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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
I am a chobo when it comes to traveling and I have a couple questions. I am looking to join a korean pro house and I was wondering how "moving" to another country works And by that I mean how to take with you clothes/computer/ and eum yea thats it ? If you take your desktop with you as a luggage on the plane is it gonna get wrecked once you arrive ? Feel free to tell me your experience or let me know anything you know about the subject !   | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
Also, have a ton of money ready and if youre moving there you need to get either a student or working visa. Unless you find yourself a korean wife withing the 90 days of your tourist visa. If youre going to move I suggest you plan it carefully or have a huge reserv pile of money to pull from. As for joining a korean pro team I think youre going to find it to be impossible unless you have some sort of pre arranged plan when you arrive. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 17:17 Robinsa wrote: Taking a desktop with you on the plane sounds expensive. And yeah, dont put it in the ordinary luggage cuz it WILL break. Also, have a ton of money ready and if youre moving there you need to get either a student or working visa. Unless you find yourself a korean wife withing the 90 days of your tourist visa. If youre going to move I suggest you plan it carefully or have a huge reserv pile of money to pull from. As for joining a korean pro team I think youre going to find it to be impossible unless you have some sort of pre arranged plan when you arrive. obviously if I go it's because I have a room in a house haha =P I can always go to japan or w/e cheapest planeticket that gets you out of the country to "refresh" the visa | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On September 29 2011 17:25 desRow wrote: obviously if I go it's because I have a room in a house haha =P I can always go to japan or w/e cheapest planeticket that gets you out of the country to "refresh" the visa It proboably will work the first time but be prepared that they are likely to eventually start asking questions. Edit: Anyone know what kind of Via artosis and tasteless got ? I belive they have no univ degree so they shouldnt be eligable for working visa. What about Naniwa and Sase ? Are they there on toursit visa ? | ||
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ckolev
51 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
Transporting your desktop will almost cost you as much as buying a new one there. Transport your hard drive and it will be enough. Or you could transport components well packed individually like mobo + hd + gpu + ram. Then you only spend money for a box / power supply / monitor. Anti-diarrhea medicine as the spicy food/street food will make your intestines flow like zerglings out of a nydus until you get used to it. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
GL and hf! | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 18:10 Sprungjeezy wrote: I would consider leaving my desktop at home. Pro gaming houses should have several reliable computers available to you and the hassle getting it there will be there again when you want to come back. Perhaps consider buying a gaming laptop as well (definitely comes in handy for traveling gamers). GL and hf! obviously i am asking about the desktop because the people im talking with can't "lend" me a computer. the gaming laptop is atouchy subject because i want to keep streaming so i dont know if blowing 2k on a gaming laptop that can stream is the best to do and i dont know if my budget can allow it | ||
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Sata_
Belgium82 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
Anyway when I came to Korea I brang almost nothing. Just one pretty small suitcase and my laptop. Koreas cheaper to buy most things than U.K (where I came from) and I didn't really have much good clothes of stuff so I thought I would just buy things when I got here and that worked out just fine. Koreas really easy to find your way around and find everything you’re looking for. Foreigners often complain a lot but realistically Koreas probably one of the easiest countries in the world to adjust to moving too. A lot of people speak basic English, everyone I've met has been really friendly and there’s a big community of English speaking people in all but the remotest villages. Oh yeah and computers. Don't bring one is my advice. PC bangs cost nothing and computers are definitely cheaper than U.K don't know about Canada. Do you have a degree. get a teaching job and you'll have tonnes of free time to still practice and make contacts that can help you adjust and also get a valuable sauce of income whilst you're trying to get things to take off. I'm very sceptical off anyone just moving here and making it playing video games. I guarantee there's a thousand Koreans who all work harder than you here all ready trying to fill the spaces. | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On September 29 2011 18:27 desRow wrote: obviously i am asking about the desktop because the people im talking with can't "lend" me a computer. the gaming laptop is atouchy subject because i want to keep streaming so i dont know if blowing 2k on a gaming laptop that can stream is the best to do and i dont know if my budget can allow it I'm as clueless as you, but why not try to look for a shipping service? Putting your core tech in the airplane luggage is a no-no; just pack your mouse/keyboard/peripherals and take it along with you. If you have a laptop just bring it over to tide you over the few days it takes for your desktop to arrive. Remember to ask for the address of the team house. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 18:38 Greg_J wrote: Not sure I understand your proposal Do you have a confirmed position or are you just wanting to turn up at a pro house and see if they will have you? Language is a barrier if you can't speak Korean you're gonna need contacts and people to translate for you to negotiate contracts and finding somewhere to live. Korean rent normally requires a massive 'key' payment up front so unless its included in a contract its often hard to find accommodation. Anyway when I came to Korea I brang almost nothing. Just one pretty small suitcase and my laptop. Koreas cheaper to buy most things than U.K (where I came from) and I didn't really have much good clothes of stuff so I thought I would just buy things when I got here and that worked out just fine. Koreas really easy to find your way around and find everything you’re looking for. Foreigners often complain a lot but realistically Koreas probably one of the easiest countries in the world to adjust to moving too. A lot of people speak basic English, everyone I've met has been really friendly and there’s a big community of English speaking people in all but the remotest villages. Oh yeah and computers. Don't bring one is my advice. PC bangs cost nothing and computers are definitely cheaper than U.K don't know about Canada. Do you have a degree. get a teaching job and you'll have tonnes of free time to still practice and make contacts that can help you adjust and also get a valuable sauce of income whilst you're trying to get things to take off. I'm very sceptical off anyone just moving here and making it playing video games. I guarantee there's a thousand Koreans who all work harder than you here all ready trying to fill the spaces. I potentially have a spot so I'm trying to make sure I know how to do everything so if it's confirmed and I get the OK I don't figure out everything in 1 week like a headless chicken. Realistically, I'm not moving there forever but I will stay as long as I can and as long as sc2 is sustainable for me to "live" there. If I go I would be in a pro gaming house so PC bang is definitely not worth it. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
Is there anything in particular you want to know about or anything you want ask people living in Korea? If you're in a pro game house, then accommodations no problems, I'm sure they will have a computer for you (probably should check with them). So no problem there. I assume they will sort you out with a visa or you won't be allowed in. Ask as early as possible what information you need to get for a visa to minimise delays. You normally have to get a criminals record check which could take some time. but I don't know if that’s for all visas or just because I'm a teacher and work with kids. Other than that I don't think you'll have any problem. Korea is a really fun place to be and Seoul is a great city to live in. I doubt you'll have any trouble with food or anything its mostly great and there's loads of western style places even if you don't like Korean food. Obviously you're not gonna have much time to enjoy it though because you're gonna have to work you're ass of playing all day every day. Good luck! and if you do make it here give me a PM and if you get some free time I'll have a beer with you. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10696 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 19:01 Greg_J wrote: Oh right SC2, that means PC bangs would be pretty troublesome anyway and makes my advice there pretty bad. Is there anything in particular you want to know about or anything you want ask people living in Korea? If you're in a pro game house, then accommodations no problems, I'm sure they will have a computer for you (probably should check with them). So no problem there. I assume they will sort you out with a visa or you won't be allowed in. Ask as early as possible what information you need to get for a visa to minimise delays. You normally have to get a criminals record check which could take some time. but I don't know if that’s for all visas or just because I'm a teacher and work with kids. Other than that I don't think you'll have any problem. Korea is a really fun place to be and Seoul is a great city to live in. I doubt you'll have any trouble with food or anything its mostly great and there's loads of western style places even if you don't like Korean food. Obviously you're not gonna have much time to enjoy it though because you're gonna have to work you're ass of playing all day every day. Good luck! and if you do make it here give me a PM and if you get some free time I'll have a beer with you. the reason im asking about the desktop is because the people im talking with right now/the opportunity i have would not have a computer to lend me yea if i do make it a beer sounds fun =) | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 19:04 Velr wrote: If you dissolve your PC i don't see a problem taking much of it in the normal luggage with you (aside from your Monitor?). Just stuff it out properly... It's a little gamble but should work out? A flight seriously can't be much bumpier than some drives to Lans I did in my past with my fresh driving licence... one of the option ive been told was to ship my clothes and take the PC with me on the plane but can't do both because if you go over 20kg on the plane, the airplane company is gonna charge you a fuck ton of money. I was told there's an option you can choose with certain airline companys where they take extra care of your luggage aka fragile shipping | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
Shipping a PC is a tedious, time consuming, and expensive project. I don't know what your financial situation is, but I would seriously suggest that you look into what it costs to just buy a new PC wherever you're going. I've got a kickass PC back home. I love it so much, and I miss it soooo much, but the fact of the matter is, for about 300 Euros, I'm able to buy a decent, stream and Starcraft capable PC here in Europe, and at the end of the day, that's actually cheaper than shipping my PC from home. (especially when you consider that I'll also have to ship it back one day) You also have to remember that you'll likely have to change the power supply on your PC so that it will work in whatever kind of outlets they have in Korea. (adapters work too) And under no circumstance do you want to take your PC on the plane with you. If you do decide to ship it, there are companies that handle that kind of thing specifically. Use them. They'll take care of your PC. In regards to just moving to another country: Most country will allow you to enter and stay for about 90 days on just your passport. I'm not sure how different Korea is on this, so that will take some research on your end. If you plan on staying past 90 days, you'll have to get a Visa. This can be a bit more complicated, as you'll need some proof of employment before they will grant you a Visa. That means contracts, office contacts, etc. The good news is (and again, I'm not sure about Korea exactly) you can handle a lot of this during that 90 days that you're granted on a passport. In terms of clothes, and other stuff, the best advice I can give you is to pack light. I brought like 4 pairs of jeans, 4 button-down shirts, a few t-shirts, and some underwear. Having less luggage is nice, but you also acquire new shit at such a rapid pace.... When I got to Germany, I stayed in the Type 2 team house for a month before moving in with Rotterdam. I arrived with 2 luggage rolly bags, 2 backpacks, and a shoulder bag. When I moved to Rotti's place, I literally had more stuff than I could pack. (I blame my shop-a-holic girlfriend). But seriously, when you're abroad, you pick up things like t-shirts, and other random things all the time. Good luck in your travels, man. I think its really awesome that you're looking to live abroad. It's a great experience, and is something that everyone should do at some point in their lives. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
I bought this one before coming to Europe: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do?storeName=computer_store&v1=HP Pavilion&a1=Brand&landing=notebooks Runs SC2 on medium settings and would be stream capable if I'd buy one more stick of RAM for it. i7 4GB DDRAM AMD 5750 And it was like $650. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On September 29 2011 17:17 Robinsa wrote: Taking a desktop with you on the plane sounds expensive. And yeah, dont put it in the ordinary luggage cuz it WILL break. Also, have a ton of money ready and if youre moving there you need to get either a student or working visa. Unless you find yourself a korean wife withing the 90 days of your tourist visa. If youre going to move I suggest you plan it carefully or have a huge reserv pile of money to pull from. As for joining a korean pro team I think youre going to find it to be impossible unless you have some sort of pre arranged plan when you arrive. Lucky Canucks get 180 day tourist visa in Korea. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 19:21 MrBitter wrote: And on laptops: there are some really decent laptops that are SC2 and stream capable for less than $1k. I bought this one before coming to Europe: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do?storeName=computer_store&v1=HP Pavilion&a1=Brand&landing=notebooks Runs SC2 on medium settings and would be stream capable if I'd buy one more stick of RAM for it. i7 4GB DDRAM AMD 5750 And it was like $650. wow definitely interesting thanks for all the comments/advice. Unfortunately buying clothes for my size is not an ez thing T_T so I might just end up shipping clothes over there depending on how much it cost. oh and im glad your having fun in europe ^^ | ||
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ulan-bat
China403 Posts
Big city + developped country = EZPZ. | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
Other than that, take enough clothes because asian countries don't have a lot of big clothes stores. (I have big feet such that I could never buy shoes). I got a good peice of advice that was if you have money and your passport you don't need to worry too much about anything else. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Apply for a working holiday visa, the process is incredibly simple given that you are a Canadian citizen, and you can legally stay and work in Korea for up to a year (6+6 months). Be prepared for the culture shock. Your first weeks can and, most likely, will be extremely stressful, both physically and mentally. Regarding the computer, it's not worth it to fly it over. ^ re: above. Oh yea, shoes. If your size is 10.5 or above (44), good luck finding a pair of shoes. Clothes should be okay, assuming you aren't XL+ in Canada. Remember to move up at least one size. | ||
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
If not, build a shuttle PC and dhl it shouldnt be more than 60-100$ imo GL sir | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:27 dahornnn wrote: I don't know what the fuss is about taking PC on a plane, ive done it a few times and it's never been a problem. My advice if you do need to take your pc is get a large suitcase that will fit everything you need and your pc, when you book a flight make sure you pay for extra luggage up to say30kg it will be probably about an extra $100-$150 (make sure you pack and weigh everything in advance so you can check how much your suitcase actually weighs) and pack everything tight so your pc has no room to move in the suitcase, while making sure the components inside your actual machine are screwed in tight and wont move. If not, build a shuttle PC and dhl it shouldnt be more than 60-100$ imo GL sir sounds like a affordable idea thanks everyone who posted so far I didn't have time to google because i wanted to start practicing but ill google it later if i come up with the perfect plan ill let u guys know | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I think the main issue you should look at is money. I know we see a lot of other pro gamers going over and it seems to be no worry for them but most of them have a team that is financially supporting them. Would you be signing with this team (as in joining them?) remember to bring a pillow and maybe a really warm blanket (i have one of those super soft one that i sleep under year round. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Florix
Germany116 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
And yeah Korean clothing is tiny lol, even their sizes that are supposed to be the same as ours is always a size or two smaller. You're best off buying your clothes any time you're back in the states or something. Shipping is pretty expensive as well I'd imagine. | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
But yeah, I don't think that taking a computer on a plane should be that big of an issue. The extraa weight cost could be an issue, but if you pack it carefully it should be fine. Personally I'd pack most of the parts individually, to be ultra-safe, but I'm sure that if you packed the case carefully it shouldn't take any damage. Those things are generally pretty tough. | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
It kind of depends on how much money you have to spend. If you can afford to buy a new computer you obviously don't risk breaking/losing it in transit. However, if you want to save money it's probably worth the risk of packing it and stuff (I think I paid around $50 for the extra suitcase with two monitors - definitely cheaper than buying a single new one). Also, MOST power supplies will work in 110-240 plugs (some have a switch, some will work regardless but do some research on that). My wife and I really didn't take much else besides our clothes, PCs (2x 24" monitors, 2 laptops and one desktop - the case). We've purchased a lot of things used and some furniture from IKEA but you might be surprised how little you can live with (and how irritating it is when that one small thing that you never used would totally be useful). Be adventurous and see as much of the world as you can. You only have one life, Live! | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10696 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:55 Mattchew wrote: I respectfully disagree with Mr. Bitter on the concerns of clothing. As you said you are bigger and that will make it harder to find fitting clothes. Also, Bitter has a gf with him and has time to shop for clothes. I would recommend bringing 7 - 10 outfits that you will practice in (in my case that would be sweatpants/gym shorts tee shirts and a couple sweatshirts) and maybe 4 complete outfits to go "out" in. I think the main issue you should look at is money. I know we see a lot of other pro gamers going over and it seems to be no worry for them but most of them have a team that is financially supporting them. Would you be signing with this team (as in joining them?) remember to bring a pillow and maybe a really warm blanket (i have one of those super soft one that i sleep under year round. 7-10 outfits? Lol? Wtf, are you modelling or something? A blanket? A pillow? wtf :D Sorry but this is the strangest advice on "travelling/moving" i have ever read  . | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
Are you going to come on time for the GSL qualifiers? | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
First of: you have to consider how long will you stay in korea. If its anything less than 4months, just consider getting a 800$ laptop and use GOMTV gaming house desktop and such. If its more than 4 months, you should pack what ever you have and bring it with you. Dont even think about streaming yet since the latency will be very diff plus you are sharing house with other people who need good connection. You have to consider to bring the entire desktop or just the box, monitor should be cheap/provided by gom. Worst case scenario you could buy a used chinese one for a cheap price. have a seperate luggage for your box and make sure they got all the protections option check, especially if you are using liquid cooler. Most of the time luggage should be safe on the plane but the part where they put it on the plane and take it out could be a little rough. Clothing dont bother bringing too much, stuff the winter stuff around the desktop case to make sure they have some force reduction. You only need stuff enough for a weeks, a pair of shoes and a cap ~_~... Pillow if you must since that what artosis asked Terran to bring. Now once we get travel stuff out, there are things u need to know: what ever you prepare should be depend on the team that accept you, each team will have a different facility for your training therefore its best to ask them before hand. Its freaking damn hard for a korean team to accept non-korean living in their team house over korean. Im pretty sure Terran has played several recruitment matches for several teams before he went to korea. They really need to accept you first. And with your skill level right now, its gona be pretty damn hard journey. Try to start with gg-ing EVERYGAME before you left is a good way to start, Korean respect that and think its important in manner kinda stuff. While language might not be a problem, food could be a huge trouble if you have not travel a lot. Korean food has a special taste to it compare to other asian foods that you can find around NA (Pho, sushi, chinese etc). Most people back up plan are korean BBQ or pizza but once you start living in a korean progaming house, you will have to eat their food and get use to it eventually. Hmm, just read all the comments: dont underestimate PCBang, while its the same if worse than a progaming house, thats where you could meet up people from other team and learn some gaming culture. Pretty sure HuK stream a tons from PC bang instead of oGs house in the past. People who have team kill match also practice at PC bang etc... They are really cheap and is a good solution for not bringing your PC. if you planning on staying in korea, consider VISA as a must. It will give you much better access to the legal system around(signing house contract etc), much better to maneuver. Just start with a travel one, pretty sure you can apply for a working visa once you have a fulltime job with stable salary and such(artosis+tasteless). DO NOT BUY HP LAPTOP!!!!!! get asus, i7 4gb ram 1.5 gb graphic for $800~900 CND canadacomputer walk-in zzzz... | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On September 30 2011 01:58 mizU wrote: Stuff in Korea can be... weird. Odd things can be REALLY expensive here, but other things can be really cheap. It's really hard to tell. For some reason stick deodorant is really hard to find, but shampoo is reallyyyyy cheap. Food is really cheap here, so don't worry about that, and you don't need to bring that many clothes, but it is getting colder. Even if you are on the bigger side, Koreans do have an XL. There are big people here too. Don't be too worried about not being able to find clothes, Seoul should have what you need. Are you going to come on time for the GSL qualifiers? I doubt it but I plan to stay as long as I can so I would probably end up attending quite a few qualifiers (given there's 1 almost every month) and for the guy mentioning gom every few paragraph, I am not going to the gom house =P | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
On September 30 2011 02:06 desRow wrote: I doubt it but I plan to stay as long as I can so I would probably end up attending quite a few qualifiers (given there's 1 almost every month) If you're going to be here in Nov, I'll see you at the qualifiers!~ | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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Kreig
Germany79 Posts
I'd probably disassemble my desktop pc put the separate parts in antistatic sleeves and send it in a cushioned package to the location where I move to. Taking your whole pc as luggage with you is probably a bad idea, I had loose contacts in my pc simply from driving it to a nearby LAN | ||
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