EPTSo you want to go pro? - Page 4
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On December 09 2011 09:07 EienShinwa wrote: Lol, you know that Leenock dropped out of school at around age 15-16 to play SC2 professionally? The more you know :O you just made yourself look stupid. | ||
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
Why is that? edit: my dog looks like your dog ^_^ is that a pom? | ||
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DreamChaser
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Jemesatui
Australia94 Posts
Why the fuck would you use kids as an example of people not understanding what it means to become pro. Almost every fucking kid on the planet with a dream doesn't and won't know what it takes to achieve this dream until they start chasing it. That's what makes the kids who make it, and those who don't - the ones who grind through the challenges and endure whatever necessary. You make going pro sound like a royal pain in the ass, and not fun at all. But some kids just fucking love this game, like other kids love playing sports, and will play more than someone else who's chasing the dream, and will improve faster and before you know it, they're on the road to being pro. You make some (obvious) yet valid points about it being hard work(no shit) and kids not knowing what it takes (no shit). All I got out of it was whinge whinge whinge, I don't like reading blogs about people wanting to go pro, and some more whinging User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:43 kainzero wrote: i kinda cringe when people who want to quit school and go pro are not as good as people with full-time jobs who play just to mess around Yeah me to tbh. It seems like the dream job and all but if you are in bronze/silver while in school and you are debating on dropping out of school to go pro you won't make it xD. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Did you even read what Chill wrote? There is a difference between playing the game because it's fun and making a job out of it. Doesn't mean they are anywhere near going to pro. There's a certain skill set as I pointed out before and hard work is only a small fraction of it. Let's be realistic. I could separate the pro's into five divisions right now as we speak. If you ever do get into GM. That's when the real work starts and many players will peak by the time that happens. The skills I listed go chronologically when you are assessing a prospect. When you are assessing the pros the pyramid gets flipped upside down. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 09 2011 11:28 Jemesatui wrote: Terrible thread. Just because you lack the raw talent to achieve a high level in any 'physical activity'( for the purpose of this argument, sc2 is a physical activity' doesn't mean you should come here and bitch about how it frustrates your under achieving self. Why the fuck would you use kids as an example of people not understanding what it means to become pro. Almost every fucking kid on the planet with a dream doesn't and won't know what it takes to achieve this dream until they start chasing it. That's what makes the kids who make it, and those who don't - the ones who grind through the challenges and endure whatever necessary. You make going pro sound like a royal pain in the ass, and not fun at all. But some kids just fucking love this game, like other kids love playing sports, and will play more than someone else who's chasing the dream, and will improve faster and before you know it, they're on the road to being pro. You make some (obvious) yet valid points about it being hard work(no shit) and kids not knowing what it takes (no shit). All I got out of it was whinge whinge whinge, I don't like reading blogs about people wanting to go pro, and some more whinging What does whinge mean most of those blogs are really fucking boring and it becomes immediately apparent that these individuals are nowhere near prepared to dedicated the time necessary to play at a high level. the blog section is oversaturated with these dime-a-dozen "progress" blogs by bad players who are deluding themselves about becoming pro | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There was a study done (I don't remember the source but I'm sure someone does) that people who tell everyone about their goals are far less likely to accomplish them. If you want to get good shut up and practice. By making the blogs about your progress you're wasting time and also giving yourself an excuse not to play as much as you get the good feeling you'd normally work very hard to get through practice simply by talking about it. This is pretty much the reason for every blog in existence. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:35 shindigs wrote: This is pretty much the reason for every blog in existence. it feels good to make up some project idea then plan it out and talk about it and get positive attention work doesn't feel nearly as good it's common sense i guess | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:35 shindigs wrote: This is pretty much the reason for every blog in existence. Uhhhh, no? Blogs can be inspiring, informative, ironic or just generally interesting. The best blogs teach us something, or give something interesting to talk about, or make us think. Sure its great to get praise for what you write, but to say that the majority of blogs are written with that intent is sad. | ||
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hersenen
Belize176 Posts
In the SC2 community if a kid says he wants to be a professional sc2 player, the forum netizens will reply "LOL seriously? If u said u want 2 be pro u already wont EVAR be a pro. You have to love this game LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. And you have too be super naturally talented! What are you bronze league? Get the fuck out." In reality Basketball/Football/etc requires more "natural talent" than sc2, not everyone can be 6'4" with a bulky frame. Stop being arrogant condescending pricks to people with a dream, most know they will never be a pro but that doesn't mean they should give up before they even try. And lastly, I think a ton of pro athletes wanted to be pro athletes when they were kids, and that's why they succeeded, because they knew it was a hard goal they practiced even more than someone doing it as a neat side hobby. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
edit : if anything Starcraft is a little like chess (lifewise i mean, not game wise) even chess players have a better life than pro gamers playing a video game as a work is really a pain in the ass one could even consider top pro gamers quite mindfucked | ||
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sN-Baloo
France19 Posts
Mozart labored for more then ten years until he produced any work that we admire today. Before then, his compositions were not that original or interesting. Actually, they were foten patched-together chunks taken from other composers. Muhammed Ali failed the physical measurements that boxer experts relied on. he had great speed but he didn't have the physique of a great fighter, he didn't have the strength and he didn't have the classical moves. He just had the mind. Just because some people can do something with little or no training, it doesn't mean that orther's can't do it ( and sometimes do it even better ) with training. cf : Mindset So please stop acting like you care about all this blogs saying " I go pro ". And stop trying to look smart by saying " meh go back to school stupid punk " | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
You want to talk about mindset? On December 09 2011 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There was a study done (I don't remember the source but I'm sure someone does) that people who tell everyone about their goals are far less likely to accomplish them. If you want to get good shut up and practice. By making the blogs about your progress you're wasting time and also giving yourself an excuse not to play as much as you get the good feeling you'd normally work very hard to get through practice simply by talking about it. That sums up almost every girl/going pro blog on this site. Good players do; they don't busy themselves with talking about it. A lot of the guys who left comments here are speaking from experience. We know what it takes. It doesn't hurt when you can smell crap from a mile away either. | ||
Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On December 09 2011 17:06 hersenen wrote: In a normal community if a kid says he wants to be a professional basketball player, most people will reply "Good luck, it takes a lot of work, it's smart to have a backup plan." and the kid will reply "thanks, yeah I know." In the SC2 community if a kid says he wants to be a professional sc2 player, the forum netizens will reply "LOL seriously? If u said u want 2 be pro u already wont EVAR be a pro. You have to love this game LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. And you have too be super naturally talented! What are you bronze league? Get the fuck out." In reality Basketball/Football/etc requires more "natural talent" than sc2, not everyone can be 6'4" with a bulky frame. Stop being arrogant condescending pricks to people with a dream, most know they will never be a pro but that doesn't mean they should give up before they even try. And lastly, I think a ton of pro athletes wanted to be pro athletes when they were kids, and that's why they succeeded, because they knew it was a hard goal they practiced even more than someone doing it as a neat side hobby. Are we talking kids 16-20? Because that's the age range of kids "going pro". If someone that age said he was going to be a professional NHL player without AAA skills, nobody would have that reaction, they would tell him to keep it a hobby and to focus on school. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
On December 10 2011 03:06 sN-Baloo wrote: Mozart labored for more then ten years until he produced any work that we admire today. Before then, his compositions were not that original or interesting. Actually, they were foten patched-together chunks taken from other composers. Muhammed Ali failed the physical measurements that boxer experts relied on. he had great speed but he didn't have the physique of a great fighter, he didn't have the strength and he didn't have the classical moves. He just had the mind. Just because some people can do something with little or no training, it doesn't mean that orther's can't do it ( and sometimes do it even better ) with training. cf : Mindset So please stop acting like you care about all this blogs saying " I go pro ". And stop trying to look smart by saying " meh go back to school stupid punk " This has nothing to do with this thread at all. You are arguing that "People who don't fit into the mold can still be progamers." That's great, I agree, but that's not what's being discussed. We are arguing that "If you can't get to be top tier as a hobby, don't make it your profession. Announcing that you're doing it is actually detrimental to your success." | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
my concern is that if they put in a lot of time and are lesser ranked than someone who only puts in 30 minutes a day or even 2 hours a week, i think that it's not the quantity of time they're putting but how they're using the time they have. quitting your job or school to pursue this inefficiency is baffling. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I wasted my time for about 5 years playing music games for 8-14 hours a day and working shitty jobs so I could afford the gas to drive to the regional tournament. I did well enough but I was not the best at events that could attract people from an area of say 15 states. Thats the mindset that does make you pro. Passion and desire that leads you to doing what you want to do most regaurdless of results. I think one year I made a bit over 3k in winnings at events which prolly put me in the close to tip top bracket. There was about 4 players that made over 30k a year in winnings and that would be the group above where I was. The truth is if you are making a blog about going pro you are prolly into it for othee reasons besides playing the game. I am beyond jealous of the sc2 pros because they were in love with the better game as far as payoff goes. Its like marrying for love or marrying for money/looks. Which do you think is easier to put your time into? Love the game and not the fame and money. If you can't do that it should be obvious and you shouldn't throw away other paths in life to chase some fantasy of parties and games. I wistfully wish I had met the mistress of sc back in say 2003 because I am one that can love a game enougg. At this point in my life, with a full time job and a wife, it really is a pipe dream to shot for the top. Ask yourself before you make a blog: have you ever played 40 games in one day, woke up the next day, called in sick to work just so you could play more right now, all while wshing you didnt have to sleep so you xould have played more the night before? No? The don't try to tell me you know passion. Great blog, thought it would miss the mark at first but you nailed it. 5/5 | ||
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