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On December 09 2011 04:29 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 04:27 Athos wrote:
I don't think you shouldn't have dreams of going pro just because it's a very hard dream to do. Having such a dream can inspire individuals to work harder, and in this case improve at the game. So what if it's an unlikely dream, the decision to go pro is only a real decision when you are good enough to be in that position. Yes I understand that the individual might spend a lot of time pursuing a goal that might be out of his reach, but it doesn't mean he didn't learn a hell of a lot of Starcraft trying. I have absolutely nothing against chasing your dreams, but 1.) Know what you are getting into 2.) Don't write a blog about something you haven't done yet, for the sake of writing a blog
It goes way beyond hard work. I used to manage, scout and train prospects in BW. Lucky for me, I was very fortunate in this endeavor.
What did I look for in a player?
- Mechanics: In Kung Fu the horse stance is your foundation. It's the first thing you need to learn. Likewise, mechanics are just as important in RTS. Without good mechanics you won't go anywhere.
- Growth: How fast are they improving/adapting?
- *Age: The younger the better.
(Not so much a liability in SC2 anymore; however, younger players are still maturing and they have more room for growth. Thus, more time is needed to make an assessment on their abilities.)
- Intuition/star sense/reaction speed: They are all apart of the same family; however, they act slightly different. When I finally get to writing my editorial I'll elaborate further.
- Raw Skill/Talent: This is the most important, but it takes the smallest piece of the pie. This is what differentiates the very good players from the top ones and this is where a pro scout comes in. To the naked eye it's very hard to calculate whether or not a prospect has this ability especially when they are very young. Most people don't realize how good these players are until they mature and start winning events left and right.
Anyway, I will write something more about this soon and use different players as examples to show where they excel and where some of them might falter.
With that said, being a pro gamer is no easy task and I highly recommend the casuals and newcomers to continue to play in their off-time and not to take school/work off to pursue a pro gamer career unless they excel at a rapid pace. Even then, finding an amateur/semi-pro team isn't that difficult. Baby steps. You have to learn how to crawl before you can walk.
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On December 09 2011 05:15 flamewheel wrote:
GM so cute~
Happy Birthday <3
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Why can't anyone be like Artosis?
Work -> Tournament coming up -> Quit job and practice hardcore
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I really liked the style of your writing. It flowed really well. I think you got exactly what you wanted to get across here. I definitely agree with you too on the whole subject. Man just man were those arguments put together well.
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Nowadays I feel like if you even want to THINK about going pro (as in dropping your ability to support yourself) you have to be at LEAST top 8 Masters (with an MMR that's placing you against Grandmaster players) or be in Grandmaster League. Even then it's a significant gamble.
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On December 09 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't anyone be like Artosis?
Work -> Tournament coming up -> Quit job and practice hardcore
Few people know how to practice as effectively as Artosis... and why he may not PLAY 8+ hours of SC2 per day, her likely does watch/analyze 8+ hours of SC2 per day. It's his job!
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Great blog,I would even be perfectly ok with it if you had just left the title as it is and than just wrote:"Don't do it." in the blog.
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On December 09 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't anyone be like Artosis?
Work -> Tournament coming up -> Quit job and practice hardcore
im pretty sure only artosis could be like artosis  and unique as his talents might be im pretty sure you could argue that he never had what it took to become a successful progamer-- (depending on how you define such)
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On December 09 2011 05:45 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't anyone be like Artosis?
Work -> Tournament coming up -> Quit job and practice hardcore im pretty sure only artosis could be like artosis and unique as his talents might be im pretty sure you could argue that he never had what it took to become a successful progamer-- (depending on how you define such)
It's true. I've never seen someone so passionate about Starcraft than him. The guy took a job in Korea without speaking Korean just to get a chance to be involved in the scene.
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Honesty employed.
Dreams destroyed.
GG GMarshal...gg
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If you're goal is to become a PG, that's fine. Don't forget your education though.
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I want to try putting in that much time sometime but I have school. 
Once I'm done with it, I'm playing lots of SC2!
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To be a top player in Starcraft, you need so much more than skill. You have to be ready and willing to practice relentlessly, live and breathe the game, travel constantly, sacrifice friend/family/girlfriend relationships and after all of that, perform at the highest level when everything is on the line.
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On December 09 2011 05:51 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:45 nttea wrote:On December 09 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't anyone be like Artosis?
Work -> Tournament coming up -> Quit job and practice hardcore im pretty sure only artosis could be like artosis and unique as his talents might be im pretty sure you could argue that he never had what it took to become a successful progamer-- (depending on how you define such) It's true. I've never seen someone so passionate about Starcraft than him. The guy took a job in Korea without speaking Korean just to get a chance to be involved in the scene.
And now he's the second best non Korean sc2 caster, truly a story for others to take as inspiration.
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You are my HerO.....
5/5!!!
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"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs.
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Great write up GM, I'd agree with everything you said. <3
EDIT: nice quote added in : )
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On December 09 2011 06:15 fortheGG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:51 Chill wrote:On December 09 2011 05:45 nttea wrote:On December 09 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't anyone be like Artosis?
Work -> Tournament coming up -> Quit job and practice hardcore im pretty sure only artosis could be like artosis and unique as his talents might be im pretty sure you could argue that he never had what it took to become a successful progamer-- (depending on how you define such) It's true. I've never seen someone so passionate about Starcraft than him. The guy took a job in Korea without speaking Korean just to get a chance to be involved in the scene. And now he's the second best non Korean sc2 caster, truly a story for others to take as inspiration.
The thing is, you can't emulate passion. Artosis never did anything about Starcraft for anyone but himself. You can't take it as inspiration because if you don't already feel that passion, you can't copy it, you can only admire and respect it.
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On December 09 2011 06:20 ShinyGerbil wrote:
"You can't go pro" blogs are quickly becoming the new "I wanna go pro!" blogs. Yes It's one of the hardest things to achieve, but it is possible. Even the current pros weren't always amazing at the game. If a 13 year old ret or IdrA posted an "I wanna go pro!" blog, would you rally all of TL to shit on him for his unrealistic goal? Of course it takes years to be good or even proficient at anything in life, starting from the very beginning. If someone thinks they can do it in less than this they are delusional, but every journey has to start somewhere.
If you are tired of these blogs, don't read them. Personally I prefer their chutzpah over whiny girl blogs.
The point is that people capable of going pro don't write anything until they're in striking distance. Just like literally any other famous person. Nobody writes "I'm going to be the best at this" and then goes out and accomplishes it. They just have a passion for something and then that passion, through hard work, turns to success.
I'd even make the unfounded argument that if you write a going pro blog then you have a passion for success and fame, not a passion for Starcraft, thereby already making it impossible for you to go pro.
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