy you get from a win. Especially when the fans cheer for me, that really makes me glad.


Here's the standard all aspiring pros should be measuring themselves against. This is a shining example of what it takes to excel in Starcraft (or any skill).
I'm a noob
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
December 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#86
I just wish people would change the title from 'i want to go pro!' to 'i want to get as good as possible!' so much better have an open ended goal and just play for the heart of the game. Almost anyone I know who is the BEST at what they do play for the heart of the game and winning just kind of comes with it
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 16:28:29
February 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#87
On February 08 2012 16:36 Weirdkid wrote:
This article was translated from http://sc2clan.tw/f/viewtopic.php?t=14547.
(A MKP interview)

Q: We frequently hear that the Korean progamers have really astounding practice hours. How long do you usually practise in a day?
A: Actually, Korean programers really do practise for very long hours. Take me for example, probably apart from eating and sleeping, my remaining hours are spent on practising!
Editor: Woah. That means you probably have to practise up to 8-10 hours everyday...!
MKP: 8 hours?... Nope. More like about 18 hours! (laughs)

Q: Your practice times are so long. What types of practice do you do?
A: My practice is mainly on the ladder. Afterall, you are already able to meet really strong players on the Korean ladder. Other than that, there are times when I will be practising with my team mates, and the coach will also discuss some strategies with us as well as carry out some tabletop simulations for training. When there is the chance, we also frequently interact with other teams, like IM, oGs, MVP, StarTale etc. Most of us are really very good friends in private.

Adding this here because its relevant. (From this thread)
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kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 17:23:36
February 21 2012 17:21 GMT
#88
On December 09 2011 04:19 GMarshal wrote:
That aside, let us assume for a second that you, Mr." I'm going pro", have the insane passion and work ethic it takes to play at the highest level, lets say you are the kind of massochist who enjoys laddering for the sake of laddering, that isn't enough. Instead of writing that idiotic blog about how you are "going to go pro" you should be at Masters and looking for a team and figuring out how to train properly. Much like an athlete, you can't just practice what you are going to be doing at the tournament by yourself, you need a training regime, with specific practice plans and a group of people to support you in doing so. This means you have to be able to talk to people, like a normal human being, schedule practice, and then work through practice. This means, more of the "work ethic" I mentioned above, that is, you need to sit down and for six, seven hours, practice getting bunker rushed, or six pooled, or two base roach rushed. This is painful and boring, it is a sacrifice for getting better. So, not only do you need to have the work ethic and passion to ladder and find a team (which needs to be as dedicated as you are, no "Nexus war" team is going to be able to help you here), you also need to sit there and actually grind things out, which means you will have to help your teammates grind things out, which is more "wasted time" that doesn't count as practice.


What is a proper training regime? Can anyone give examples? I'm a player working to be a Masters in KR. I ladder all day there after my schoolwork and other obligations, and if I'm not busy with family, friends, school, etc. and analyze my own replays and compare what I did to pro replays, x hours for pro replays, the rest laddering and watching my own replays. I assume that training involves practice partners but I don't have a clan or practice partners I can just call up when they're online.

Is there a training regime based on pure ladder, or are practice partners really an unavoidable necessity?
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
Capulet
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada686 Posts
February 22 2012 01:03 GMT
#89
I think this thread needs to be sticky in the blogs section and have a warning sign to anyone wanting to post a "go pro" blog to read this first.

Honestly, it's tremendously difficult to go pro (in anything for that matter). Every once in a while the stars will align and you will get a candidate who is talented, driven, and passionate only to end up warming the benches as a practice partner for B-teamers. That is the reality. If you've spent an entire season playing and you're still in diamond or whatever, the stars have not aligned for you. You will never make it.
"I'm just killing the spiders to save the butterflies... Wanting to save both is a contradiction. What would you rather do? Keep deliberating? The butterfly will be eaten in the meantime."
noobcakes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
February 22 2012 07:33 GMT
#90
You guys should add those excerpts to the main page!
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 26 2015 01:11 GMT
#91
lol. talk to me after you've done nothing but practice eat and exercise past 15 hours a day...multiple days in a row.
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