EPTProfessionalism: Mostly An Illusion - Page 8
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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Neverclutch
United States3 Posts
What i loved about the show was simply that it showed us all that professional gamers, more so SC2 gamers, are just like everyone else. They eat, drink and have fun with friends just like all of us, this was important to me because it showed that they aren't all robots (idra) that are on some unattainable ground in SC2. It's something we can aspire to and achieve over time if we put the effort into it. Aside from the more serious side of what i loved about the show, i also couldn't help but respect the fact that these guys took the time to setup this stream for us, 2-3k viewers live, to watch while in the room. They went through all sorts of different things, like wheats ustream not working, just to show us the inner workings of the sc2 professional community (the lighter side). I think people should remember that all of you guys are friends, that don't see each other all that often (once a year?), trying to relax after a stressful tournament weekend. It would be much more productive for everyone to take that show as an awesome show of character and personality of SC2 Pro-Gamers/Casters and that it will help promote the growth of the eSports (SC2 more specifically). The only thing i ask is that next time try to set up the chat op's before you swap over channels, it was a task to get us some moderators in there to calm down the spam  Nothing but <3 to Lo3 and everyone in that room, Thanks again DJWheat! | ||
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m-ray
United States21 Posts
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crimsonsentinel
United States179 Posts
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-Genome-
Australia156 Posts
WOW Besides epic games themselves, that was easily the best 3 hours of progaming related material I've ever watched. And you know why? It's because it was lighter and not post-produced. It was a gritty, behind the scenes look at SC2 progaming. Not only did I get to put names to faces for some people I hadn't seen before like Machine, but I got it in a candid, real environment. When I first saw Wheat doing some stuff with Day9 I think it was, I rolled my eyes and went sigh here's another guy trying to impose himself on the scene without knowing anything, but he's really dedicated himself to learning the game, and you can see that a lot in how much he's improved. GJ Wheat. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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CreamCorn
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The first thing that came to mind when I was watching it was not how unprofessional this was, but instead was how raw and awesome it was. I felt like I was there. You busted your ass for three days straight and you were probably dead tired but you still provided us with an amazing behind the scenes look of all the players and people who made it happen. MLG was awesome and the after show in question was the icing on the cake. | ||
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JinNJuice
United States255 Posts
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
Pretty much everything Marcus said is spot on. When it comes to major events, leagues and organizations with large sponsors and production, professionalism comes no questions asked. Marcus has commentated/produced, Scoots has produced/managed, and I have written/commentated/marketed more events in a professional manner than anyone could count. We have worked hard to produce exclusive/breaking news, ball-breaking interviews, undercover expose's, and spotlight content across every genre and game within the eSports/pro gaming scene. I can confidently say that within the show's year-plus existence, there has been no editorial, podcast/audio or video that has been able to match our diversified in-depth coverage. I will personally make sure to continue the standards we have set for ourselves within this space. It just so happened that the place we wanted to do our show was also going to be used for everyone to mingle after a long weekend. The interviews and discussion we had with our guests (Lazarus, Day9, Jinro, Machine, IdrA, PainUser, iNcontroL/iNkA, NonY/ret, TLO/HuK) actually led to some very compelling information: Lazarus as a new team-manager and sponsor in eSports, Day9's thoughts on casting with wheat, iNcontroL going to Korea to compete in GSL S3, Jinro's assumption of rigged GSL brackets, IdrA's thoughts on his early exit, PainUser's coming out of nowhere, Machine's break-out performance, and the entire Liquid team's confidence in their results for the weekend, and moving forward towards GSL S3, DreamHack, and next year. Each of these topics alone is worth way more of a discussion than surrounding circumstances. I hope most people enjoyed the show. I wouldn't hesitate one bit to do this again for every MLG event next season if we have the time. Live On Three will return to it's regularly scheduled air-time this Sunday at 4 PM EST. Discussion will include a recap of the GSL S2 finals between FoxeR and Nestea, a preview of Dreamhack Winter (NonY, TLO, IdrA, White-Ra, MorroW, among others), and a recap of the World eSports Masters (CS 1.6, WC3). Tentative special guests include Ryan "Filipino Champ" Ramirez who won SoCal Regionals (SSF4) this past weekend by taking out Daigo in the finals, and Tom "Ogre2" Ryan who won the MLG 2010 Halo 3 championship with Final Boss. Filipino Champ is the first ever American to win an international tournament in SF4 or SSF4 (not including ESWC 2010 which had no Japanese players), while Ogre2 has now won more titles that any other Halo player in history, while being on the only team to win every final event in each Halo series at MLG. It'll all be live on http://www.djWHEAT.tv - If you'd like to listen to past shows, you can do so at http://www.djwheat.tv/category/shows/lo3/ PS. To Marcus: Regarding your G4 comparison, did you forget G4tv wrote an article the day before the show telling people to tune in? :D - http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/708486/mlg-dallas-2010-tournament-wrap-up---saturday-report.html (bottom of page) Oh and the chick is Kate, aka millies, World of Ming's resident troll, whom I am quite friendly with. | ||
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Tercotta
Canada402 Posts
It's not much of an addition at this point to say that but you all deserve the praise, (though sometimes I cringe at Slasher's humour). | ||
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
On November 11 2010 06:25 Zelniq wrote: i'm pretty pissed I was stupid enough to schedule my flight back home on Sunday night, just so I wouldn't miss a worthless day of classes. looks like I missed out on the best of the MLG nights, next time I won't make that mistake also, fuck ya wheat I agree 100% Ya, I did the same thing and completely agree with you as well. | ||
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slowzerg
United States62 Posts
The vast majority of the content produced by and for the SC2 community is PG, and can be readily consumed by individuals of all ages. The fact that very tiny portion of our content, streamed at very late hours, has some saltiness is perfectly reasonable. If you find this content objectionable you still have access to the other 99% of content that will meet your standards. Let us 1 percenters have our fun - we're part of the community too! Thanks. | ||
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megagoten
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Meekee
United States46 Posts
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
As a person who is involved with a number of younger SC2 players and fans, I tend to get a bit tetchy when there is a lot of swearing or tounge-in-cheek/mock racism or homophobia in SC2 content - but really, by now most people know which shows/streams/podcasts are for what kind of content/ambiance/whatever. So yeah, of course everyone is entitled to their own personal opinions on what is "just a joke" and "what is going too far" in terms of humor and so on and that's all fine and as it should be. But I don't think there is any reason to complain at you for putting "to air" what you did, and you aren't personally responsible for every crass joke that was made. Again, I think provided everyone is good and clear what they are getting (ie. this was not a "professional context" it was a "behind the scenes context"), I don't really see the problem. More generally, you do a great job and the SC2 community is lucky to have a few people with some actual experience in media doing things for us. Enthusiasm is fantastic but having a few people with actual knowledge and background is a huge benefit to everyone. So thanks for all the hard work. | ||
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Sholoshka
United States60 Posts
Some of the most successful companies in the United States are embracing a more laid back corporate culture. Evidence of this is just about any company that is tech related mostly on the West Coast. Take Blizzard for instance and one of their cultural norms "embrace your inner geek." The antiquated idea of "professionalism" (ex. IBM years ago where everyone wore navy blue suits, starched shirts, pressed pants and parted hair) is being abandoned by top companies in favor of casual, fun and employee focused work environments. The reason: it makes people happier, more comfortable, and it works better. Society in general, not just esports, is shifting to a more laid-back attitue where people are less easily offended, and where people say what they mean and where a bit of "edge" and "rawness" is tolerated (and sometimes expected even). I'll argue to say that being what many perceive as "professional" would lead to a contrived, less informative and less entertaining esports commentating experience. Also, I think that the events like the post-event show that took place, or any "behind the scenes" moments that get cast live (ex. Day9 pre-show is a great example) help to bring the casters and pros a bit "down to earth" in the eyes of the mass viewers. This creates a more intimate viewing experience because we as the anonymous masses can identify with the pros who otherwise we would perceive as these untouchable deities. This sort of thing happens with pro athletes or movie stars. The ultimate point I'm trying to make here is that being "professional" is losing its popularity and its effectiveness. People in general relish in the fact that they can see their favorite progamers in a human form. Personally it makes me feel great that if I saw one of the pros at some random event I would be able to have an actual conversation with them rather than a star-struck 2 second autograph session where I tell them how great they are and have them sign my mousepad. So keep doing what you're doing. Use profanity, be hilarious, wear a suit with a tshirt (one of my favorite attributes of the GSL casts), push the envelope, and be human. Your post is the reason I like the esports culture as well as this whole new cultural movement, because it portrays people as people, and we want to have fun, and just because you're a "professional" doesn't mean you have to be on your "best behavior." So before people rage at nerds misbehaving, just know that society in general is embracing it, and it's not going to stop, which I quite frankly think is awesome... DONE, I really hope that all makes sense... - Pastulio | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
Keep on rocking. | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
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