• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:56
CEST 18:56
KST 01:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting4[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)72Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
The New Patch Killed Mech! TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Ladder Impersonation (only maybe) Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Tenacious Turtle Tussle WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw BW caster Sayle ASL20 General Discussion [ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B [ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1047 users

Camping and female friends.

Blogs > AXygnus
Post a Reply
Normal
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 20:11:19
November 18 2011 20:08 GMT
#1
A female friend of mine, yesterday, asked me to go to this festival on our Easter holidays. We would need our own tents and stuff, but that's not a problem. The thing is that if we go, it would probably be us two alone, and that'd be really awkward, especially given a small fun story that happened last year...


I met her 2 years ago or so, but only started talking with her last year and we got along pretty darn fine. Thing is, as I got to know her better, I started liking her, a LOT. I would do anything to be with her back then, to be honest, but I never did say anything because I was too timid to even suggest a date. Until one day, I was really down (my best bro and I had a falling out, since he started talking shit about her and I didn't like it one bit), she kept trying to get me to talk, and shit just spilled out; I told her I liked her. She told me she wasn't interested in me, at least to that degree and everything was fine for a while.

It started making me more depressed day after day, in a vicious cycle. Everything started going down, my grades, started getting more seclusive... Although I still talked to her, trying to hide it, even though she started getting farther and farther away emotionally, but nonetheless trusted me. Until that same bro came to my house one day and told me I had to talk to her, since I couldn't keep on being depressed and crying for days on end because of a crush. And when I did, all hell broke loose: she was yelling at me there was nothing to talk about and to leave her alone. I was devastated, until I gave it some thought: I mean, if she didn't even give me a chance to talk about it, she didn't really consider me as a friend of hers and probably isn't someone you'd like to hang out with. I spent the summer holidays rather well, although her image popped in my mind sometimes.

Fastforward to September. I was still hurt by it and didn't even talk to her, not even a single "Hi.", even though she tried to do smalltalk and rebuild our friendship. One day she grabbed me by the the arm and straight-forwardly asked me if I was still hurt by what had happened last time we had talked. I said yes, she tried to explain her actions that day, but I gestured a "Shut up and let me talk", saying if we would have that talk, it'd have to be in another place, not with people around, and with a lot of free time. Because I wasn't gonna have it. She apologized and I accepted it, even though I still resented her.

Fastforward to last Tuesday. I was just walking home with her, talking like we used to before everything started. We had just left a common friend's house, we had lunch there. Out of nowhere, she asks me to look at her and said "Now.". Obviously I didn't get it at first time, but I think you can guess what she meant, she wanted to talk about what had happened. and so we talked, no problems, and everything was fine after, no problems, or so I think.



Which brings us to yesterday. I was talking to her in-between classes, and she just asked me if I wanted to go to this festival during summer break. I said I was ok with it, asked some logistics. The thing is, we'd have to sleep in the same tent and, well, it could get awkward. She told me there was no problem with her (except that I could end up on top of her literally, since I move a lot during sleep >_>). But given what had happened last year, the memory of what happened still is a bit recent in my mind, so I'm not so sure about going... But I don't want her to miss out on something that she wants to do just because of the past, not to mention I'd like to go as well... I don't know what to do.



EDIT: Sorry about my english, I know it's not too good and I have a really boring writing style to boot ._.

***
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 18 2011 20:12 GMT
#2
Oh Lordy, girl blog #6 today. I love it. 5/5
Today is a good day.

Unfortunately I don't think I have anything useful to contribute, never been in quite the same situation before. My gut feeling is that you should give it a shot, don't live a life of missed opportunities!
[TLMS] REBOOT
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10781 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 20:14:09
November 18 2011 20:13 GMT
#3
So...

You got a thing for that girl and don't want to sleep in a tent with her because it could end "akward"?.

Seriously? :p

Just go and enjoy it... Just don't play "wannabe boyfriend" go there to enjoy the festival and if things run ok, other things might happen anyway...
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
November 18 2011 20:17 GMT
#4
As I started reading this I was thinking to myself, holy crap Opticalshot is going to shit himself it's #6. F5 and he's already got this, lol.

(my best bro and I had a falling out, since he started talking shit about her and I didn't like it one bit),


There's a lesson here. Always take your friends seriously when they give you relationship advice. I'm not going to say they are always going to be right, but 99% of the time they have a much better perspective on how good of a fit and what type the other person it. If you have not already done so, go apologize to this guy.

Also, if she doesn't want to date you; accept your place in the fz or cut her loose and move on.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
discodancer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
November 18 2011 20:18 GMT
#5
Well, if you can end up on top of her?.. Why not. Just pretend you fell asleep, roll over and slowly start rubbing at her warm sleepy body. Mmmmm.. just know when to stop, rape could hurt your friendship in the future.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 18 2011 20:19 GMT
#6
On November 19 2011 05:12 OpticalShot wrote:
Oh Lordy, girl blog #6 today. I love it. 5/5
Today is a good day.

Unfortunately I don't think I have anything useful to contribute, never been in quite the same situation before. My gut feeling is that you should give it a shot, don't live a life of missed opportunities!


I know! It's christmas come early for us in blogland :D

My advice is to go and have fun, and try not to worry about her. Awkward stuff probably won't happen, and if it does, if it's awkward-good it's good and if it's awkward-bad it wont' be as memorable as the festival right? Don't pass up on a chance to make good memories.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
November 18 2011 20:21 GMT
#7
On November 19 2011 05:17 TheToast wrote:
There's a lesson here. Always take your friends seriously when they give you relationship advice. I'm not going to say they are always going to be right, but 99% of the time they have a much better perspective on how good of a fit and what type the other person it. If you have not already done so, go apologize to this guy.

Also, if she doesn't want to date you; accept your place in the fz or cut her loose and move on.


He thought we fit, it just didn't work out... Both never really liked each other, to be honest, but he thought me and her had a chance. But no worry, I have already apologized to him... He held me through my depression.

I don't want to date her anymore, I left that clear last time I spoke with her. I have moved on, although with a different perspective on relationships... I have had some girlfriends in the past, some dumped me, others, I dumped them, but none left me depressed. Just this.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
November 18 2011 20:32 GMT
#8
On November 19 2011 05:18 discodancer wrote:
Well, if you can end up on top of her?.. Why not. Just pretend you fell asleep, roll over and slowly start rubbing at her warm sleepy body. Mmmmm.. just know when to stop, rape could hurt your friendship in the future.



Thing is I actually thought of doing that... >_____>

I'm confused though... You guys like this kind of blogs or not? >_> I know it sounds weird, but it's my first blog post and I can't figure it out.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
November 18 2011 20:33 GMT
#9
This sounds like a terrible idea. Do I want to go camping with my crush that rejected me? Fuck no.
Moderator
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
November 18 2011 20:33 GMT
#10
On November 19 2011 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 05:12 OpticalShot wrote:
Oh Lordy, girl blog #6 today. I love it. 5/5
Today is a good day.

Unfortunately I don't think I have anything useful to contribute, never been in quite the same situation before. My gut feeling is that you should give it a shot, don't live a life of missed opportunities!


I know! It's christmas come early for us in blogland :D

My advice is to go and have fun, and try not to worry about her. Awkward stuff probably won't happen, and if it does, if it's awkward-good it's good and if it's awkward-bad it wont' be as memorable as the festival right? Don't pass up on a chance to make good memories.


Yea, worst case scenario, you'll have an interesting story to tell ^^
Plus, she obviously already thought about this before inviting you so if you still aren't interested in her and she's cool with sharing a tent, then I don't see an issue.

Shine[Kal] #1 fan
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
November 18 2011 20:35 GMT
#11
On November 19 2011 05:33 Chill wrote:
This sounds like a terrible idea. Do I want to go camping with my crush that rejected me? Fuck no.


I disagree, I would go camping with you any day of the week Chill.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
November 18 2011 20:36 GMT
#12
Do you still have feelings for her? If not, go on this trip and just be friends. If you do, don't agree to go on the trip with her.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
November 18 2011 20:46 GMT
#13
On November 19 2011 05:33 Chill wrote:
This sounds like a terrible idea. Do I want to go camping with my crush that rejected me? Fuck no.


Yea, I just want to clarify with what I said, ONLY go if you really don't have feelings for her anymore. Otherwise... well. It pretty much boils down to you.
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
November 18 2011 20:48 GMT
#14
you could always try to get her drunk before going to the tent, in that case it is very possible it won't matter what she does or does not want right now while sober. :p
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32081 Posts
November 18 2011 20:48 GMT
#15
I say do it, so that when you inevitably get your drunken advances rejected, you'll already be in a sea of other drunken messes so that you can find an insta-rebound shortly after. And then you can write a follow up blog.

We all win in this scenario, you see.
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 18 2011 20:50 GMT
#16
On November 19 2011 05:48 Hawk wrote:
I say do it, so that when you inevitably get your drunken advances rejected, you'll already be in a sea of other drunken messes so that you can find an insta-rebound shortly after. And then you can write a follow up blog.

We all win in this scenario, you see.


This sounds fairly reasonable. I mean, festivals are fun, camping are fun, drunken rejection is sorta meh but hey! It'll balance out.

Try not to let your history with this girl interfere with the possibility of a good time.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 21:01:16
November 18 2011 20:59 GMT
#17
On November 19 2011 05:36 Enervate wrote:
Do you still have feelings for her? If not, go on this trip and just be friends. If you do, don't agree to go on the trip with her.


He probably does, kind of. I think that's the problem.

OP; do you actually WANT those feelings though? Be honest now. Do you want to be in love with her still, is there a part of you that still hopes she'll change her mind? Because I am kind of getting some mixed signals from you -- you say you're hurt, you don't want to go, and that's fine. But you also said that you "might end up literally on top of her" during sleep, and I am not quite sure if this actually excites you in a way.

Basically I would really like you to realize what exactly it is you're feeling.

In case you're still a little bit in love with her, and actually WANT to be, then it might not be a good idea to go on that trip without telling her that you still do have mixed feelings and it would be really awkward for you. And I would also try and think about how you could handle those feelings -- obviously, if she's not that into you, you should not keep loving her for all eternity, right? Wouldn't want to miss out on another girl just because you're still pining for her, would you?

If you do find though that you're actually not really in love with her anymore, and you're absolutely sure that you would do nothing sexual even given the chance, then you can go on the trip. Just because you got rejected once, does not mean you cannot man up and still be friends. That whole drama between you might have been partly caused by you not handling rejection very well, from the way I understood it, and if you have actually surpassed this perfectly, which I am really not sure you have, then go for it. Maybe you could meet a hot girl there who's actually into you, and sharing a tent with a friend is pretty nice.

But I really want you to think about this very hard, because if there is some doubt in your mind, you might end in a dangerous situation that certainly will not help your depression! You would not want, for example, to mistake her friendliness as an attempt to start flirting with you, or if she gives you a friendly kiss on the cheek, to fall into months of depression. Or even in the slightly outlandish case that she does actually, literally, come on to you, saying "oh it was all a mistake I was not prepared but I really like you now blabla", you need to know how and be able to react in a proper and sensible way given your past history. What if she also feels guilty and unsure about how to react, and in turn confuses her feelings with love? And you two end up breaking up once again in the near future?

Before you think about going, you would really have to be able to handle this situation, and I am not saying this is very likely at all, it is probably the most extreme thing that could happen. But it is also the case that has the potential to hurt you the most, by far, I feel, am I being wrong here?

Just try to think whether you actually want her as a friend, right now, or a lover, and base your decision upon that.
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
November 18 2011 21:03 GMT
#18
On November 19 2011 05:48 MisterD wrote:
you could always try to get her drunk before going to the tent, in that case it is very possible it won't matter what she does or does not want right now while sober. :p


Oh, I doubt she'll get drunk... Never drank anything alcoholic when we and a friend of ours (same as mentioned in the text) went out to some bars.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
DDKz
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia188 Posts
November 18 2011 21:04 GMT
#19
Sounds like a terrible idea, if you wanna go to the festival it might be worth it but don't go just to be with her. She doesn't like you and while it might hurt for a bit you shouldn't get depressed about it, just move on.

You can't meet the next girl you might like if you're hung up worrying about someone who might never like you back.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10781 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 21:08:01
November 18 2011 21:06 GMT
#20
If you do find though that you're actually not really in love with her anymore, and you're absolutely sure that you would do nothing sexual even given the chance, then you can go on the trip.


LOL

I don't remember when i the last time had to really laugh at something i read online.

1. Former crush (so seuxal attraction +++, you not only found/find her hot, you wanted to seriously date her)
2. Sleeping in the same tent whteout any other company at the festival? (so you could not only sleep with her, but no one else would else ever know about it unless you tell them)
3. Beeing drunk/stoned/or just happy (your at a festival, if your not drunk and/or stoned and/or happy and/or euphoric your clearly doing it wrong).

Now... ON WHAT PLANET.. Could any human being say: "I am 100% sure that there won't happen anything between me and her"... not even holding hands.. or slight cuddling... or rabbitsex.....
Seriously, i would decline that "offer" from the GF of my best friend which i'm actually not attracted to (aside from that she's a decent looking human female) and never would da anything with...
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
November 18 2011 21:11 GMT
#21
She sounds kinda bitchy, just from the short description I read. I would move on from her, far too many girls in the world who don't have all the drama. If you decided to go camping and to the festival, I would recommend bringing a few more friends with you and make it a group activity. You shouldn't go alone with her unless you want to prolong the bullshit and feeling down.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 18 2011 21:11 GMT
#22
On November 19 2011 05:33 Chill wrote:
This sounds like a terrible idea. Do I want to go camping with my crush that rejected me? Fuck no.


Maybe you can turn it around and be a mistake.









Best case.




Why would you do this to yourself.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
November 18 2011 21:50 GMT
#23
Don't go! Man, if I could do something differently in my past, it would be finishing unsuccessful love stories waaaay earlier.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
November 18 2011 21:54 GMT
#24
I'm wondering why she would even offer to go camping with you. Is it a gesture of friendship, that she wants to prove to you that she's comfortable being close friends with you? Is it a test to see your mental stability with regards to her? Has she thought about it at all?

I would say it's actually completely okay to be friends with a girl that rejected you. In real life these things happen: not everyone can be attracted to each other. The problem is that oftentimes the friendship you used to have with such a girl, before things went wrong, might be based on false premises. Having feelings for a girl can cloud your perception of her actual personality and it might turn out you were only really interested in her as a sort-of projection of the kind of girl you want to like(?).

From your post, I don't think going camping is a great idea. Your writing does not really betray a very high comfort level with women in general. Just by how much importance you're giving a weekend camping, it seems like it's just too risky and too much of a high-pressure situation.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
November 18 2011 21:58 GMT
#25
I'm gonna echo what the others have said man, don't do it! What you need to do is get over her :/
OGS:levelchange
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
November 18 2011 21:58 GMT
#26
She doesn't deserve you though if you do want some closure go on the event. Spend time together and just be like hey your missing out on this and I can't believe you'd be such a bitch to me after I poured my heart out.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 388
ProTech76
BRAT_OK 24
MindelVK 9
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4421
Rain 2617
Flash 2538
ZerO 596
Soma 519
Stork 446
Mini 421
Snow 305
Leta 295
Zeus 185
[ Show more ]
Hyun 165
hero 157
Mong 103
Rush 85
Larva 59
JYJ55
Light 53
Barracks 53
Sharp 52
Killer 49
Mind 49
Rock 27
scan(afreeca) 20
Aegong 19
Movie 15
Dewaltoss 15
Shine 10
Noble 8
Terrorterran 5
Dota 2
Gorgc8898
qojqva2703
Dendi1235
Counter-Strike
fl0m551
allub72
Other Games
singsing2024
FrodaN1288
Beastyqt563
ceh9473
Skadoodle449
Hui .310
KnowMe120
ArmadaUGS112
markeloff103
QueenE68
Mew2King40
rGuardiaN40
Trikslyr40
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 30
• Adnapsc2 12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 18
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2658
League of Legends
• Nemesis4898
Other Games
• Shiphtur298
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 4m
Replay Cast
6h 4m
The PondCast
17h 4m
OSC
19h 4m
Wardi Open
1d 18h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Safe House 2
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Safe House 2
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.