I understand what you are saying, but I think as SC2 gets bigger and bigger it is worthwhile having these sorts of conversations. Although I'm basically behind wheat in this case, I definitely think it's a good thing for the community to be able to air all their various opinions and give solid reasons for them and people like wheat to be able to read them and get a feel for where everyone is coming from. Thousand roses bloom or whatever that quote is. All good.

Headshot

United States1656 Posts

November 11 2010 04:47 GMT

#163

Keep it up, guys! Personally, I really appreciate everything you guys have been doing for the scene.

Deyster

Jordan579 Posts

November 11 2010 04:54 GMT

#164

I didn't watch it and I honestly don't care what the material was. It's FREE content, FREE entertainment and FREE access to an event you wouldn't have heard about other than in someone's blog.
Regardless of the content, people should be thankful for the content, specially that it was honest view of what the after party was and how it actually went.

I like you DJWheat. Keep up the great work!

Wargizmo

1237 Posts

November 11 2010 05:19 GMT

#165

DJ Wheat you're awesome... casting at MLG was great all weekend. I only caught 15 minutes of the Lo3 before realising it wasn't really my thing, but I don't see why any spectators would have a problem with that kind of thing, you don't like it just turn it off - complaining is just stupid.

Only thing I would say is that the players privacy should be respected, like Day9 was saying on the podcast about having cameras shoved in his face when he was trying to eat and then people accusing him of being drunk etc... that's not cool. Players should always be given the option whether they want to participate or not.

Dox

Australia1199 Posts

November 11 2010 05:19 GMT

#166

The OP mirrors my sentiments akin to the Zenio v IdrA / Rainbow v Genius "ceremony" discussions. So many idiots kicked up a storm about how these players "make the game look unprofessional" and how they should be straight arrows with no personalities. What do these people want? A monotonous discovery channel documentary?

Usurper

Macedonia283 Posts

November 11 2010 05:21 GMT

#167

djWHEAT you are one of my favorite casters @ tournaments to be honest, just because you emit fun and tranquility. I don't want to name my problems with the other casters here, but i really fucking LOVE how you position yourself in midst of games. Also your snappy humor is second to NONE.

I/We am/are honored to have you in the community. Cheers.

Daray

6006 Posts

November 11 2010 05:44 GMT

#168

wheat you're the man!
I remember i watched you cast CPMA like a million years ago when rat was pwning noobs with 200 ping... good times

Groceryheist

United States57 Posts

November 11 2010 05:50 GMT

#169

djWHEAT, you just proved yourself to me. Not that anyone cares what I have to say, but I've been involved (sometimes loosely, I'm a very active student) with BW and SC2 for some years. In all that time there has been this tension in the community between appeal to middle America and nerds like us. Every so often someone makes a thread about how gamers and casters shouldn't swear or how Idra BM hurts the game. I am sympathetic to the cause of esports and want to see it go mainstream, however, I completely agree with you Wheat. Jazz lived outside mainstream popular culture for many decades because Black musicians were forced to stick to their own community. But they focused on that community and developed the art form.

This is a loose metaphor indeed, but the point is that it is ok for esports to focus mainly on its own community. Mainly because the ESPNs, and NBCs of the world won't understand or care about esports. We need to wait 10-15 years for our generation to have influence over entertainment and for those following us who have grown up with esports who will love to watch the games. It's a little like early baseball.

dredd276

United States80 Posts

November 11 2010 06:20 GMT

#170

Amen

VonLego

United States519 Posts

November 11 2010 06:27 GMT

#171

Personally it's the viewer's decision. If they don't like the talk of blow jobs or conversations with porn stars -- Don't tune in! Like you said, there is plenty of other material on the internet and you can do as you please as it has clearly worked for you.

That being said, unfortunately I'm probably one of those guys who won't want to watch your shows based on the former. There isn't anything wrong with that, you just look to please a different crowd.

AmaZing

Nepal299 Posts

November 11 2010 06:29 GMT

#172

I think this post deserves a FUCK YEAH!!!!! but i don't just wanna post that and get a warning.
it was an amazing post game show. Thank you for doing it wheat, it truly shows pro gamers also like to chill the fuck out. After a tough tournament like that i'd be more drunk than anybody there. Pro gamers are just like you and me.. although i heard Machine is a Cyborg

Slasher

United States1095 Posts

November 11 2010 06:37 GMT

#173

Alright so, I didn't notice the original thread regarding this whole issue, and have just finished reading it. To add to my previous respons:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

24 fucking pages over me making a blowjob joke regarding the people in the room chanting "JP" over and over? Which by the way, is completely unrelated to anything said about the female, Kate, who also by the way, is a good buddy and resident troll of World of Ming. All of this happening within a 2 minute span of the 3 hour cast, seriously? Really, seriously?

tl;dr - Send more traffic:

Part 1: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10714898
Part 2: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10715149

blizzind

United States642 Posts

November 11 2010 06:50 GMT

#174

apparently there's a bunch of mormons on TL that can't hear curse words

Bear4188

United States1797 Posts

November 11 2010 06:51 GMT

#175

Glad I caught this blog, don't ever change, wheat.

As to the professionalism: I'd like to compare my favorite e-sport to my favorite sport, college football. College football is a billion dollar industry with hundreds of millions of fans, yet there's still a very casual atmosphere around it. Listen to any of the hundreds of radio shows about it and you'll catch all sorts of crude humor, overreaction, and just people screaming about everything. Yet you can turn on the live broadcast of a game and you'll get a couple old players in suit and tie calmy calling the game, occasionally cracking PG13 jokes, and being entirely "professional." Point is that sports don't need to be professional all the time to attract sponsors, they need to be professional during the main events when everyone is watching AND they need to let loose in the off time when only the hardcore community--which ultimately drives demand--is tuning in.

Thurokiir

United States779 Posts

November 11 2010 07:11 GMT

#176

You sir are a hyper baller, thank you for taking the stand for this two sided coin that is best for any up and coming entertainment niche.

kmkg

Japan186 Posts

November 11 2010 07:22 GMT

#177

Wheat is the real thing. He earned my respect when he took on Angel and the CPL back when he was styles519. Clan Knightmare got banned around that time for making public and openly discussing a leaked e-mail by Angel.

Mylkal

United States47 Posts

November 11 2010 07:28 GMT

#178

I watched the show at Dallas and I'd just like to say that Wheat and Day9 did a great job casting. I didn't catch the Lo3 (haven't actually heard of it before this, but it's playing right now and I'm listening) and its great to see the people that the Sc2 community is known for being...people. I feel like professionalism is necessary when required, but something like the Lo3 show in question the casual mood is what makes/made it great. I'm glad it was shown that way.

As for language? Everyone is different, and unfortunately when you're on a public forum/place (internet), you're going to be exposed to things that might offend your/people's sensibilities. You're going to have to adjust to the general communities sense of what is proper and what isn't. Its life.

Cloud92684

United States236 Posts

November 11 2010 08:56 GMT

#179

I really enjoyed the show, to hell with professionalism, I think it's awesome to see people enjoying themselves and I would love to see something like this after every MLG. It was more of a sneak peek at seeing these players cut loose and enjoy hanging out which is a nice change from the seriousness of the tournaments. Keep doing what you're doing Wheat, if these naysayers don't want to watch they aren't forced to.