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Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for explaining the ways in which Sc2 currently lacks the magic that made BW so special.
I watch SotG because it is one of the only programs that makes Sc2 interesting to me. I've only been watching BW for about 2 years, but I've had so many powerful experiences in that time that have had no parallels in my Sc2 viewing. Flash's run through the finals in 2010, KT's back to back proleague finals wins, Jangbi's win just this week, and too many epic proleague games to count. In comparison, Sc2 just seems bland and uninteresting, with the best games I've ever seen being comparable to average BW ones. I see the potential in Sc2 for greatness, and I really want it to succeed, but I can't for the life of me stand to watch it with any frequency when the entire time I'm wishing I was watching BW instead.
The hosts tonight hit just about every nail on the head as to why this is. Tournament structure, story lines, awesome micro opportunities, crazy units like Vultures, Reavers, and Lurkers, the list goes on and on. I'm so happy that four people who are so incredibly important and influential in the Sc2 community were willing to do this, and that even JP was willing to admit he'd never been as emotionally invested in a final as he was in Fantast v Jangbi.
To any Sc2 fans out there who are intrigued about BW from that cast, just know that you have a great resource here. The BW community on TL is far smaller than the Sc2 one, and in my experience much friendlier. If you have any questions about BW, from other random recommended games to how to go about following the current scene, just ask here or somewhere else and you will find help.
Sorry for being all emotional and shit, but seriously you guys are awesome. Keep trying to make Sc2 the best esport it can be, and keep repping your roots.
BW4LYFE!!!!
 
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Wish i could rate this higher than 5 stars :D <3 <3 <3 miss competitive BW!!!!!!!!!
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Good Read. Agreed lol. I would love to play bw execpt I'd be terrible at it -_- fdkglfgk too hard I enjoy my masters lol
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God damn it, I can't agree more. I love Brood War. SC2 can never replace it. It sucks that we have Concussive Shells, Fungals, and Force Fields instead of the "clutchness" that is Reavers, Scourge chases, and Dark Swarm. 
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On September 21 2011 15:15 HuKPOWA wrote:
Wish i could rate this higher than 5 stars :D <3 <3 <3 miss competitive BW!!!!!!!!!
There's nothing to miss, BW is still going on right now (well, not NOW now, with it being the off season and all, but still). Once PL starts up again, tune in and enjoy.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
BW seemed all about micro and unit positioning of your entire army. SC2 to me, feels almost like a complete 180.
concussive shells: lol u wanted to micro against a terran?
colossus: rofl sup hydra i dont need micro. or a good storm.
sentrys: rofl sup force fields mean i can control the terrain. you shall not pass!
infestor: rofl u thought plague sucked? try maelstrom + plague. oh it's also mad cheap and you don't need to research it!
broodlord: rofl u thought guardians were bad? how about tiny zerglings being shot from one. rofl sup.
sigh..... that's what we get from the company that created command and conquer 4.
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I'm so glad they touched up on how little spectator information there was in bw and how it only made it more suspenseful. I feel the EXACT same way. When watching sc2 you see literally everything and its so easy to know whats going to happen and it makes it to where the game may be exciting for a little bit but then the rest of the game you are just waiting for it to end and the next one to start. But in bw you were on the edge of your seat the entire freakin time. You couldn't see what units the players were making or the upgrades researching. A Terran would be death pushing a Zerg and there would be no more hope and then BAM a dozen ultras and a couple defilers pop out of nowhere and the whole thing turns around instantly. It was so much more exciting.
On September 21 2011 15:26 CaucasianAsian wrote:
BW seemed all about micro and unit positioning of your entire army. SC2 to me, feels almost like a complete 180.
concussive shells: lol u wanted to micro against a terran?
colossus: rofl sup hydra i dont need micro. or a good storm.
sentrys: rofl sup force fields mean i can control the terrain. you shall not pass!
infestor: rofl u thought plague sucked? try maelstrom + plague. oh it's also mad cheap and you don't need to research it!
broodlord: rofl u thought guardians were bad? how about tiny zerglings being shot from one. rofl sup.
sigh..... that's what we get from the company that created command and conquer 4.
Yeah for sure, there are so many anti-micro abilities in sc2 which is literally the worst possible thing for an esport. Also macro is 10,000x easier which makes it much less impressive when someone is macroing well. In bw if you were good at macro it was this crazy feat that you looked at and said HOW...WHAT...Thats not human! It made you respect the players so much more.
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Yeah, I think I've watched more BW this month (caught up MSL VODs and obviously OSL) then I have SC2 which is a first for me since SC2 beta started. I really do miss it and I don't think SC2 will ever quite capture the same magic. Here's to hoping though.
EDIT: Also, thanks for mentioning this. I'll probably D/L the audio for the podcast since I missed it again.
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Sadly I was sick and exhausted for the finals of OSL, but the games I watched were pretty damn exciting. I think both games are good, but I do wish that SC2 only had less dramatic slow spells instead of fungal to stop units and concussive shell which seems to snowball a bit too quickly. While saying this, I also have to say that SCII is a young game and I hope the expansions bring back that magic that BW has.
I'm still addicted to Starcraft either way...
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Hi,
That sounds really interesting, where can I download that SotG episode ?
Thanks.
bw4ever
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On September 21 2011 15:33 Mazer wrote:
Yeah, I think I've watched more BW this month (caught up MSL VODs and obviously OSL) then I have SC2 which is a first for me since SC2 beta started. I really do miss it and I don't think SC2 will ever quite capture the same magic. Here's to hoping though.
EDIT: Also, thanks for mentioning this. I'll probably D/L the audio for the podcast since I missed it again.
It's the last portion of it, if you're not as interested in the rest.
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As a pretty new BW watcher..I agreed completely with whatthey said. Production value...rarity of the tournaments etc etc.
I think the problem lies not with the game as such (though it has glaringly obvious problems, like vanilla bw did) but the way its run. Gom has a monopoly overpro SC2 in korea which is bad. They should allow other companies to run tournaments.
Would love to see the BW tournament style introduced to korean SC2....
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I've played literally thousands of iccup games over the span of two years and loved every minute of it. I was here just long enough before sc2 beta to experience the full BW experience. BW teaches you very quickly that discipline is what wins games. This is obviously the case in sc2 as well but it was just so much more prominent in BW that the damn workers wouldn't mine if you didn't tell them to! Something so simple makes it so raw, like a lifeless machine that you have to put life to and defeat your enemy with 'your bare hands'. Amazing. I'm glad it's continuing to get a share of the spotlight!
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i agree, mainly cuz i cant even play sc2 right now since patch 1.4 wont let me! fantastic work blizzard.
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I only heard a few times the name SotG before, I didn't even know it was made by Day[9], Artosis, Nony and another guy I don't know. Downloading. Must be a decent show with such big names.
Thanks a lot.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Mmmm someone asked me the other day what my favorite starcraft final was, and I said; Flash vs EffOrt, obviously, and they said that they had meant Sc2 final. And that stumped me, because really, I can name a handful of BW series that stick in my mind as ridiculously entertaining, but no Sc2 finals.
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so true, A MEN BRUTHA
BW is absolutely amazing over SC2, I can't pinpoint what it is, but dw i will get back to you on that one
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On September 21 2011 16:27 tree.hugger wrote:
Mmmm someone asked me the other day what my favorite starcraft final was, and I said; Flash vs EffOrt, obviously, and they said that they had meant Sc2 final. And that stumped me, because really, I can name a handful of BW series that stick in my mind as ridiculously entertaining, but no Sc2 finals.
some mkp ones...maybe?
but damn jangbi vs fanta... O_O
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On September 21 2011 15:38 alexpnd wrote:
I've played literally thousands of iccup games over the span of two years and loved every minute of it. I was here just long enough before sc2 beta to experience the full BW experience. BW teaches you very quickly that discipline is what wins games. This is obviously the case in sc2 as well but it was just so much more prominent in BW that the damn workers wouldn't mine if you didn't tell them to! Something so simple makes it so raw, like a lifeless machine that you have to put life to and defeat your enemy with 'your bare hands'. Amazing. I'm glad it's continuing to get a share of the spotlight!
Completely agree with this. My couple of years with bw was an amazing time.
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