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My former worst match-up is now my best, ha.

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Mortis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
November 20 2010 07:09 GMT
#1
My worst match up used to be ZvT... I would pull my hair out over it, but, lately, it seems that it has become my best match up. I've won, I believe, 6 of my last 7 ZvTs. Perhaps I'm playing more smart? Perhaps my macro is better? I'm not quite sure what it is, but, I've maintained the usual muta ling baneling for the majority of terrans who go Marine, marauder, tank. I know for sure, my control has improved.. no longer am I being retarded and 1Aing both lings and banelings into marauder portions of bio balls and I'm microing the banelings A LOT more carefully, making sure they hit marines, come hell or high water.

My match ups that are suffering now are PvP and TvP, the match ups I actually used to do my best in ^^; I feel bad for admitting being bad at TvP as I will probably get made fun of, with people saying (and protoss have said this to me before) "you have EMP, you shouldn't loss to toss."

And PvP always feels like the anti-macro game, as anytime I try to establish a second base, I get pushed.. if I try to one base, I get starved out. It's kinda frustrating, but, I suppose I will have to improve my timings and scouting in that match up.

Sorry for the mini Wall-o-text and as always, thanks for reading fellow blog goers. And as always, input, comments, criticism (constructive or not) are welcome ^^.

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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9823 Posts
November 20 2010 08:20 GMT
#2
It's hard to help when you only give vague descriptions of what you're having problems with
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dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
November 20 2010 08:57 GMT
#3
it's not possible to play more smart, only smarter
Huxii
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark78 Posts
November 20 2010 10:57 GMT
#4
The reason that your ZvT has become better is that the meta game for terrans have changed during the period of the last GSL, thanks to people like Foxer and MVP. Everyone goes mass marine, and if you have a solid bane muta build you demolish it, unless they actually have as good micro as Foxer. Or atleast that's how i'm feeling it, because the same goes for me, my ZvT is way better now than it used to be, and i really that i see way more mass marine. ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5e6eG6bXAQ
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 20 2010 11:52 GMT
#5
if you expo early in PvP you'll be way ahead and it's easy to maintain that lead. A 2 gate into fast expo into robo will put you way ahead and give you safety with at least one immortal out early.
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 20 2010 12:16 GMT
#6
On November 20 2010 20:52 PlaGuE_R wrote:
if you expo early in PvP you'll be way ahead and it's easy to maintain that lead. A 2 gate into fast expo into robo will put you way ahead and give you safety with at least one immortal out early.

Unless you get 4-gated.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 20 2010 12:23 GMT
#7
On November 20 2010 21:16 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 20:52 PlaGuE_R wrote:
if you expo early in PvP you'll be way ahead and it's easy to maintain that lead. A 2 gate into fast expo into robo will put you way ahead and give you safety with at least one immortal out early.

Unless you get 4-gated.


true, but a 2gate can hold off a 4gate if you have a large sentry force. as long as u can survive long enough to get a 3rd gate and immortals out
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
November 20 2010 13:15 GMT
#8
And ZvP was my WORST FUCKING MATCHUP and I was always getting beaten up by 4 warpGAYte allin. After that, I practiced on that a little bit and now I KICK THE CRAP OUT OF EVERY SINGLE OF'EM. 14 hatch 13 pool 16 hatch and neither fast expand nor early all-ins kill me right now and I'm something like 19-1 (?) against protoss for now.
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