• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:40
CEST 16:40
KST 23:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE8Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b7IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"7ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!41
StarCraft 2
General
Terran or Protoss Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b 3kb/s downloading patch..... are we back to 1998? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL22 General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2026-27 Football Thread placeholder 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4197 users

Blizzcon - What I've seen so far

Blogs > PopeTimusPrime
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:32:01
October 21 2011 19:08 GMT
#1
Hasn't the HoTS preview just been AWESOME?! You'd be stupid not to think so. Let's take a look at some of the new features:

-Carrier and mothership removed because fuck the mothership and it would be just too hard to balance an already implemented unit.
-Two new protoss air units added. A flying Thor and one that kind looks like a wadded up piece of paper.
-Mineral freeze. Like force-fields but less Starcraft-esque and more we're-shit-out-of-ideas-esque (probably requires more APM to build the unit than to use the ability).
-The Nexus now has a recall ability. In other news, you can never base race a Protoss ever again.
-The Nexus now has an ability, for 25 energy, to add a gun to a target building. Consider Marauder drops a thing of the past! No one would ever attack a cybercore with a sentry duct taped to the top.

-Zerg now has the equivalent of those sticky hands you slapped your siblings with as a child.
-Flying defiler (probably useless but its your fault if it is)
-Lurkers that shit broodlings. Because broodlords were just to easy to kill with siege tanks.
-The hydra is now an air unit. It has a new, unrevealed unit ability.
-Ultralisks can burrow-blink.
-Just kidding the hydra is still a ground unit. You probably believed that shit, though. It would have been the most sane change in the list.
-Ultralisks can burrow-blink.
-Corrupters can now contaminate CC's/Nexus's/Hatches' which gives 1 mineral per second and does 1 dps per second.
-Ultralisks can burrow-blink.

-Terran goes full on copyright infringement and adds the Thor (not the Starcraft Thor but the Mech Commander Thor). It does AOE air damage and is faster and smaller than the Thor. Thank god, the thor was always so easy to kill.
-Hellions can now transform! More HP, same old eradicate an entire zerg army.

But who the fuck cares about multiplayer. We all play Starcraft for the story. Enter Kerrigan. That girl who says she isn't like other girls. She's out for another man and completely ignores the guy who's always been there for her (Writer's note: really reaching out to the sexually frustrated, teenage audience). Who knows what's in store for us with this all new, *noncliche* storyyyy!!


Other notes:
-WoW and "Kung fu Panda" have made a mysterious merger


Did I miss anything? On a serious note, this all looks like it should be in a UMS map.

***
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
October 21 2011 19:13 GMT
#2
nope, you got pretty much all of it
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 21 2011 19:15 GMT
#3
Wow so whoever made the joke post about it being a mecha-hellion unit was actually right?

Unless you're actually trolling *doesn't really care about blizzcon*
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
October 21 2011 19:18 GMT
#4
Not trolling...here's the trailer.

RohoboK
Profile Joined September 2010
England3 Posts
October 21 2011 19:21 GMT
#5
Well, let's hope your painful pessimism never spreads further than the insignificant doldrums of the TeamLiquid blog space.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 21 2011 19:25 GMT
#6
The little protoss new unit kind of looks like a Manhack from HL2 haha.

I now understand your sarcasm in the first line hahaha. Not impressed with the changes so far, guess we'll have to see what happens with them..
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
October 21 2011 19:26 GMT
#7
On October 22 2011 04:21 RohoboK wrote:
Well, let's hope your painful pessimism never spreads further than the insignificant doldrums of the TeamLiquid blog space.


I have done nothing but list the new changes. If that's pessimism then we've got a serious problem.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 21 2011 19:28 GMT
#8
^ What did I just see....
[TLMS] REBOOT
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 21 2011 19:29 GMT
#9
I think they are all great ideas, nothing the fanbase could've come up with.

Mineral freeze, you can't use it on anything else but workers? Or do you cast it on the minerals?
I don't mind that at all.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
October 21 2011 19:33 GMT
#10
Don't get me wrong, Hwangjae. There are some good ideas. But there are good ideas and then there are applicable and useful ideas. There are ideas relevant and interesting for gameplay. But mostly Blizzard just had cliche, simple ideas. They went for a cool focus rather than a functionality based one.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#11
On October 22 2011 04:18 PopeTimusPrime wrote:
Not trolling...here's the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_3R9BoVvg&feature=youtu.be

That looks so sick!
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
RohoboK
Profile Joined September 2010
England3 Posts
October 21 2011 19:37 GMT
#12
On October 22 2011 04:26 PopeTimusPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:21 RohoboK wrote:
Well, let's hope your painful pessimism never spreads further than the insignificant doldrums of the TeamLiquid blog space.


I have done nothing but list the new changes. If that's pessimism then we've got a serious problem.


Your blog post was practically drenched in a sarcasm that shown nothing more than utter contempt for Blizzard's ideas.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
October 21 2011 19:38 GMT
#13
On October 22 2011 04:33 PopeTimusPrime wrote:
Don't get me wrong, Hwangjae. There are some good ideas. But there are good ideas and then there are applicable and useful ideas. There are ideas relevant and interesting for gameplay. But mostly Blizzard just had cliche, simple ideas. They went for a cool focus rather than a functionality based one.


well, the protoss air AOE one makes sense, because other than storm they have no anti-air AOE. I can live with that unit. The manhack thingy is hard to justify/call out because it looks like it....I don't know what it does or how.

Terran stuff = lol. The mecha-hellion is just stupid to me, an unneeded change or addition, and the mini-thor is probably to replace goliaths in an SK Terran kind of build. Bio + Mini-Thors = fast mobile force.

Zerg sticky hands...not sure how that's going to balance out at all, will have to see before we can really judge it, it's a peculiar idea.
Lurker-broodling thing...ground version of broodlord? Why?? If they wanted to make a Lurker-like unit, they should have made something like the lurker. Not something that just poops out a pair of broodlings to get killed. Meh, will have to see. I guess its an alternative to super slow Broodlords.

SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
October 21 2011 19:40 GMT
#14
Negativity and pessimism on the internet. This is so fresh.
Moderator
PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
October 21 2011 19:41 GMT
#15
On October 22 2011 04:37 RohoboK wrote:
Your blog post was practically drenched in a sarcasm that shown nothing more than utter contempt for Blizzard's ideas.


Oh you! You caught me. I'm not a fan of most of the changes but some of them are genuinely good. That's not what this blog is about, though. This blog is about the creative black hole that is at the center of the Starcraft 2 department at Blizzard.
PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:55:06
October 21 2011 19:43 GMT
#16
On October 22 2011 04:40 Chill wrote:
Negativity and pessimism on the internet. This is so fresh.


Not fresh. Honest.

On October 22 2011 04:38 Torenhire wrote:
well, the protoss air AOE one makes sense, because other than storm they have no anti-air AOE. I can live with that unit. The manhack thingy is hard to justify/call out because it looks like it....I don't know what it does or how.


Yeah I completely agree with the above. AA protoss units have been pretty weak but I'm not entirely sure that this is the unit to fix it (referring to the flying thor).

To everyone else: I'm not commenting on how this will balance the game; I simply don't know. I'm commenting on the way they went about balancing the game.
RohoboK
Profile Joined September 2010
England3 Posts
October 21 2011 19:55 GMT
#17
On October 22 2011 04:41 PopeTimusPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:37 RohoboK wrote:
Your blog post was practically drenched in a sarcasm that shown nothing more than utter contempt for Blizzard's ideas.


Oh you! You caught me. I'm not a fan of most of the changes but some of them are genuinely good. That's not what this blog is about, though. This blog is about the creative black hole that is at the center of the Starcraft 2 department at Blizzard.


What are your ideas? Starcraft 2 is Blizzard's IP and, well, what they design is, I'd like to think, the result of hard work and the bouncing around of a number of ideas and possibilities that they have whittled down to the last, most realistic few.

Obviously they have to create fun-to-use units, because believe it or not, E-SPORTS is not the only audience for Starcraft 2. To then balance new, fun units around the stable, staple units is a tough job, and until you play the game for a few months to discover each of the new units' pros and cons during competitive play, there is really no need to jump on the seemingly popular Blizzard-has-lost-all-creativity bandwagon a couple of hours after they've made the information public.

PopeTimusPrime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:21:34
October 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#18
On October 22 2011 04:55 RohoboK wrote:

What are your ideas? Starcraft 2 is Blizzard's IP and, well, what they design is, I'd like to think, the result of hard work and the bouncing around of a number of ideas and possibilities that they have whittled down to the last, most realistic few.


Well not all departments are managed properly and not all companies are lead properly. This isn't unique to industries exterior to the gaming industry. This affects all industries. I can't comment on Blizzard's management process because I've never seen it (though from their results I can guess).

It may not be a management problem. It may be that the company is pushing for an end that is contrary to what would be best for the game. Adding units, for example, for the sake of making it feel like a new game rather than a patch. Adding more obvious abilities to attract a casual audience. These things will undoubtedly help Starcraft sell well (which is, ultimately, Blizzard's only responsibility) but it sacrifices the game's quality for short term success.

In short, Blizzard makes money at the initial release. There is no incentive to provide for a longterm product. With a pay-for-play type system maybe that incentive would be present but, as of right now, its no where to be found. That's not to say companies like Blizzard don't care about their games far into the future. But it is the to say that the development processes have a different focus because of this business strategy.

On October 22 2011 04:55 RohoboK wrote:
there is really no need to jump on the seemingly popular Blizzard-has-lost-all-creativity bandwagon a couple of hours after they've made the information public.


Really interested in your thought process here. You don't accuse me of jumping on a bandwagon when I don't purchase less than desirable fruit or vegetable at a market? Why accuse me when I'm commenting on a game that I like to play? I wouldn't buy a rotten fruit and I may even tell the management to restock their shelves. And I won't buy a rotten game and I think its healthy to at least have a discussion about these things.

Ultimately, its at the market's convenience to restock their shelves but if they neglect that rotten fruit for too long I'll simply go somewhere else.




s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
October 21 2011 20:21 GMT
#19
5/5
I am not good with quotes
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
October 21 2011 20:26 GMT
#20
On October 22 2011 04:40 Chill wrote:
Negativity and pessimism on the internet. This is so fresh.


.... says the brightest ray of sunshine on TL.
My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
2026 Week 17
IntoTheiNu 1093
TKL 151
SteadfastSC89
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 103
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 84
RushiSC 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 9180
Shuttle 1387
EffOrt 1381
firebathero 591
Light 543
Larva 407
Snow 351
Zeus 337
Stork 286
Mini 247
[ Show more ]
ZerO 234
Rush 225
actioN 212
Soulkey 180
Dewaltoss 136
ggaemo 106
Mind 100
Hyun 61
hero 54
Sharp 49
ToSsGirL 47
JYJ 44
Free 43
Killer 33
scan(afreeca) 28
Sacsri 22
yabsab 19
Terrorterran 18
soO 18
Hm[arnc] 16
Sexy 14
Rock 12
SilentControl 12
IntoTheRainbow 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
zelot 7
Noble 6
Mong 1
Dota 2
Gorgc1651
qojqva1067
Dendi758
syndereN185
420jenkins104
Counter-Strike
edward64
kRYSTAL_44
x6flipin9
Other Games
FrodaN2470
singsing1521
Serral1321
B2W.Neo982
hiko952
Beastyqt625
Lowko421
crisheroes401
Mlord394
Hui .185
TKL 160
Liquid`VortiX112
Mew2King105
DeMusliM104
SteadfastSC100
XaKoH 63
QueenE46
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 324
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3326
• WagamamaTV466
League of Legends
• Jankos2214
• Nemesis1682
• TFBlade1062
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
1h 20m
Replay Cast
18h 20m
CrankTV Team League
20h 20m
OSC
22h 20m
OSC
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Escore
1d 19h
CrankTV Team League
1d 20h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-28
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
Escore Tournament S3: W8
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.