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On November 11 2010 15:37 Slasher wrote:
24 fucking pages over me making a blowjob joke regarding the people in the room chanting "JP" over and over? Which by the way, is completely unrelated to anything said about the female, Kate, who also by the way, is a good buddy and resident troll of World of Ming. All of this happening within a 2 minute span of the 3 hour cast, seriously? Really, seriously?
The original thread is about 3 people agreeing with the OP and 24 pages of idiots flaming the OP and getting banned for it. Which is the primary reason threads like this are kept open, they are excellent ban traps to weed out the stupid.
The OP made a reasonable point and stated his opinion manner fully. No problem with that whatsover. It was the horde of idiots that decided it's fair game to gang up on someone with an unpopular opinion that let the thread explode.
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I really liked you replied so in-depth to that, but I honestly don't even think that the calls of "unprofessionalism" are a valid critique. The problem is that you have to judge the show by what it sets out to achieve. This isn't some very broadly broadcasted show for the greater internets, it's a casual inside look to the type of socialty that is going on between pro gamers after the actual event. And it's for people who would like to see this. I have to repeat this, this is not the big tournament stream targeted to get mom and pops and your gf watching sc2, it's just for the ultra nerds so they can share the pro gaming experience a little better.
Besides, the more u professionalize a show like that, the more it will fail to bring us what it set out to show: a "real" look behind the scenes. Cameras change the social interaction purely by their presence, but think what a structured report would do.
I only watched a fragment of this "show" but I was really happy to see it exists. DjWheat is boss  !
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2gd, former ESL QL and WoW caster, is the most unprofessional and rude guy in esports. Never really bothers at all being PC or PG13. But he is one of the most entertaining casters out there. Only cus he is gaming without the fluff, just like wheat and pals.
What any community really needs is strong personalities who help tie it together and who enable it to grow - be it players, casters, viewers. Professionalism is all fine and dandy when in the spotlight, but should a community adapt to an outside world who doesn't really care?
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great post wheat, hopefully that tards that forced it out get a good read, and realize they should be thankful for whatever content they get.
p.s. you can hold out for that 10 billion, ill take a couple grand anyday
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What is more exciting - LO3 crazyness, or the korean style '' i did my best, and i tried my hardest, and i will continue practicing. Thank you my team&parents''. Im sorry will take LO3 any day.
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djWHEAT: Legend.
post mlg lo3 was great, and it would have been weird if you guys broadcasted it from a party yet remained uptight, or, in this case, "professional".
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I'm kind of seeing a bit of a parallel between the way Mixed Martial Arts was viewed ten years or so ago and the sort of turnouts they're getting to their shows. It used to be a very underground sport without many rules in the ring, and without much support from governments or the general public, but the people who were running it and watching it knew they were onto something good, something unique. There was definentally a lot of teething problems, a lot of reform in the rules, and a lot of effort by the whole MMA community to get it to where it is today. I believe that there's no better show in sport today than a UFC event (apart from superbowl/grand finals). The whole event is electric, and every single person in the crowd is in on the action.
This is where e-sports could be in 5-10 years time, and that gets me seriously excited! Just this year we've had a big boost in publicity with a new starcraft coming out, and SC2 being included in the MLG circuit, and these things are extremely good for the sport. Yes SC2 doesn't have the high level play that Brood War has built up over the years, but things have had to change to bring e-sports into the mainstream, and that quite simply couldn't happen in Western countries without updated graphics/gameplay/developer support. I quite strongly agree that Blizzard shouldn't be interfereing with the BW events, because as time goes it would naturally fade as more progamers would switch up to SC2.
The most important thing any new and developing venture needs is strong leadership. I really hope that someone at MLG, Kespa, Gretech and Blizzard gets in contact with Dana White or someone involved in the running of the UFC and gets some business planning off them, because what they've done with MMA is awesome, and if e-sports could get that sort of leadership running it then it will get big. But also look at the UFC. It's not always "professional", some of the fighters say stupid things, sometimes they get bad publicity from different sectors of the government or media, but everytime something happens they look at it, and if it needs changing then thay change it, and quickly.
So some people have been upset by this broadcast, maybe it shouldn't be done the same way next time, who knows. It's up to the people running these events to make the right decisions, and to listen to what the fans want. Thankfully, judging by this blog entry it looks like they are.
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I didn't see the show and i liked your casting at the MLG, but with this post and some of your replies in this thread (yes, i read all 10 pages existing when i started writing this post... including the "Toys'r'us child", "don't want to grow up",... seriously?) you lost a lot of my respect.
In the US it might be normal to party, get drunk, make bad jokes, laugh about blow job jokes, ... but you have an international audience (though thanks to bad american comedy shows - where they even tell you when to laugh - the difference isn't that big anymore sadly).
Maybe i'm just too old and don't understand your generation (though i'm propably younger than you, but since you don't want to grow up... well...), but i really don't like this immature attitude, no matter _where_ someone shows it. I don't respect TaKeSen for hiring a stripper to a tournament either (and thats me working in the adult industry maintaining a system storing and managing over 100 Terabyte Porn).
Well, i guess someone has to be the clown (or if you prefer, entertainer) for the lower classes so they never learn to rise above themselves and learn to be more than just... children.
Who do you rather be? The young marine on the battlefield who has an exciting, though quite short life, or the commander of the battleship in orbit?
Yes, this post might offend you and possibly a lot others, but well, have fun with your partying, spring breaks, comedy shows, college football,... come back to this post when you have finally grown up in about 30-40 years. Well, ok, if the world develops as i expect it will be in ruins by then, so i just hope everyone grows up before then... but i don't expect it.
Just a Note: To those who said the event was at night, children shouldn't watch it anyways... it's always afternoon somewhere on the world and some children might watch it (though i don't think it's the strongest argument against such a stream).
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On November 11 2010 21:30 Morfildur wrote:
I didn't see the show and i liked your casting at the MLG, but with this post and some of your replies in this thread (yes, i read all 10 pages existing when i started writing this post... including the "Toys'r'us child", "don't want to grow up",... seriously?) you lost a lot of my respect.
In the US it might be normal to party, get drunk, make bad jokes, laugh about blow job jokes, ... but you have an international audience (though thanks to bad american comedy shows - where they even tell you when to laugh - the difference isn't that big anymore sadly).
It is quite normal in Europe aswell, even Germany. I have partied with Germans plenty of time, and they just like everyone else in the world likes to drink, have a good time, make bad jokes and let loose once in a while.
If nothing else i would object to the implication that grown ups cant drink, have fun and act childish once in a while. That is just stupid, i am grown up, work, pay my bills, curse over the price of insurance and worry about kids or not. And i still enjoy grabbing some beers, hanging out with my friends and laugh at (possibly) bad jokes. As do my older brother, his friends, my friends, my dad, my granddad, my mom, my gf and every other non-stuck-up person i know.
Time and place for everything, a time to be proffesional and a time to relax and give some of youself.
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I really don't get what etiquettes have to do with professionalism in the first place. To me professionalism is about taking your job seriously and doing it to the best of your abilities. Not about being PC.
Wheat casted at a noisy after-party and managed to get really good interviews and and very insightful discussions. His style for the show is using what a lot of people consider "every day English" as opposed to "PC English". He's a very good interviewer and talk show host, asks the right questions and knows how to steer the conversation. I'd say that his style fits his guests best because he doesn't force them to act unnatural. It fits his audience best because they finally get to see a show that isn't painfully out of sync with real life.
While I do think that relying on obscenity to be funny or to carry your argument only proves you're incapable of being funny or insightful. That doesn't automatically mean that everybody that swears or uses vulgar terms can't make a solid case for his opinion, or be funny for that matter.
Failing to see the difference is what I'd call "an attempt of a stubborn mind denying the right of free expression".
As for Slasher acting like an idiot at the end of the show, and his not so articulate reaction in this thread; those actually are effective demonstrations of "attempts of a weak mind to express itself forcibly". (Nothing against you Slasher, but you really didn't help yourself with that post.)
Even with that admission, people are still responsible for their own actions. If you watch, or let your children watch an unrated show that takes place in an informal environment you run the risk of exposure to profanities. Arguing that it's anybody's responsibility other than your own is downright ridiculous and puts you in a victim's mentality.
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On November 11 2010 22:00 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 21:30 Morfildur wrote:
I didn't see the show and i liked your casting at the MLG, but with this post and some of your replies in this thread (yes, i read all 10 pages existing when i started writing this post... including the "Toys'r'us child", "don't want to grow up",... seriously?) you lost a lot of my respect.
In the US it might be normal to party, get drunk, make bad jokes, laugh about blow job jokes, ... but you have an international audience (though thanks to bad american comedy shows - where they even tell you when to laugh - the difference isn't that big anymore sadly).
It is quite normal in Europe aswell, even Germany. I have partied with Germans plenty of time, and they just like everyone else in the world likes to drink, have a good time, make bad jokes and let loose once in a while. If nothing else i would object to the implication that grown ups cant drink, have fun and act childish once in a while. That is just stupid, i am grown up, work, pay my bills, curse over the price of insurance and worry about kids or not. And i still enjoy grabbing some beers, hanging out with my friends and laugh at (possibly) bad jokes. As do my older brother, his friends, my friends, my dad, my granddad, my mom, my gf and every other non-stuck-up person i know. Time and place for everything, a time to be proffesional and a time to relax and give some of youself.
I enjoy a drink sometimes, too (although i absolutely hate the smell of beer, it's just horrible... i live 100m away from the famous "Flensburger Brauerei" and there are some days i don't even dare to open the windows) and having fun is ok, though people tend to say my humour is very dry, but what i absolutely hate is people drinking more than just a little and forgetting the good manners. Or even people that have no/only limited good manners even when sober (of which djWheat seems to be one).
Ah well, i guess the people asking me if i have some "blue blood" in my veins might be right, i'm just born in the wrong century.
Anyways, just do what you want and only think about yourselves, don't even try to improve the world and grow above what you are now. Continue to drink, fight and swear like the uncivilized homo "sapiens" (what a joke -.-) most people often seem to be. Flesh over Mind, just like it should be.
(Sorry for being very aggressive, i'm in a very bad mood today. I better stop posting)
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Wheat your great give them hell. =]
If people want professionalism all the time they aren't going to be getting content all the time. Part of professionalism is none of the personal life behind it. In my personal life I have sex and if I can't talk about it in a professional setting so be it. But when people are getting free additional content which was never presented as professional content, they lose every inch of a right to bitch. They could also just stop watching, did I ever present that fucking arguement? And of all the professional activities in the world do you think Starcraft having pro players talk about it frankly with a host enjoying a beer is going to SCARE THEM AWAY? Holy fuck they might just think these people are alright and JUST LIKE THEM.
So if anyone knows someone that watched LO3 and had never seen a single match of Starcraft in their existence, AND also was offended - I have a pretty good inclinination that they were never going to get into it anyway. If you want an entirely superficial fanbase of people who think its serious all the time people aren't going to believe it and its not realistic. The commentators, the players and everyone involved needs to let it all hang out - regardless if the record button is on or off.
First time I saw Wheat it wasn't for SC so I wasn't interested, when I see it now I'm like "hotshit this is awesome" because it is. So hats off Wheat if you see haters let them hate I'll address them for you. I'll release the pitbull with aids and ask my brothers parole officer if I can borrow him for a bit while he pushes them into an on going grease fire.
CAREFOOT OUT
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On November 11 2010 22:39 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 22:00 DND_Enkil wrote:On November 11 2010 21:30 Morfildur wrote:
I didn't see the show and i liked your casting at the MLG, but with this post and some of your replies in this thread (yes, i read all 10 pages existing when i started writing this post... including the "Toys'r'us child", "don't want to grow up",... seriously?) you lost a lot of my respect.
In the US it might be normal to party, get drunk, make bad jokes, laugh about blow job jokes, ... but you have an international audience (though thanks to bad american comedy shows - where they even tell you when to laugh - the difference isn't that big anymore sadly).
It is quite normal in Europe aswell, even Germany. I have partied with Germans plenty of time, and they just like everyone else in the world likes to drink, have a good time, make bad jokes and let loose once in a while. If nothing else i would object to the implication that grown ups cant drink, have fun and act childish once in a while. That is just stupid, i am grown up, work, pay my bills, curse over the price of insurance and worry about kids or not. And i still enjoy grabbing some beers, hanging out with my friends and laugh at (possibly) bad jokes. As do my older brother, his friends, my friends, my dad, my granddad, my mom, my gf and every other non-stuck-up person i know. Time and place for everything, a time to be proffesional and a time to relax and give some of youself. I enjoy a drink sometimes, too (although i absolutely hate the smell of beer, it's just horrible... i live 100m away from the famous "Flensburger Brauerei" and there are some days i don't even dare to open the windows) and having fun is ok, though people tend to say my humour is very dry, but what i absolutely hate is people drinking more than just a little and forgetting the good manners. Or even people that have no/only limited good manners even when sober (of which djWheat seems to be one). Ah well, i guess the people asking me if i have some "blue blood" in my veins might be right, i'm just born in the wrong century. Anyways, just do what you want and only think about yourselves, don't even try to improve the world and grow above what you are now. Continue to drink, fight and swear like the uncivilized homo "sapiens" (what a joke -.-) most people often seem to be. Flesh over Mind, just like it should be. (Sorry for being very aggressive, i'm in a very bad mood today. I better stop posting)
This is exactly the victim mentality I was talking about. If you don't like that kind of behavior just don't visit the places where people behave that way. I don't mind party behavior at all, but when I'm not in the mood for it you won't see me in a brawny pub. If LO3 is too uncivilized for you, don't watch it!
That homo joke only proves you're not a hair better than the people you criticize, and hypocritical at that.
As for being born in the wrong century, you are fooling yourself if you think the 19th century was any better. People back then were unlettered bigots that couldn't finish a sentence without using profanities. The main difference is that now we have tv and the internet and it's not just the local pub or market-square where their voices are heard.
If anything people have become more civilized and liberated at the same time. No longer is your opinion only measured by the eloquence with which you express it, but also the rationale behind it.
(Obviously the rationale behind an opinion often depends on eloquence to be heard, but that's splitting hairs.)
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On November 11 2010 23:17 Caek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 22:39 Morfildur wrote:On November 11 2010 22:00 DND_Enkil wrote:On November 11 2010 21:30 Morfildur wrote:
I didn't see the show and i liked your casting at the MLG, but with this post and some of your replies in this thread (yes, i read all 10 pages existing when i started writing this post... including the "Toys'r'us child", "don't want to grow up",... seriously?) you lost a lot of my respect.
In the US it might be normal to party, get drunk, make bad jokes, laugh about blow job jokes, ... but you have an international audience (though thanks to bad american comedy shows - where they even tell you when to laugh - the difference isn't that big anymore sadly).
It is quite normal in Europe aswell, even Germany. I have partied with Germans plenty of time, and they just like everyone else in the world likes to drink, have a good time, make bad jokes and let loose once in a while. If nothing else i would object to the implication that grown ups cant drink, have fun and act childish once in a while. That is just stupid, i am grown up, work, pay my bills, curse over the price of insurance and worry about kids or not. And i still enjoy grabbing some beers, hanging out with my friends and laugh at (possibly) bad jokes. As do my older brother, his friends, my friends, my dad, my granddad, my mom, my gf and every other non-stuck-up person i know. Time and place for everything, a time to be proffesional and a time to relax and give some of youself. I enjoy a drink sometimes, too (although i absolutely hate the smell of beer, it's just horrible... i live 100m away from the famous "Flensburger Brauerei" and there are some days i don't even dare to open the windows) and having fun is ok, though people tend to say my humour is very dry, but what i absolutely hate is people drinking more than just a little and forgetting the good manners. Or even people that have no/only limited good manners even when sober (of which djWheat seems to be one). Ah well, i guess the people asking me if i have some "blue blood" in my veins might be right, i'm just born in the wrong century. Anyways, just do what you want and only think about yourselves, don't even try to improve the world and grow above what you are now. Continue to drink, fight and swear like the uncivilized homo "sapiens" (what a joke -.-) most people often seem to be. Flesh over Mind, just like it should be. (Sorry for being very aggressive, i'm in a very bad mood today. I better stop posting) That homo joke only proves you're not a hair better than the people you criticize, and hypocritical at that.
The Joke was actually the "sapiens", as i don't consider most people to be "wise" at all, but well, i guess i just stick to simpler jokes so people don't actually have to think (after all, thinking might hurt).
Btw, the last century was the 20th, not the 19th... and there were a lot of centuries before that, some of them - very long ago - could even be counted as civilized.
Well, i will stop posting in this thread and make place for all the others that just want to repeat the OP like those on the previous 9 pages. Nay-sayers don't seem to be welcome.
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The most disturbing part about all of this is that people find watching a bunch of nerds getting drunk interesting. Seems to me like people enjoy it because it gives them a chance to live vicariously through your show, which more or less was the ultimate fantasy for a lot of gamers/nerds. To each his own I suppose.
Dismissing the OP's letter as a bunch of crap doesn't seem like the correct approach to me. He made a calm, collective argument and whether you agreed with it or not, it wasn't something you can shoot down claiming it was wrong. You're so worried about the community and audience, but you seem to be neglecting the fact that he was part of that audience as well. The 24 pages of flame buried the fact that he actually liked 98% of your show.
Some people are saying, "well don't tune in if you don't like it." Unfortunately, the majority of us are not mind-readers and cannot predict everything that will happen next. The idea was excellent - providing a glimpse into a post-tournament setting for "professional" players. You can hardly blame anyone for tuning in, but at that point, perhaps you should consider your audience isn't composed entirely of mindless idiots.
Il like your casting and the work you've done, but this is unbelievably close-minded.
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On November 11 2010 23:29 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 23:17 Caek wrote:On November 11 2010 22:39 Morfildur wrote:On November 11 2010 22:00 DND_Enkil wrote:On November 11 2010 21:30 Morfildur wrote:
I didn't see the show and i liked your casting at the MLG, but with this post and some of your replies in this thread (yes, i read all 10 pages existing when i started writing this post... including the "Toys'r'us child", "don't want to grow up",... seriously?) you lost a lot of my respect.
In the US it might be normal to party, get drunk, make bad jokes, laugh about blow job jokes, ... but you have an international audience (though thanks to bad american comedy shows - where they even tell you when to laugh - the difference isn't that big anymore sadly).
It is quite normal in Europe aswell, even Germany. I have partied with Germans plenty of time, and they just like everyone else in the world likes to drink, have a good time, make bad jokes and let loose once in a while. If nothing else i would object to the implication that grown ups cant drink, have fun and act childish once in a while. That is just stupid, i am grown up, work, pay my bills, curse over the price of insurance and worry about kids or not. And i still enjoy grabbing some beers, hanging out with my friends and laugh at (possibly) bad jokes. As do my older brother, his friends, my friends, my dad, my granddad, my mom, my gf and every other non-stuck-up person i know. Time and place for everything, a time to be proffesional and a time to relax and give some of youself. I enjoy a drink sometimes, too (although i absolutely hate the smell of beer, it's just horrible... i live 100m away from the famous "Flensburger Brauerei" and there are some days i don't even dare to open the windows) and having fun is ok, though people tend to say my humour is very dry, but what i absolutely hate is people drinking more than just a little and forgetting the good manners. Or even people that have no/only limited good manners even when sober (of which djWheat seems to be one). Ah well, i guess the people asking me if i have some "blue blood" in my veins might be right, i'm just born in the wrong century. Anyways, just do what you want and only think about yourselves, don't even try to improve the world and grow above what you are now. Continue to drink, fight and swear like the uncivilized homo "sapiens" (what a joke -.-) most people often seem to be. Flesh over Mind, just like it should be. (Sorry for being very aggressive, i'm in a very bad mood today. I better stop posting) That homo joke only proves you're not a hair better than the people you criticize, and hypocritical at that. The Joke was actually the "sapiens", as i don't consider most people to be "wise" at all, but well, i guess i just stick to simpler jokes so people don't actually have to think (after all, thinking might hurt). Btw, the last century was the 20th, not the 19th... and there were a lot of centuries before that, some of them - very long ago - could even be counted as civilized. Well, i will stop posting in this thread and make place for all the others that just want to repeat the OP like those on the previous 9 pages. Nay-sayers don't seem to be welcome.
More or less, he was saying your joke was not only crude, it was horrible. It wasn't wise and I'd be amazed if you could make it "simpler" considering it was pretty much at the bottom of the barrel already.
I doubt DJWheat opened this thread expecting 20 pages of people screaming amen (though it's close). It's good to have discussions about things like this and hopefully he'll take into account that though it's a minority of the current viewership, if e-sports were to grow, this small minority opinion could grow into the majority one even. It's not so much a discussion about the show that already happened as opposed to how things could be presented differently in the future and I am disappointed he seems to have decided against any change whatsoever already.
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On November 11 2010 22:27 Caek wrote:
I really don't get what etiquettes have to do with professionalism in the first place. To me professionalism is about taking your job seriously and doing it to the best of your abilities. Not about being PC.
Wheat casted at a noisy after-party and managed to get really good interviews and and very insightful discussions. His style for the show is using what a lot of people consider "every day English" as opposed to "PC English". He's a very good interviewer and talk show host, asks the right questions and knows how to steer the conversation. I'd say that his style fits his guests best because he doesn't force them to act unnatural. It fits his audience best because they finally get to see a show that isn't painfully out of sync with real life.
While I do think that relying on obscenity to be funny or to carry your argument only proves you're incapable of being funny or insightful. That doesn't automatically mean that everybody that swears or uses vulgar terms can't make a solid case for his opinion, or be funny for that matter.
Failing to see the difference is what I'd call "an attempt of a stubborn mind denying the right of free expression".
As for Slasher acting like an idiot at the end of the show, and his not so articulate reaction in this thread; those actually are effective demonstrations of "attempts of a weak mind to express itself forcibly". (Nothing against you Slasher, but you really didn't help yourself with that post.)
Even with that admission, people are still responsible for their own actions. If you watch, or let your children watch an unrated show that takes place in an informal environment you run the risk of exposure to profanities. Arguing that it's anybody's responsibility other than your own is downright ridiculous and puts you in a victim's mentality.
Did you read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6922224 ?
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On November 11 2010 23:29 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 23:17 Caek wrote:
That homo joke only proves you're not a hair better than the people you criticize, and hypocritical at that.
The Joke was actually the "sapiens", as i don't consider most people to be "wise" at all, but well, i guess i just stick to simpler jokes so people don't actually have to think (after all, thinking might hurt). Btw, the last century was the 20th, not the 19th... and there were a lot of centuries before that, some of them - very long ago - could even be counted as civilized.
Oh I got the joke alright, I just think it's rather insulting. Even if you don't agree with someone's lifestyle it's poor taste to deem them unfit to be called human.
And I can count, thank you very much. I'm a child of the 20th century, and the openness of the 21st century is a continuation of a trend started in the 20th, that's why I took the 19th century as an example. There were indeed a lot of centuries that could be called civilized, but you're romanticizing them, the people lived in squalor and only a lucky few got to enjoy the benefits of "civilization".
Well, i will stop posting in this thread and make place for all the others that just want to repeat the OP like those on the previous 9 pages. Nay-sayers don't seem to be welcome.
Again with the victim mentality, the reason you attract such a negative reaction is because of the inflammatory nature of your posts. For someone who advocates civility you've shown preciously little.
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Wheat, I'm incredibly disappointed, I think you need to offend many, many, many more people. Can you have an entire Lo3 dedicated to talking in the most derogatory fashion about every one of the world religions? I actually think coming from you it would be awesome.
To be "fair" though, make sure you hate on all of them, and hit atheist, agnostics, deists, and people who don't think Sarah Palin is an idiot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions
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So reliefed by reading this, djWHEAT. After reading the thread with the guy giving LO3 a lot of grief because of a few minutes out of a 3 hour long show, I was worried I would never have the oportunity to watch shows like this again.
Which would really make me such a sad panda. Absolutely loved it. There are no words to describe how amazing it is to be able to watch you casters and progamers in a relaxed setting like this. The jokes, the laughter, everything was just fabulous. Parts of it I have probably re-watched 10ish times allready.
Personally I have watched way more vods, replays, streams and interviews than I have played the game. Back in 2002ish it was very hard to find VOD's with anything else than Korean commentators. But even without understanding the language, watching games played by the heroes was awesome.
Compared to how it was back then, how amazing isn't the scene we see today. We are spoiled with live casts all the time. We got the greatest casters working their asses off to provide us with entertainment. Top level players who find time in their busy training and traveling schedual to give us fans what we want, interviews, appearances on shows like SotG, Dailys etc etc. We are so, so spoiled, and yet we keep complainig. It's a pity.
Thank you djWHEAT, day[9] & co for giving us fans an oportunity to watch the MLG Dallas afterparty. Thank you even more for keeping up the good work, planning more shows like this, even though some people give you grief.
Last but not least, thank you progamers for taking the time to let us see you in other settings than when you play. Highly appreciated.
As a big supporter of eSport, I really admire all the work you all put into this, both casters and players.
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